DUST Search - So, I just looked at the Ion Pistol operation skill

Aisha Ctarl wrote:

Spectral Clone wrote:

Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:

Spectral Clone wrote:

What I mean is that it is a sidearm that functions like the scrambler rifle.

Single shot charge or semi auto fire.

Cat Merc seems to think you have to charge this weapon and overheat with every shot, that is not right.

It is right.

After any charged shot, the IP will overheat. Straight away. That's a gigantic difference from the SCR, where the key to victory is often the follow-up volley.

Have you tried this weapon or? Because it has a lot less heat generated per second than the SCR.

"By overriding internal temperature controls, the weapon can be overcharged to produce a focused, bulk discharge of sufficient lethality to instantly neutralize most soft targets. Caution is advised however, as each overcharged shot will shut down internal systems until the excess heat can be flushed from the weaponGÇÖs core."

Says nothing about the weapon itself shutting down, only about the "internal systems" which is kind of vague.

Dude that description right there is pretty black and white.

Caution is advised however, as each overcharged shot will shut down internal systems until the excess heat can be flushed from the weaponGÇÖs core."

It is going to overheat after each charged shot and will probably have an animation of it venting the heat from its cyclotron.

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Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 7541	Posted - 2014.03.19 16:31:00 - [1] - Quote http://www.stuff514.com/sde/type/366600 inb4 Ion Pistol has massive kick Sidenote: It's funny how Proto Scrambler Pistols got around a 40% nerf to ROF and they still outperform the Ion Pistol. That's just sad. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. DUST514514
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1737	Posted - 2014.03.19 16:37:00 - [2] - Quote It will be a great surprise-ganker. And a decent finisher weapon. I will try it out for sure. Mostly because it looks like a hair dryer of doom. Drop it like its hat.
ResistanceGTA D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 588	Posted - 2014.03.19 16:39:00 - [3] - Quote What are the other operational bonuses, if I can ask? I'd look myself, but I'm at work.. Shouldn't be on these forums. None of you should tell. xSivartx is my Heavy. There are many like him, but he is my own... So, other Logi's back off, those are my Warpoints!
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 7542	Posted - 2014.03.19 16:42:00 - [4] - Quote ResistanceGTA wrote: What are the other operational bonuses, if I can ask? I'd look myself, but I'm at work.. Shouldn't be on these forums. None of you should tell. 5% kick reduction per level Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. DUST514514
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 7542	Posted - 2014.03.19 16:43:00 - [5] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: It will be a great surprise-ganker. And a decent finisher weapon. I will try it out for sure. Mostly because it looks like a hair dryer of doom. Edit: Both charge time reduction and kick reduction? Damn that STD pistol could be useful on my scout! Good luck finishing anything with 1.4 charge up time. Oh and there's a long seize after that. Oh and the charge does around 350 damage, not enough to kill anything other than scouts without any modules on. Oh and the Ion Pistol has a shield bonus, so it will be difficult to "finish" anything considering armor is the last line of defense. Need I say more? Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. DUST514514
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1737	Posted - 2014.03.19 16:50:00 - [6] - Quote Its like a Scrambler Rifle.. Semi auto and charge shot. Charge shot to the enemies head when you get the jump on them. The AR was a great weapon with the damage profile it has, before it got shafted.. Lets wait and see... The Scrambler pistol now has lower RoF than IP. Drop it like its hat.
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2753	Posted - 2014.03.19 16:51:00 - [7] - Quote Yeah, not sure if that's a place holder bonus till they can figure out a proper one... Either way, it's not looking good for free dim and green things. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 3321	Posted - 2014.03.19 16:58:00 - [8] - Quote Is it kick or charge time? That data is confusing. See the proficiency skill for comparison. Adapt or Die // Republic Lance Commander // @ReesNoturana
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 7546	Posted - 2014.03.19 17:22:00 - [9] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: Its like a Scrambler Rifle.. Semi auto and charge shot. Charge shot to the enemies head when you get the jump on them. The AR was a great weapon with the damage profile it has, before it got shafted.. Lets wait and see... The Scrambler pistol now has lower RoF than IP. The difference is that the Ion Pistol: 1. Overheats after a charged shot 2. Has the lowest damage out of ANY pistol or SMG Also, it's a rumor (Comes from CPM but it's a "not sure" thing), but the Ion Pistol can't hold a charge. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. DUST514514
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 2131	Posted - 2014.03.19 17:24:00 - [10] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: Its like a Scrambler Rifle.. Semi auto and charge shot. Charge shot to the enemies head when you get the jump on them. The AR was a great weapon with the damage profile it has, before it got shafted.. Lets wait and see... The Scrambler pistol now has lower RoF than IP. If it's like the SCR why does it have the lowest DPS in the sidearm/pistol line. For the Federation!

DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12331	Posted - 2014.03.19 17:30:00 - [11] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: Its like a Scrambler Rifle.. Semi auto and charge shot. Charge shot to the enemies head when you get the jump on them. The AR was a great weapon with the damage profile it has, before it got shafted.. Lets wait and see... The Scrambler pistol now has lower RoF than IP. If it's like the SCR why does it have the lowest DPS in the sidearm/pistol line. Probably has something to do with the huge bonus damage from headshots Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 2131	Posted - 2014.03.19 17:34:00 - [12] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: Its like a Scrambler Rifle.. Semi auto and charge shot. Charge shot to the enemies head when you get the jump on them. The AR was a great weapon with the damage profile it has, before it got shafted.. Lets wait and see... The Scrambler pistol now has lower RoF than IP. If it's like the SCR why does it have the lowest DPS in the sidearm/pistol line. Probably has something to do with the huge bonus damage from headshots It doesn't have one it has had a regular multiplier. For the Federation!
shadow drake35 The Third Day Galactic Skyfleet Empire 77	Posted - 2014.03.19 17:49:00 - [13] - Quote i am tired of hearing you whine about the ion pistol it is not out yet it may be better than you think so quit MAG Raven, Valor, and S.V.E.R. Veteran
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 7552	Posted - 2014.03.19 17:51:00 - [14] - Quote shadow drake35 wrote: i am tired of hearing you whine about the ion pistol it is not out yet it may be better than you think so quit I am tired of hearing everyone whine about the Amarr scout, it may be better than you think so quit. We can see it's broken, no way around that. You don't like it go punch yourself until you realize it's broken. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. DUST514514
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1742	Posted - 2014.03.19 19:00:00 - [15] - Quote What I mean is that it is a sidearm that functions like the scrambler rifle. Single shot charge or semi auto fire. Cat Merc seems to think you have to charge this weapon and overheat with every shot, that is not right. Drop it like its hat.
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1743	Posted - 2014.03.19 19:10:00 - [16] - Quote Okay some facts from the SDE (http://www.stuff514.com/sde/type/365573) coolDownTimeIfOverheated3.5 heatCostPerSecond5.0 overheatIntensity2.0 feedbackDamage0.0 maximumHeat100.0 If you compare this with the scrambler rifle (semi auto) stats (http://www.stuff514.com/sde/type/355697): coolDownTimeIfOverheated5.0 heatCostPerSecond60.0 overheatIntensity2.0 heatCostPerSecond5.0 overheatIntensity2.0 It has the similar heat characteristics, but it has a lot lower heat cost per second. Will it overheat in one shot? Dont know. CCP has to answer that. One theory: The reduce charge skill will actually reduce overheat too, since you will charge up the pistol faster. Hence less heat per second is summed up. Drop it like its hat.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 11451	Posted - 2014.03.19 19:10:00 - [17] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: What I mean is that it is a sidearm that functions like the scrambler rifle. Single shot charge or semi auto fire. Cat Merc seems to think you have to charge this weapon and overheat with every shot, that is not right. It is right. After any charged shot, the IP will overheat. Straight away. That's a gigantic difference from the SCR, where the key to victory is often the follow-up volley. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1743	Posted - 2014.03.19 19:13:00 - [18] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: What I mean is that it is a sidearm that functions like the scrambler rifle. Single shot charge or semi auto fire. Cat Merc seems to think you have to charge this weapon and overheat with every shot, that is not right. It is right. After any charged shot, the IP will overheat. Straight away. That's a gigantic difference from the SCR, where the key to victory is often the follow-up volley. Have you tried this weapon or? Because it has a lot less heat generated per second than the SCR. "By overriding internal temperature controls, the weapon can be overcharged to produce a focused, bulk discharge of sufficient lethality to instantly neutralize most soft targets. Caution is advised however, as each overcharged shot will shut down internal systems until the excess heat can be flushed from the weaponGÇÖs core." Says nothing about the weapon itself shutting down, only about the "internal systems" which is kind of vague. Drop it like its hat.
Aisha Ctarl Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 4037	Posted - 2014.03.19 19:23:00 - [19] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: What I mean is that it is a sidearm that functions like the scrambler rifle. Single shot charge or semi auto fire. Cat Merc seems to think you have to charge this weapon and overheat with every shot, that is not right. It is right. After any charged shot, the IP will overheat. Straight away. That's a gigantic difference from the SCR, where the key to victory is often the follow-up volley. Have you tried this weapon or? Because it has a lot less heat generated per second than the SCR. "By overriding internal temperature controls, the weapon can be overcharged to produce a focused, bulk discharge of sufficient lethality to instantly neutralize most soft targets. Caution is advised however, as each overcharged shot will shut down internal systems until the excess heat can be flushed from the weaponGÇÖs core." Says nothing about the weapon itself shutting down, only about the "internal systems" which is kind of vague. Dude that description right there is pretty black and white. Caution is advised however, as each overcharged shot will shut down internal systems until the excess heat can be flushed from the weaponGÇÖs core." It is going to overheat after each charged shot and will probably have an animation of it venting the heat from its cyclotron. I could list the ways how we Amarr are better than you, but your lesser mind wouldn't comprehend it.
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1745	Posted - 2014.03.19 19:27:00 - [20] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: What I mean is that it is a sidearm that functions like the scrambler rifle. Single shot charge or semi auto fire. Cat Merc seems to think you have to charge this weapon and overheat with every shot, that is not right. It is right. After any charged shot, the IP will overheat. Straight away. That's a gigantic difference from the SCR, where the key to victory is often the follow-up volley. Have you tried this weapon or? Because it has a lot less heat generated per second than the SCR. "By overriding internal temperature controls, the weapon can be overcharged to produce a focused, bulk discharge of sufficient lethality to instantly neutralize most soft targets. Caution is advised however, as each overcharged shot will shut down internal systems until the excess heat can be flushed from the weaponGÇÖs core." Says nothing about the weapon itself shutting down, only about the "internal systems" which is kind of vague. Dude that description right there is pretty black and white. Caution is advised however, as each overcharged shot will shut down internal systems until the excess heat can be flushed from the weaponGÇÖs core." It is going to overheat after each charged shot and will probably have an animation of it venting the heat from its cyclotron. But you can charge for different amount of time right? The weapon starts to charge when you press the mouse. With your logic each shot overheat the pistol. There has to be something more to it. Can this weapon even store the charge shot, or is it more like a plasma cannon? I think it will be like a plasma cannon. Drop it like its hat.

Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 2255	Posted - 2014.03.19 19:42:00 - [21] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: What I mean is that it is a sidearm that functions like the scrambler rifle. Single shot charge or semi auto fire. Cat Merc seems to think you have to charge this weapon and overheat with every shot, that is not right. It is right. After any charged shot, the IP will overheat. Straight away. That's a gigantic difference from the SCR, where the key to victory is often the follow-up volley. Have you tried this weapon or? Because it has a lot less heat generated per second than the SCR. "By overriding internal temperature controls, the weapon can be overcharged to produce a focused, bulk discharge of sufficient lethality to instantly neutralize most soft targets. Caution is advised however, as each overcharged shot will shut down internal systems until the excess heat can be flushed from the weaponGÇÖs core." Says nothing about the weapon itself shutting down, only about the "internal systems" which is kind of vague. Dude that description right there is pretty black and white. Caution is advised however, as each overcharged shot will shut down internal systems until the excess heat can be flushed from the weaponGÇÖs core." It is going to overheat after each charged shot and will probably have an animation of it venting the heat from its cyclotron. Looking at all the attributes on the SDE it looks nearly identical to the scrambler rifle except in heat cost per second.
Vapor Forseti THE-TITANS 191	Posted - 2014.03.19 19:57:00 - [22] - Quote Ion Pistol is going to have a Sharpshooter skill. Hmmm. http://www.stuff514.com/sde/type/366596 >CCP Saberwing: "NERF EVERYTHING!!!" *THE-TITANS* Director
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 13563	Posted - 2014.03.19 20:43:00 - [23] - Quote What's this burst fire 5 shot thing doing on a single shot weapon? CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1747	Posted - 2014.03.19 20:57:00 - [24] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: What's this burst fire 5 shot thing doing on a single shot weapon? I thought it was that the big shot is being fired as 5 small bursted shots, but dont know.. Do you know how the overheat works on this gun IWS? Or could you ask CCP for a clarification? Drop it like its hat.
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 289	Posted - 2014.03.19 20:59:00 - [25] - Quote that charged shot is going to be OP as **** I've spent most of my waking life playing video games. Don't think your SP being higher than my 17M makes you better >:)
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 11465	Posted - 2014.03.19 21:02:00 - [26] - Quote bamboo x wrote: that charged shot is going to be OP as **** Do you seriously think that? You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 4705	Posted - 2014.03.19 21:04:00 - [27] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: But you can charge for different amount of time right? The weapon starts to charge when you press the mouse/fire button. With your logic each shot overheat the pistol. There has to be something more to it. Can this weapon even store the charge shot, or is it more like a plasma cannon? I think it will be like a plasma cannon. If you charge it fully and do not release the button, it will overheat perhaps? If you release the trigger before that time, it doesnt overheat and shut down internal systems? Perhaps it doesnt fire a big shot either (like if you release the trigger on plasma cannon or forge gun before it fires). Hence, it is probably like a scrambler pistol, with better damage profile -10% armor +10% shield, lower damage per shot, higher ROF. With a small perk to overheat it to fire a big shot (similar to the plasma cannon), risk v reward style. That means, you will probably be able to shoot regular shots and then overheat to finish off the target with the big shot. Over heating and shutting down internal functions is the same exact thing: you won't be able to shoot after a charged shot. Also we don't know wether you can charge for different sets of time. Taco Cat backwards is still Taco Cat
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 13563	Posted - 2014.03.19 21:10:00 - [28] - Quote based on the sde partial charge shots wont work; and you cannot overheat the pistol under normal firing circumstances. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1752	Posted - 2014.03.20 07:22:00 - [29] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: based on the sde partial charge shots wont work; and you cannot overheat the pistol under normal firing circumstances. Exactly like I thought. There will be a "plasma cannon like" shot, which can be held. And the pistol overheats immidiately when you release it? The important question is: Does it overheat like the ScR or the Officer AR? You can switch weapons if the officer AR overheats right? If its not possible to switch weapons after overheat, the charge shot will be a finishing shot. Dont know how good the weapon will be in that case, perhaps it will just be useable as a silly looking hair dryer? Drop it like its hat.
Vell0cet SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1159	Posted - 2014.03.20 09:22:00 - [30] - Quote This thing appears weak on paper. I'll wait to see it in action before making a final verdict, but I think it's very likely in need of a buff. The charge mechanic seems very odd with the long charge up, followed by a guaranteed overheat. I've still yet to hear of when that's going to be useful: can't open with it, because you'll be killed while you're overheating like an idiot, and you can't close with it because you're not going to stop and charge mid-fight. Maybe if you're in-and-out of cover and you've got him down to his last bits of health and are both ducking in cover for shields to regen, you could theoretically charge it up then, pop out and blap them. If it can't hold a charge though, it's going to be pretty useless. CPM did you talk to CCP about this gun beforehand? Is there a logic to when the charge mechanic is advantageous that we're all overlooking? I assume you voiced the same concerns that seem obvious enough to everyone else right? It's just so weird. Best PvE idea ever!



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