DUST Search - Quick question on equipment bonuses from suits

SirManBoy wrote:

I feel like I am repeating myself, but I just don't understand the sense in the bonuses for deployed equipment going away after a suit change. I repeat, I am referring to DEPLOYED EQUIPMENT (uplinks and nanohives) only, not scanners and rep tools. I would never expect to keep my Minmatar rep tool bonus or Gallente scanner bonus while in another suit.

Having the bonuses remain active for deployed equipment seems like such a meager concession considering that:

1. It takes millions and millions of SP to fully spec into all of the logi suits and all of the desired equipment.
2. The deployed equipment is now extremely easy to destroy because its HP has been significantly decreased.
3. The dropsuit command respecs caused a lot of former slayer logis to move into other classes leaving behind true support players whose very support capabilities have been diluted by the new suit changes.
4. No one suit can do it all anymore and therefore only the most dedicated members of the class are willing to invest their skill points in all of the logi suits and play in such a way that would allow them to get the most out of all of the equipment bonuses.

I feel like this functionality is such a simple and fair nod to the logi community that it's almost unimaginable that anyone would actively resist its implementation.

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lee corwood Knights Of Ender Galactic Skyfleet Empire 629	Posted - 2014.03.19 16:29:00 - [1] - Quote So I've read up a lot of the effects that are changing for logis and our EQ bonuses but I feel I'm assuming something that I would like a clear answer on. If I have a Proto Amarr Logi with uplinks and lay down those uplinks, while wearing the suit the uplinks get the spawn bonus time. If I were then to go change into a Min Logi for the bonus reps, do my uplinks still retain the bonus from the suit at the time that I laid them? Minmatar Logisis \| Heavy lover. Come get some badass Band-Aids from this chick
Dustbunny Durrr ReD or DeaD 161	Posted - 2014.03.19 23:42:00 - [2] - Quote Its a valid question, but it's already been asked here.
lee corwood Knights Of Ender Galactic Skyfleet Empire 630	Posted - 2014.03.20 01:23:00 - [3] - Quote Yep and I'm afraid its been buried. I'd like an answer before I waste over 4 mil sp.... Minmatar Logisis \| Heavy lover. Come get some badass Band-Aids from this chick
lee corwood Knights Of Ender Galactic Skyfleet Empire 677	Posted - 2014.03.29 18:19:00 - [4] - Quote Bumping this back up. A bunch of guys and I are testing and I know there are many bugs that exist, but we can't make heads or tails of what's happening and why uplinks are starting at higher numbers but then all count down to lower numbers regardless of the suit we are wearing, the suit we dropped them in, or how many times we died since the drop and in what suit. Please clarify how the equipment bonuses for logis was supposed to work. Minmatar Logisis \| Heavy lover. Come get some badass Band-Aids from this chick
Ar Lan Knights Of Ender Galactic Skyfleet Empire 34	Posted - 2014.03.29 18:30:00 - [5] - Quote We do need and answer and fix for this. +1 Go ahead and snipe me. I'm gonna add another Thale's to my collection.
Dingleburt Bangledack Knights Of Ender Galactic Skyfleet Empire 94	Posted - 2014.03.29 18:52:00 - [6] - Quote My only guess why the uplinks start at higher spawn times then go down is that they too are suffering from the bugged bonuses running rampant. That is to say, many bonuses (mainly suit bonuses, I believe) are not being applied until a few seconds to a few minutes after you spawn. This means that the uplink bonus on an amarr logi is not being applied when you first deploy uplinks and thus they start at a higher spawn time. Then after the bonus sorts itself out, the spawn times on the uplinks you deployed go down to what they should be. This would also lead me to believe that the bonus remains on your deployed equipment after switching suits, assuming you switched during the time it took for the uplink bonus to apply itself. This, of course, is just a drunken theory. I might just be overthinking things... CCP NEEDS to clarify and fix the bonus bugs before we can ever know for sure.
lee corwood Knights Of Ender Galactic Skyfleet Empire 678	Posted - 2014.03.29 19:01:00 - [7] - Quote I want to agree with you Dingle and I have video of the countdown happening. I'm not saying the spawn is 7 at the beginning of the match and then 3 later down the match. I mean when I die and look at the map, it says 7 and as I zoom in to see it closer I'm watching it literally count down from 7 to 3 in real time. Its freakin weird... Minmatar Logisis \| Heavy lover. Come get some badass Band-Aids from this chick
lee corwood Knights Of Ender Galactic Skyfleet Empire 680	Posted - 2014.03.29 19:23:00 - [8] - Quote Video. All from the same match, each new set after a death and I used the same suit every single time. BPO Dragonfly Scout. http://youtu.be/xQwT-jxihns Minmatar Logisis \| Heavy lover. Come get some badass Band-Aids from this chick
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2536	Posted - 2014.03.29 19:49:00 - [9] - Quote From the other thread. Maybe if we have enough threads someone will actually answer us. You can't test something to see if it's bugged if nobody tells you how it's intended to work! John Demonsbane wrote: It's hard to tell, because it seems like the tacnet is not actually displaying the correct spawn times either. It may say 11 sec but it spawns in 3, etc. What would make sense to me is that the spawn time and counter would be static values that are determined by the suit worn when it is deployed. Same with nano hives and the # of clusters. This would be the only logical way to do it for 2 reasons: 1) The item constantly pinging the suit you are wearing to dynamically determine its attributes is 100% guaranteed to cause even worse lag that the old equipment bug did. 2) For the item to revert to default values every time you switch suits or die renders the bonus virtually worthless. This would be a massive nerf to the amarr and cal logis. Seriously, can a dev clarify? It's really hard to test if you don't even know the parameters you are supposed to be testing! "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
lee corwood Knights Of Ender Galactic Skyfleet Empire 681	Posted - 2014.03.29 22:47:00 - [10] - Quote bump for answer Minmatar Logisis \| Heavy lover. Come get some badass Band-Aids from this chick

lee corwood Knights Of Ender Galactic Skyfleet Empire 683	Posted - 2014.03.30 05:11:00 - [11] - Quote bump Minmatar Logisis \| Heavy lover. Come get some badass Band-Aids from this chick
Minmatar Mercenary 9292 Science For Death 465	Posted - 2014.03.30 05:41:00 - [12] - Quote I specced amarr logi just so i could drop uplinks then respawn/swap to heavy, i know that the bonus's dont apply till after the first minute but i can confirm that if you come back with another suit the uplinks lose their bonus, i seriously hope this isn't intended. Da only good Amarr is a ded Amarr, an de ony fing betta than a ded one, is a dyin one who tells ya were 'is mates is!
lee corwood Knights Of Ender Galactic Skyfleet Empire 683	Posted - 2014.03.30 14:24:00 - [13] - Quote bump Minmatar Logisis \| Heavy lover. Come get some badass Band-Aids from this chick
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2549	Posted - 2014.03.31 17:58:00 - [14] - Quote Bump. Seriously devs, how is this supposed to work? We can't test it if we dont know what we are testing! "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
lee corwood Knights Of Ender Galactic Skyfleet Empire 684	Posted - 2014.04.01 03:21:00 - [15] - Quote bump for answer! Minmatar Logisis \| Heavy lover. Come get some badass Band-Aids from this chick
lee corwood Knights Of Ender Galactic Skyfleet Empire 684	Posted - 2014.04.01 05:04:00 - [16] - Quote bump Minmatar Logisis \| Heavy lover. Come get some badass Band-Aids from this chick
lee corwood Knights Of Ender Galactic Skyfleet Empire 684	Posted - 2014.04.01 14:40:00 - [17] - Quote bump Minmatar Logisis \| Heavy lover. Come get some badass Band-Aids from this chick
lee corwood Knights Of Ender Galactic Skyfleet Empire 684	Posted - 2014.04.01 18:54:00 - [18] - Quote BUMP Minmatar Logisis \| Heavy lover. Ping for video services.
Dingleburt Bangledack Knights Of Ender Galactic Skyfleet Empire 101	Posted - 2014.04.01 23:51:00 - [19] - Quote Just linked this thread to the Council's Chambers forum. If the question won't be answered here, maybe someone will at least respond there. Personally, I'm not holding my breath.
lee corwood Knights Of Ender Galactic Skyfleet Empire 685	Posted - 2014.04.02 05:59:00 - [20] - Quote bump! Minmatar Logisis \| Heavy lover. Ping for video services.

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lee corwood Knights Of Ender Galactic Skyfleet Empire 689	Posted - 2014.04.02 19:34:00 - [22] - Quote won't quit. bump Minmatar Logisis \| Heavy lover. Ping for video services.
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 1259	Posted - 2014.04.02 19:53:00 - [23] - Quote If you spend some time bleeding out rather than choosing an uplink and spawning immediately after death, the respawn timer on uplinks tends to decrease down to 3 seconds no matter what uplink type is available. This happened in previous builds and is still happening in 1.8.
SirManBoy Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 476	Posted - 2014.04.02 23:00:00 - [24] - Quote I am also concerned with this issue and have a rather large thread about it that some of you might want to visit and contribute to. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2013557#post2013557 My position is best summarized by simply quoting my last post from the thread: SirManBoy wrote: I feel like I am repeating myself, but I just don't understand the sense in the bonuses for deployed equipment going away after a suit change. I repeat, I am referring to DEPLOYED EQUIPMENT (uplinks and nanohives) only, not scanners and rep tools. I would never expect to keep my Minmatar rep tool bonus or Gallente scanner bonus while in another suit. Having the bonuses remain active for deployed equipment seems like such a meager concession considering that: 1. It takes millions and millions of SP to fully spec into all of the logi suits and all of the desired equipment. 2. The deployed equipment is now extremely easy to destroy because its HP has been significantly decreased. 3. The dropsuit command respecs caused a lot of former slayer logis to move into other classes leaving behind true support players whose very support capabilities have been diluted by the new suit changes. 4. No one suit can do it all anymore and therefore only the most dedicated members of the class are willing to invest their skill points in all of the logi suits and play in such a way that would allow them to get the most out of all of the equipment bonuses. I feel like this functionality is such a simple and fair nod to the logi community that it's almost unimaginable that anyone would actively resist its implementation.
lee corwood Knights Of Ender Galactic Skyfleet Empire 691	Posted - 2014.04.03 13:52:00 - [25] - Quote bump Minmatar Logisis \| Heavy lover. Ping for video services.
lee corwood Knights Of Ender Galactic Skyfleet Empire 693	Posted - 2014.04.03 16:25:00 - [26] - Quote moving thread here as I feel it is in the wrong thread right now: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2019080#post2019080 Minmatar Logisis \| Heavy lover. Ping for video services.


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