I just can't wait to be passively scanning overconfident Gal scouts.

Get ready for a lot of Gallente scout hate on this board after 1.8

I'd go Amarr just to avoid the hate(bashing gold suits on this forum is not tolerated)

But I'm sticking Gallente to induce said hate.

I'm just happy the cloak is only a rank 3 skill. That means I'll have enough SP to train cloaking to 5, pick up an advanced Minmatar Sentinel with advanced HMG to test out and finish off all the profile skills to 5 that I've been putting off.

I'll be running a 19 dB Minmatar Scout on March 25th.

I'm still really on the fence. The Minnie scout is awesome, but I don't use NKs, so that's a no-go for me. The way I see it:

Caldari: Potentially able to scan anything (except Gal scouts with 2+ complex damps)
Gallente: Radar invisibility to everything + "extra" low slot + built-in passive armor reps
Minmatar: Even more Minja-tastic than before!
Amarr: Usain Bolt.

As of this reply, I am evenly split between wanting the Gallente and Amarr suits; I decided the Caldari's bonuses weren't good enough for me, and this is totally the fault of the 20% complex enhancer bonus versus the 25% complex damp bonus. This disparity means the Caldari scout's specialty (scanning) is by far outstripped by the Gallente's (radar invisibility).

If you wanna anti-scout go, Caldari. Great for hunting down scouts and providing intel to squad mates without tipping off the enemy.

If you wanna not be anti-scouted, go Gallente. The only scout that will be able to do its job and not be hindered by the Caldari scout. Great for providing counter intel and getting way into the enemy's backlines.

You wanna hack and stab at high speed, Minmatar. They might know your there, but it won't matter because you've already hacked the point and ran off at over 10mps(after driving a knife into the guy guarding the point. Great for chaos scout.

You wanna run forever, Amarr. People are calling this the light assault scout, but I think it will surprise people and be quite good.

If you are talking scout vs. scout that are completely 'signal-fit' though, you still have to look at tank and fitting weapons. I'm not sure what room for tank is left on a gal scout stacking damps or a cal scout stacking precision mods. They are both probably very close to being taken out by a single grenade.

If you are talking scout vs. scout that are completely 'signal-fit' though, you still have to look at tank and fitting weapons. I'm not sure what room for tank is left on a gal scout stacking damps or a cal scout stacking precision mods. They are both probably very close to being taken out by a single grenade.

Actually, I believe the math is more like this for the Gallente Scout:

>The default suit profile of scouts is 35

>At level 5, Gallente Scouts receive a 25% reduction to suit profile.

>Level 5 dampening offers a 10% reduction to suit profile.

>With one complex dampener or cloak (of any tier) offers another 25% reduction, but the cloak bonus only applies when activated.

>You could combine the cloak and dampener to be invisible to scanners 24/7!

>>>Up to this point, there are no stacking penalties, as no MODULES above the value of 1 have been used (there is no penalty when skills, equipment, and modules are involved, unless you're using more than one of that module. If that's the case, the penalty only effects the module, nothing else)!

So, a suit profile of 35 is reduced by 60%, or multiplied by 0.40, which equates to 14. Well bellow the 1.8 precision stats of the Duvolle focused scanner, which is 20 and can be brought down to 15 through the Gallente Logistics skill bonus.

With the cloak, the bonus is extended to 5.25 for suit profile (35*0.15, a 85% reduction).

This allows scouts to be far more versatile without sacrificing what little they have to dampeners, which is amazing.

Well, I'll be d@mned!

My last numbers followed the "no stacking penalties" model, but I switched it up after hearing from other players that these mods do receive stacking penalties, and after seeing them applied in a fitting utility (though TBH, I don't know about the legitimacy/accuracy of that tool).

Your explanation (at the >>>, and the 85% reduction) is a little unclear to me. I am pretty sure that the bonuses are applied consecutively (ie, base * b1 * b2 *...bn), not cumulatively (ie, base * (b1 + b2 +...bn)). Either way, my main point is: GALLENTE SCOUT (and possibly Amarr) FTW!!!!!!

Also, cloaks are only active for a limited time, require a cool down, and you can only equip one, so you can't run them 24/7!

To be honest, I'm not sure anyone knows how anything is properly calculated (including me). The way you showed (and others) seems overly complicated and unnecessary math for CCP to implement into a game. The simpler it is, the more sense it makes to me, rather than having strings of decimals to calculate. When coding, it makes more sense to have solid simple numbers.