DUST Search - AV in 1.8 has been buffed

Bones McGavins wrote:

So, I, like many others freaked out about the AV nerf in 1.8. Prof and damage mod changes hurt AV a lot, more so than most other guns. Everyone stacks damage and any respectable forger has at least prof 3.

But the two things that help swing balance back to AV are the WP for damage addition and also the new side arms.

New side arms with 40+ range is an AV buff. And a pretty massive one. It will allow you to run forge/swarm (though if you want swarm, run commando...) and still be able to deal with threats at medium range. ScP is an amazing weapon, but its limited range and clip size is a pretty big issue if relying on it as your primary. The magsec and bolt will be much more reliable for Avers.

The WP will make it so more folks want to run AV to get WP and will stick with it instead of giving up the first or second time a tank escapes.

These two things mean...more AVers. And since AV v V is pretty much a numbers game (DPS race) another couple AVers on the field can absoltely change things.

Ambush is probably still screwed (unless folks got smart and started spawning as a squad of forgers/magsecs to insta pop enemy tanks at the start) but dom and skirm might very well be pushed into balance by these indirect AV buffs.

Yes, I know AV was pretty heavily nerfed by the prof and damage mod nerfs. But overall, the sidearm and WP probably leaves AV in a better place than 1.7 maybe even a much better place.

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Medic 1879 Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 1881	Posted - 2014.03.18 19:53:00 - [31] - Quote Good point but a proto AV suit can be quite expensive, a mlt sica with a mlt railgun and 2 damage mods is more effective than an av suit and cheaper. Lead Diplomat for Forsaken Immortals.
Roy Ventus Axis of Chaos 1417	Posted - 2014.03.18 19:54:00 - [32] - Quote It isn't a direct AV buff tho. That's the issue. We need a direct AV buff but WP for damage is in the right direction. Edit: It also means the longer you're running around with your tank, the more likely people can farm WP from you and get OBs called in for their squad. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
Bones McGavins TacoCat Industries 587	Posted - 2014.03.18 19:55:00 - [33] - Quote bamboo x wrote: Dude, you're a ***** scrub if you need a Magsec with your FG. I kill infantry with the FG all the ***** time bro. This is my favorite post. Do you even FG brah!?
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 764	Posted - 2014.03.18 19:56:00 - [34] - Quote Bones McGavins wrote: So, I, like many others freaked out about the AV nerf in 1.8. Prof and damage mod changes hurt AV a lot, more so than most other guns. Everyone stacks damage and any respectable forger has at least prof 3. But the two things that help swing balance back to AV are the WP for damage addition and also the new side arms. New side arms with 40+ range is an AV buff. And a pretty massive one. It will allow you to run forge/swarm (though if you want swarm, run commando...) and still be able to deal with threats at medium range. ScP is an amazing weapon, but its limited range and clip size is a pretty big issue if relying on it as your primary. The magsec and bolt will be much more reliable for Avers. The WP will make it so more folks want to run AV to get WP and will stick with it instead of giving up the first or second time a tank escapes. These two things mean...more AVers. And since AV v V is pretty much a numbers game (DPS race) another couple AVers on the field can absoltely change things. Ambush is probably still screwed (unless folks got smart and started spawning as a squad of forgers/magsecs to insta pop enemy tanks at the start) but dom and skirm might very well be pushed into balance by these indirect AV buffs. Yes, I know AV was pretty heavily nerfed by the prof and damage mod nerfs. But overall, the sidearm and WP probably leaves AV in a better place than 1.7 maybe even a much better place. The magsec will surely get nerfed as it performs like an AR. And WP for AV will just cure a symptom but not the disease
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12301	Posted - 2014.03.18 19:57:00 - [35] - Quote WP doesn't help someone apply damage to a vehicle. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Piraten Hovnoret Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 420	Posted - 2014.03.18 20:02:00 - [36] - Quote Who cares about WP as long as the tank tony go down ? War never changes
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 840	Posted - 2014.03.18 20:02:00 - [37] - Quote More insentive to run AV dose not = balanced These forums must be located in the Californin country side, there is whine as far as the eye can see.
Nirwanda Vaughns Death Firm. 446	Posted - 2014.03.18 20:14:00 - [38] - Quote bamboo x wrote: Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: the caldari commando could make a great AV suit. swarm and a rail rifle, equipment slot, 3 damage mods. seeign as nades are droppign to just having 2 you wopuldnt really miss them. hell if you wanted to be true beast AV fit 2 swarms on it. i have em on my current commando and its pretty awesome annoying the hell out of DS pilots with constant barrage of swarms perhaps the gal/cal commando bonus should apply damage to the swarms too? it'd give AV the bit of buff they need wait is the SL caldari tech? yeah think it is, its all boxy, square and ugly like caldari tech lol cal commando just gets damage bonus to railguns but if they made it apply to swarms on cal and plasma cannon on gal it'd give them more versatility Rolling with the punches
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8360	Posted - 2014.03.18 20:16:00 - [39] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: Geo MERCEDES wrote: However tanks will still shrug off damage with ease, so the main effect may just make it even more difficult for ADS pilots. Vehicles cannot just shrug off a coordinated AV effort. 1 AV vs 1 V favors the vehicle sure but 3-4 AV vs 1 V favors the AV. They dont..... the smart ones might escape...... but the common HAV will be destroyed under concerted fire. " ..- -.- --. I wish I remembered morse code so I wasn't typing random letters" - Malleus Malificorum
rattilius A.O.D. VP Gaming Alliance 3	Posted - 2014.03.18 20:16:00 - [40] - Quote Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: the caldari commando could make a great AV suit. swarm and a rail rifle, equipment slot, 3 damage mods. seeign as nades are droppign to just having 2 you wopuldnt really miss them. hell if you wanted to be true beast AV fit 2 swarms on it. i have em on my current commando and its pretty awesome annoying the hell out of DS pilots with constant barrage of swarms perhaps the gal/cal commando bonus should apply damage to the swarms too? it'd give AV the bit of buff they need Is the SL a light hybrid weapon? Ever desireless one can see the mystery.......ever desiring one see's the manifestations

Shijima Kuraimaru WarRavens League of Infamy 454	Posted - 2014.03.18 20:34:00 - [41] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: Geo MERCEDES wrote: However tanks will still shrug off damage with ease, so the main effect may just make it even more difficult for ADS pilots. Vehicles cannot just shrug off a coordinated AV effort. 1 AV vs 1 V favors the vehicle sure but 3-4 AV vs 1 V favors the AV. The need to have 3 dedicated AV vs 1 HAV will only be acceptable when it requires at least 3 in the HAV before the HAV can do anything. Too many times have I seen two or three dedicated AV trying trying to take out an HAV only to watch the HAV either kill more infantry then run, or roll over and shoot us with impunity then continue killing non-AV infantry. It happens a lot more often than catching a bad HAV pilot or catching a good HAV pilot in a bad position. I still can't find tanks on the market. All I see are those HAVs.
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 992	Posted - 2014.03.18 21:01:00 - [42] - Quote Really OP you are really looking for silver linings if you think new sidearms vs RR, CR, ScR, and HMGs is a buff. More AV doesn't equal less tanks. It will equal easier kills for red dot infantry. Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
rattilius A.O.D. VP Gaming Alliance 3	Posted - 2014.03.18 21:13:00 - [43] - Quote rattilius wrote: Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: the caldari commando could make a great AV suit. swarm and a rail rifle, equipment slot, 3 damage mods. seeign as nades are droppign to just having 2 you wopuldnt really miss them. hell if you wanted to be true beast AV fit 2 swarms on it. i have em on my current commando and its pretty awesome annoying the hell out of DS pilots with constant barrage of swarms perhaps the gal/cal commando bonus should apply damage to the swarms too? it'd give AV the bit of buff they need Is the SL a light hybrid weapon? Nevermind....... found the answer here https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=812865#post812865 Ever desireless one can see the mystery.......ever desiring one see's the manifestations
Draka Marintu TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 184	Posted - 2014.03.18 21:33:00 - [44] - Quote Op I tend to disagree there are several things wrong with av I don't expect to 1v1 a madrugar or gunnlogi with prof 5 forge and win 99 percent of the time but milita lavs shouldt take 2 shots from an ishkone assault forge When the war of giants is over the war of pygmies will begin
VonSpliff TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 93	Posted - 2014.03.18 22:15:00 - [45] - Quote Ooooo 100wp before a blaster prick takes out my squad, sound great. Btw I got some turd that taste like cinnamon if you want some of those as well. Blah keep your WP give me damage. "It never got weird enough for me." Dr. T


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