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Contaminator Aquarius wrote:

IgniteableAura wrote:

You'll find that the loss is from the assets side, specifically in R&D, which took a hit between 2012 and 2013. You'll find that on page 5. Without that, CCP had a positive year, 10 million more revenue in 2013 compared to 2012.

Om page 22, you'll find CCP taking a ~20 million "derecognition" loss, which means "that a portion of these assets would likely not have future economic benefits" Which basically means CCP no longer regards this code as an asset and writes it off as a loss.

Now I realize that CCP has other R&D projects, but considering the time frame and that no other products are really "losing money" the writing on the wall is quite clear; you just have to LOOK

Found this some what disturbing when I read your post. Then I went in and looked at the parts you pointed out.

There are several problems in your reasoning.

First the "derecognition loss" paragraph on page 22 that you quote from says nothing specifically about Dust 514. Your assumption is that this report references Dust 514 in that "portion of these assets would likely not have future economic benefits." that by no means spells out that CCP has ditched Dust.

Secondly, Unless you have some other knowledge as to the nature of what is being worked on in ALL of the R&D department it could have been some other project or element of a project that is no longer viable, desirable, or profitable. You acknowledged you know there are other R&D projects, but say those cant possibly be loosing money. It very well could have been another project we have heard nothing about they decided to ditch because of less than desirable projected consumer base.

The problem is we just don't have enough specific information. Hell, they could have ditched another project to ensure that Dust gets more attention/funding. While I am concerned because I love this game (despite its problems), I would hardly say that "the writing is on the wall."


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IgniteableAura Pro Hic Immortalis 723	Posted - 2014.03.19 01:23:00 - [1] - Quote Regardless of the overwhelming feedback and support for a more full respec. I would like a reason why it is not being offered. The vehicle users got a respec when their tree got changed dramatically. In fact one could argue that the dropsuit changes have a much bigger impact than those from vehicles. The changes are down right pervasive, effecting every single role. Yet the Developers of this game continue to ignore their customer base. I guess it makes sense CCP is losing a massive amount of money through Dust considering the newest financial statement. You treat your customers like garbage. http://www.ccpgames.com/media/47894/ccp_hf_financial_statements_december_31_2013.pdf PHI Recruitment or PHIsh Tank in game Youtube
IgniteableAura Pro Hic Immortalis 725	Posted - 2014.03.19 13:51:00 - [2] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: IgniteableAura wrote: Regardless of the overwhelming feedback and support for a more full respec. I would like a reason why it is not being offered. The vehicle users got a respec when their tree got changed dramatically. In fact one could argue that the dropsuit changes have a much bigger impact than those from vehicles. The changes are down right pervasive, effecting every single role. Yet the Developers of this game continue to ignore their customer base. I guess it makes sense CCP is losing a massive amount of money through Dust considering the newest financial statement. You treat your customers like garbage because you no longer see Dust as a worthwhile invest based on your financial report. http://www.ccpgames.com/media/47894/ccp_hf_financial_statements_december_31_2013.pdf Show me where they break out profit and loss by game. Since you fail at deductive reasoning I'll spell it out for you You'll find that the loss is from the assets side, specifically in R&D, which took a hit between 2012 and 2013. You'll find that on page 5. Without that, CCP had a positive year, 10 million more revenue in 2013 compared to 2012. Om page 22, you'll find CCP taking a ~20 million "derecognition" loss, which means "that a portion of these assets would likely not have future economic benefits" Which basically means CCP no longer regards this code as an asset and writes it off as a loss. Now I realize that CCP has other R&D projects, but considering the time frame and that no other products are really "losing money" the writing on the wall is quite clear; you just have to LOOK PHI Recruitment or PHIsh Tank in game Youtube
IgniteableAura Pro Hic Immortalis 725	Posted - 2014.03.19 18:04:00 - [3] - Quote based on the SDE, light weapons are no longer mandatory...something they haven't said in the patch notes. Looks like scan precision/profile/range details will be displayed in the fittings window now too \o/ Why can't you guys just tell us this stuff? lol There are other interesting details in the SDE, but not sure if true. PHI Recruitment or PHIsh Tank in game Youtube
IgniteableAura Pro Hic Immortalis 728	Posted - 2014.03.19 20:08:00 - [4] - Quote IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: IgniteableAura wrote: based on the SDE, light weapons are no longer mandatory...something they haven't said in the patch notes. Looks like scan precision/profile/range details will be displayed in the fittings window now too \o/ Why can't you guys just tell us this stuff? lol There are other interesting details in the SDE, but not sure if true. Light weapon never was mandatory? You can fit a suit with just sidearms. Possibly just one sidearm, haven't tested for sure. So I'm assuming you mean you're no longer required to fit a weapon? Oh and the precision / profile stuff - NICE! Good info, thanks! Well the way I see it, no slots are mandatory...so I assume that means you no longer are required to equip a weapon. But I guess time will tell. PHI Recruitment or PHIsh Tank in game Youtube
IgniteableAura Pro Hic Immortalis 728	Posted - 2014.03.19 20:12:00 - [5] - Quote CCP, there are two things you need to probably fix. 1. The ck.0 scout only requires level 3 of racial skill. Compare mk.0 scout 2. No sentinels have racial bonuses/modifiers. This VS. This PHI Recruitment or PHIsh Tank in game Youtube
IgniteableAura Pro Hic Immortalis 741	Posted - 2014.03.25 14:23:00 - [6] - Quote Contaminator Aquarius wrote: IgniteableAura wrote: You'll find that the loss is from the assets side, specifically in R&D, which took a hit between 2012 and 2013. You'll find that on page 5. Without that, CCP had a positive year, 10 million more revenue in 2013 compared to 2012. Om page 22, you'll find CCP taking a ~20 million "derecognition" loss, which means "that a portion of these assets would likely not have future economic benefits" Which basically means CCP no longer regards this code as an asset and writes it off as a loss. Now I realize that CCP has other R&D projects, but considering the time frame and that no other products are really "losing money" the writing on the wall is quite clear; you just have to LOOK Found this some what disturbing when I read your post. Then I went in and looked at the parts you pointed out. There are several problems in your reasoning. First the "derecognition loss" paragraph on page 22 that you quote from says nothing specifically about Dust 514. Your assumption is that this report references Dust 514 in that "portion of these assets would likely not have future economic benefits." that by no means spells out that CCP has ditched Dust. Secondly, Unless you have some other knowledge as to the nature of what is being worked on in ALL of the R&D department it could have been some other project or element of a project that is no longer viable, desirable, or profitable. You acknowledged you know there are other R&D projects, but say those cant possibly be loosing money. It very well could have been another project we have heard nothing about they decided to ditch because of less than desirable projected consumer base. The problem is we just don't have enough specific information. Hell, they could have ditched another project to ensure that Dust gets more attention/funding. While I am concerned because I love this game (despite its problems), I would hardly say that "the writing is on the wall." CCP has not ditched dust and they likely won't. I am not eluding to that. I am saying that CCP no longer considers dust a "large money maker" and are writing it off their books so they don't have to claim it on taxes (which is smart). I know that CCP has multiple things going on in their R&D department, but the timelines given are too convenient to discount DUST as being part of the derecognition loss. The 20 million is very likely multiple different side projects, rather than a single large loss. Most importantly, a code has to be capitalized on (code that goes from being worked on, to code that is finished product) in order to be derecognized. What projects would that include. EVE, DUST, Valkyrie. Well EVE is making plenty of money and Valkyrie is a huge hit, considered a "game changer" and already confirmed for PS4 AND PC. Dust however, seems to be the redheaded stepchild. Remember this "loss" is "future gains" not current. Don't get me wrong, dust is making CCP money, just not as much as they had "projected"; which is why I state they need to treat their customers better. PHI Recruitment or PHIsh Tank in game Youtube