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Baal Omniscient
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Posted - 2014.03.18 12:00:00 -
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Would there have been as much respec QQ over it? Do you think you'd feel differently about getting a dropsuit respec if they had done this? I know I wouldn't feel differently, but I wonder how you guys would feel. Because they did this with the weapons and there apparently wasn't enough outcry to get our points back.
Do you think that if they had released the ScR, RR, CR and the new sidearms all at once there would have been enough support for a weapon skill respec to get CCP to agree?
Discuss.
MAG ~ Raven
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I-Shayz-I
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Posted - 2014.03.18 12:12:00 -
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Dude, they're not just bringing in more dropsuits, they've completely changed the scout, sentinel, and commando suits. Those should have been the only areas that got refunds, but CCP decided it would be best for just an entire refund of dropsuit command.
It's not at all similar to just introducing more weapons/items.
Introduction of new stuff? No refunds
Balancing changes? No refunds
Skills changing? No refunds
Skills getting a different multiplier? Refund mandatory (reload skills and dropsuit skills in one of the patches)
Completely changing items? Possibly a refund (i.e. 1.8)
Launch of the game with reset of stats? Respec mandatory (uprising)
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Baal Omniscient
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Posted - 2014.03.18 12:16:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:Dude, they're not just bringing in more dropsuits, they've completely changed the scout, sentinel, and commando suits. Those should have been the only areas that got refunds, but CCP decided it would be best for just an entire refund of dropsuit command.
It's not at all similar to just introducing more weapons/items.
Introduction of new stuff? No refunds
Balancing changes? No refunds
Skills changing? No refunds
Skills getting a different multiplier? Refund mandatory (reload skills and dropsuit skills in one of the patches)
Completely changing items? Possibly a refund (i.e. 1.8)
Launch of the game with reset of stats? Respec mandatory (uprising)
Might I point out they are also reworking most of the weapons damage and proficiency skills and changing damage mods? The cumulative changes to weapons over the course of Uprising I feel are equal to the upcoming changes to dropsuits.
MAG ~ Raven
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ResistanceGTA
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
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Posted - 2014.03.18 12:16:00 -
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If we had gotten all the sidearms (Amarr and Gallente SMGs, and I guess the idiotic 'we need racial knives') then I could have seen us getting at least a sidearm respec. With those 2 (5) things still missing, it would be kinda pointless.
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Lorhak Gannarsein
Science For Death
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Posted - 2014.03.18 12:19:00 -
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Baal Omniscient wrote:I-Shayz-I wrote:Dude, they're not just bringing in more dropsuits, they've completely changed the scout, sentinel, and commando suits. Those should have been the only areas that got refunds, but CCP decided it would be best for just an entire refund of dropsuit command.
It's not at all similar to just introducing more weapons/items.
Introduction of new stuff? No refunds
Balancing changes? No refunds
Skills changing? No refunds
Skills getting a different multiplier? Refund mandatory (reload skills and dropsuit skills in one of the patches)
Completely changing items? Possibly a refund (i.e. 1.8)
Launch of the game with reset of stats? Respec mandatory (uprising) Might I point out they are also reworking most of the weapons damage and proficiency skills and changing damage mods? The cumulative changes to weapons over the course of Uprising I feel are equal to the upcoming changes to dropsuits.
Bet I can guess why they didn't do weapons.
Who'd keep their AV SP?
Not gonna get very good metrics if no-one's specced the stuff.
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
The Containment Unit
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Posted - 2014.03.18 12:33:00 -
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Baal Omniscient wrote:I-Shayz-I wrote:Dude, they're not just bringing in more dropsuits, they've completely changed the scout, sentinel, and commando suits. Those should have been the only areas that got refunds, but CCP decided it would be best for just an entire refund of dropsuit command.
It's not at all similar to just introducing more weapons/items.
Introduction of new stuff? No refunds
Balancing changes? No refunds
Skills changing? No refunds
Skills getting a different multiplier? Refund mandatory (reload skills and dropsuit skills in one of the patches)
Completely changing items? Possibly a refund (i.e. 1.8)
Launch of the game with reset of stats? Respec mandatory (uprising) Might I point out they are also reworking most of the weapons damage and proficiency skills and changing damage mods? The cumulative changes to weapons over the course of Uprising I feel are equal to the upcoming changes to dropsuits.
This is why I said what I said but I can understand Shayz and others who speak like him , you know .. most of the vets , it just seems like the newer player ( Can you still call 5 months new? ) ask all the questions and such from lack there of and being in want especially when the only way to be a heavy was to be Amarr.
I don't ask for or expect refunds for every changes but these last few months have been full of them and not just minor changes so do I expect one for the racial vehicle updates , no but when you change how a individual performs not to mention of implementing new tools and changing the performance of said tools ( i.e. weapon, weapons mods and equipment ) then something more than just the suit command seems only right because overall gameplay changed and it's not just a constant evolution like Baal Omniscient mentions ... its game changing play overnight so to speak.
Leave all negative comments about tanks in the bin marked " TRASH " and we'll get to it as soon as possible . Thank You
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
The Containment Unit
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Posted - 2014.03.18 12:36:00 -
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Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:Baal Omniscient wrote:I-Shayz-I wrote:Dude, they're not just bringing in more dropsuits, they've completely changed the scout, sentinel, and commando suits. Those should have been the only areas that got refunds, but CCP decided it would be best for just an entire refund of dropsuit command.
It's not at all similar to just introducing more weapons/items.
Introduction of new stuff? No refunds
Balancing changes? No refunds
Skills changing? No refunds
Skills getting a different multiplier? Refund mandatory (reload skills and dropsuit skills in one of the patches)
Completely changing items? Possibly a refund (i.e. 1.8)
Launch of the game with reset of stats? Respec mandatory (uprising) Might I point out they are also reworking most of the weapons damage and proficiency skills and changing damage mods? The cumulative changes to weapons over the course of Uprising I feel are equal to the upcoming changes to dropsuits. Bet I can guess why they didn't do weapons. Who'd keep their AV SP? Not gonna get very good metrics if no-one's specced the stuff.
I would. Cant use vehicles without them. Plasma Cannons too once I figure the dam thing out.
Leave all negative comments about tanks in the bin marked " TRASH " and we'll get to it as soon as possible . Thank You
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DeeJay One
Guardian Solutions
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2014.03.18 12:39:00 -
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Baal Omniscient wrote:Would there have been as much respec QQ over it?
Yup, there's always an insane amount of QQ over everything here. |
Kigurosaka Laaksonen
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.03.18 12:39:00 -
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Changing stats isn't grounds for a respec in a persistent MMO set in New Eden when decisions should be meaningful. Stuff will get changed.
Adding basic racial content that wasn't available from launch day as it should have been is grounds for a respec.
Originally, the only respec I supported was a full and final respec to go with the patch that gave use full, basic racial parity, and releasing that content would have to be top priority. From there, meaningful progress could be made towards addressing balance issues and fixing/polishing the gun play and other mechanics. Seeing the community attitude towards respecs has shifted my view. I would be happy to never see another respec again ever.
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Baal Omniscient
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Posted - 2014.03.18 12:55:00 -
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Kigurosaka Laaksonen wrote:Adding basic racial content that wasn't available from launch day as it should have been is grounds for a respec.
Like the RR, ScR & CR?
MAG ~ Raven
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Hoover Damn
H.A.R.V.E.S.T.
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2014.03.18 12:59:00 -
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ResistanceGTA wrote:the idiotic 'we need racial knives'
Well it doesn't make much sense that the Minmatar scout gets a bonus to damage with a Caldari weapon, does it? |
Baal Omniscient
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Posted - 2014.03.18 13:04:00 -
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Hoover Damn wrote:ResistanceGTA wrote:the idiotic 'we need racial knives' Well it doesn't make much sense that the Minmatar scout gets a bonus to damage with a Caldari weapon, does it?
Why does Caldari even have knives? They are ranged fighters. If anything, Minmatar knives should have been put in-game before anyone else. Or maybe Gallente.
MAG ~ Raven
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Aero Yassavi
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2014.03.18 13:14:00 -
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Baal Omniscient wrote:Hoover Damn wrote:ResistanceGTA wrote:the idiotic 'we need racial knives' Well it doesn't make much sense that the Minmatar scout gets a bonus to damage with a Caldari weapon, does it? Why does Caldari even have knives? They are ranged fighters. If anything, Minmatar knives should have been put in-game before anyone else. Or maybe Gallente.
By that logic, why does the Minmatar even have a sentinel, they're speed tankers? Why do the Amarr even have a scout, they're brick armor tankers?
There's no reason any of these super advanced races wouldn't be able to develop their own version of various weapons even if they aren't what you typically expect from them. A full line of racial knives could be very interesting if you use a little imagination, as well as a full line of shotguns and sniper rifles and such.
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Baal Omniscient
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Posted - 2014.03.18 13:22:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Baal Omniscient wrote:Hoover Damn wrote:ResistanceGTA wrote:the idiotic 'we need racial knives' Well it doesn't make much sense that the Minmatar scout gets a bonus to damage with a Caldari weapon, does it? Why does Caldari even have knives? They are ranged fighters. If anything, Minmatar knives should have been put in-game before anyone else. Or maybe Gallente. By that logic, why does the Minmatar even have a sentinel, they're speed tankers? Why do the Amarr even have a scout, they're brick armor tankers? There's no reason any of these super advanced races wouldn't be able to develop their own version of various weapons even if they aren't what you typically expect from them. A full line of racial knives could be very interesting if you use a little imagination, as well as a full line of shotguns and sniper rifles and such.
Not saying Caldari shouldn't have one, just saying that they should not be the first one with it.
MAG ~ Raven
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Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
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Posted - 2014.03.18 13:28:00 -
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Baal Omniscient wrote:Not saying Caldari shouldn't have one, just saying that they should not be the first one with it.
Agreed. We got this weird cross section of different types of equipment when DUST went live. People have been begging for racial parity so that is all makes some sort of RP sense. Do we need Minmatar knives? No. But, a significant portion of the players do tend to stick to racial lines. Faction warfare reinforces that and denies us at the same time due to gaps in racial offerings.
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Zirzo Valcyn
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.03.18 13:29:00 -
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minmatar knife = sharpened tooth brush
u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll.
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Baal Omniscient
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Posted - 2014.03.18 13:43:00 -
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Zirzo Valcyn wrote:minmatar knife = sharpened tooth brush
Minmatar knife=random prison shanks made out of random items.
MAG ~ Raven
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Murt Lesp
Hydra's Wraiths
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Posted - 2014.03.18 13:58:00 -
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The Gallante Plasma Blade
The Amarrian Ceremonial Laser Sabre
The Caldari already have their knife
The Minmatarian Raider's Edge
In the long run I think that knives are more fitting as bayonets but CCP will do what CCP wants and I'm okay with that
It's time for MILLITA MONTH!!!
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.03.18 14:33:00 -
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Baal Omniscient wrote:I-Shayz-I wrote:Dude, they're not just bringing in more dropsuits, they've completely changed the scout, sentinel, and commando suits. Those should have been the only areas that got refunds, but CCP decided it would be best for just an entire refund of dropsuit command.
It's not at all similar to just introducing more weapons/items.
Introduction of new stuff? No refunds
Balancing changes? No refunds
Skills changing? No refunds
Skills getting a different multiplier? Refund mandatory (reload skills and dropsuit skills in one of the patches)
Completely changing items? Possibly a refund (i.e. 1.8)
Launch of the game with reset of stats? Respec mandatory (uprising) Might I point out they are also reworking most of the weapons damage and proficiency skills and changing damage mods? The cumulative changes to weapons over the course of Uprising I feel are equal to the upcoming changes to dropsuits.
Sorry mate, but that's bullshit. Buffs and nerfs come nowhere near changing a hacker to a repper, or a dual tanker to an armour tanker.
No.
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Shadow Archeus
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.03.18 14:42:00 -
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If all racial suits were released when the game was"released" I wouldn't want one....
But CCP dragged their feet on it and now everyone's complaining
Real heavies use lasers
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Baal Omniscient
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Posted - 2014.03.18 14:48:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:Baal Omniscient wrote:I-Shayz-I wrote:Dude, they're not just bringing in more dropsuits, they've completely changed the scout, sentinel, and commando suits. Those should have been the only areas that got refunds, but CCP decided it would be best for just an entire refund of dropsuit command.
It's not at all similar to just introducing more weapons/items.
Introduction of new stuff? No refunds
Balancing changes? No refunds
Skills changing? No refunds
Skills getting a different multiplier? Refund mandatory (reload skills and dropsuit skills in one of the patches)
Completely changing items? Possibly a refund (i.e. 1.8)
Launch of the game with reset of stats? Respec mandatory (uprising) Might I point out they are also reworking most of the weapons damage and proficiency skills and changing damage mods? The cumulative changes to weapons over the course of Uprising I feel are equal to the upcoming changes to dropsuits. Sorry mate, but that's bullshit. Buffs and nerfs come nowhere near changing a hacker to a repper, or a dual tanker to an armour tanker.
But a gun that does not exist suddenly existing is the same for guns as for dropsuits, and the sheer number of changes weapons have been through in total add up. Here's the Uprising life cycle of some favorites; Flaylock-weak/OP/worthless, Laser-sucky/decent/UP/worthless, TAR-OP/OPer/useless, MD-horrid/mediocre/OP/UP, Swarms-good/fair/OP/useless, HMG-useless/mediocre/worthless/borderline OP..... Should I go on? I'm not saying that the changes are the same, I'm saying that the cumulative effect of the changes is even.
MAG ~ Raven
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Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.03.18 15:55:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:Dude, they're not just bringing in more dropsuits, they've completely changed the scout, sentinel, and commando suits. Those should have been the only areas that got refunds, but CCP decided it would be best for just an entire refund of dropsuit command.
It's not at all similar to just introducing more weapons/items.
Introduction of new stuff? No refunds
Balancing changes? No refunds
Skills changing? No refunds
Skills getting a different multiplier? Refund mandatory (reload skills and dropsuit skills in one of the patches)
Completely changing items? Possibly a refund (i.e. 1.8)
Launch of the game with reset of stats? Respec mandatory (uprising)
I would agree to all but "Skills changing? No refunds" If the skill is no longer the Skill I chose there should be a refund of that skill no matter for what reason the skill got changed (by change I mean the skill give a different bonus).
And of course if a role changes their should be a refund of any affected items as well... |
John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2014.03.18 16:23:00 -
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No. There will always be respec QQ no matter what you do. It is the nature of things.
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Luna Angelo
We Who Walk Alone
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Posted - 2014.03.18 16:32:00 -
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Dropsuits will be made to use with your racial gear, for the most part. So, since I use Caldari gear, why should i be forced to keep the points in Assault Rifles? They're Close-mid range weapons, and Caldari keep their distance.
I don't need luck, I have ammo.
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RuckingFetard
Better Hide R Die
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Posted - 2014.03.18 16:35:00 -
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FYI the Amarr Nova Knife has already been released. Its called the Laser Rifle:p
Running pure shield tanked Caldari 'cuz me a hippy
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Kigurosaka Laaksonen
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.03.18 17:37:00 -
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Baal Omniscient wrote:Kigurosaka Laaksonen wrote:Adding basic racial content that wasn't available from launch day as it should have been is grounds for a respec. Like the RR, ScR & CR?
If you just had the attention span to read the second half a relatively short and easy to read post you would see...
"the only respec I supported was a full and final respec to go with the patch that gave use full, basic racial parity"
Too bad you've got the attention span of a goldfish.
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Baal Omniscient
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Posted - 2014.03.19 23:51:00 -
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Kigurosaka Laaksonen wrote:Baal Omniscient wrote:Kigurosaka Laaksonen wrote:Adding basic racial content that wasn't available from launch day as it should have been is grounds for a respec. Like the RR, ScR & CR? If you just had the attention span to read the second half a relatively short and easy to read post you would see... "the only respec I supported was a full and final respec to go with the patch that gave use full, basic racial parity" Too bad you've got the attention span of a goldfish.
Too much vodka does that. Unfortunately for you, that is an ongoing issue. My apologies.
ps: thank god for spell check 
MAG ~ Raven
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