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Baal Omniscient
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Posted - 2014.03.18 12:00:00 -
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Would there have been as much respec QQ over it? Do you think you'd feel differently about getting a dropsuit respec if they had done this? I know I wouldn't feel differently, but I wonder how you guys would feel. Because they did this with the weapons and there apparently wasn't enough outcry to get our points back.
Do you think that if they had released the ScR, RR, CR and the new sidearms all at once there would have been enough support for a weapon skill respec to get CCP to agree?
Discuss.
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Baal Omniscient
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Posted - 2014.03.18 12:16:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:Dude, they're not just bringing in more dropsuits, they've completely changed the scout, sentinel, and commando suits. Those should have been the only areas that got refunds, but CCP decided it would be best for just an entire refund of dropsuit command.
It's not at all similar to just introducing more weapons/items.
Introduction of new stuff? No refunds
Balancing changes? No refunds
Skills changing? No refunds
Skills getting a different multiplier? Refund mandatory (reload skills and dropsuit skills in one of the patches)
Completely changing items? Possibly a refund (i.e. 1.8)
Launch of the game with reset of stats? Respec mandatory (uprising)
Might I point out they are also reworking most of the weapons damage and proficiency skills and changing damage mods? The cumulative changes to weapons over the course of Uprising I feel are equal to the upcoming changes to dropsuits.
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Baal Omniscient
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Posted - 2014.03.18 12:55:00 -
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Kigurosaka Laaksonen wrote:Adding basic racial content that wasn't available from launch day as it should have been is grounds for a respec.
Like the RR, ScR & CR?
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Baal Omniscient
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Posted - 2014.03.18 13:04:00 -
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Hoover Damn wrote:ResistanceGTA wrote:the idiotic 'we need racial knives' Well it doesn't make much sense that the Minmatar scout gets a bonus to damage with a Caldari weapon, does it?
Why does Caldari even have knives? They are ranged fighters. If anything, Minmatar knives should have been put in-game before anyone else. Or maybe Gallente.
MAG ~ Raven
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Baal Omniscient
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Posted - 2014.03.18 13:22:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Baal Omniscient wrote:Hoover Damn wrote:ResistanceGTA wrote:the idiotic 'we need racial knives' Well it doesn't make much sense that the Minmatar scout gets a bonus to damage with a Caldari weapon, does it? Why does Caldari even have knives? They are ranged fighters. If anything, Minmatar knives should have been put in-game before anyone else. Or maybe Gallente. By that logic, why does the Minmatar even have a sentinel, they're speed tankers? Why do the Amarr even have a scout, they're brick armor tankers? There's no reason any of these super advanced races wouldn't be able to develop their own version of various weapons even if they aren't what you typically expect from them. A full line of racial knives could be very interesting if you use a little imagination, as well as a full line of shotguns and sniper rifles and such.
Not saying Caldari shouldn't have one, just saying that they should not be the first one with it.
MAG ~ Raven
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Posted - 2014.03.18 13:43:00 -
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Zirzo Valcyn wrote:minmatar knife = sharpened tooth brush
Minmatar knife=random prison shanks made out of random items.
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Baal Omniscient
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Posted - 2014.03.18 14:48:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:Baal Omniscient wrote:I-Shayz-I wrote:Dude, they're not just bringing in more dropsuits, they've completely changed the scout, sentinel, and commando suits. Those should have been the only areas that got refunds, but CCP decided it would be best for just an entire refund of dropsuit command.
It's not at all similar to just introducing more weapons/items.
Introduction of new stuff? No refunds
Balancing changes? No refunds
Skills changing? No refunds
Skills getting a different multiplier? Refund mandatory (reload skills and dropsuit skills in one of the patches)
Completely changing items? Possibly a refund (i.e. 1.8)
Launch of the game with reset of stats? Respec mandatory (uprising) Might I point out they are also reworking most of the weapons damage and proficiency skills and changing damage mods? The cumulative changes to weapons over the course of Uprising I feel are equal to the upcoming changes to dropsuits. Sorry mate, but that's bullshit. Buffs and nerfs come nowhere near changing a hacker to a repper, or a dual tanker to an armour tanker.
But a gun that does not exist suddenly existing is the same for guns as for dropsuits, and the sheer number of changes weapons have been through in total add up. Here's the Uprising life cycle of some favorites; Flaylock-weak/OP/worthless, Laser-sucky/decent/UP/worthless, TAR-OP/OPer/useless, MD-horrid/mediocre/OP/UP, Swarms-good/fair/OP/useless, HMG-useless/mediocre/worthless/borderline OP..... Should I go on? I'm not saying that the changes are the same, I'm saying that the cumulative effect of the changes is even.
MAG ~ Raven
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Baal Omniscient
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Posted - 2014.03.19 23:51:00 -
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Kigurosaka Laaksonen wrote:Baal Omniscient wrote:Kigurosaka Laaksonen wrote:Adding basic racial content that wasn't available from launch day as it should have been is grounds for a respec. Like the RR, ScR & CR? If you just had the attention span to read the second half a relatively short and easy to read post you would see... "the only respec I supported was a full and final respec to go with the patch that gave use full, basic racial parity" Too bad you've got the attention span of a goldfish.
Too much vodka does that. Unfortunately for you, that is an ongoing issue. My apologies.
ps: thank god for spell check 
MAG ~ Raven
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