PLEASE STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT TANKS! They are not "OP", you are just "UP". Every match I play, since the release of 1.7, I hear people complaining about tanks. This is why I think you should shut up. If you are complaining about tanks, it's probably because you haven't skilled into AV, or tanks, or you have skilled into either one of these and you just don't know how to use TEAM-WORK to accomplish the task at hand. In either case, it's your own fault. If your complaining about tanks it's because you play this game enough to care, and if you play this game enough to care, then you should have some sort of anti-vehicle class set up, and if you don't have one, then it's your own a** that you should be kicking. If you are complaining about tanks and you don't have enough skill points to skill into AV, then you don't play this game enough to care and in any case you shouldn't be complaining about anything. Ok?! Anyone who complains about tanks, severely contradicts themselves. All it takes is 2 militia forge gunners working in unison to take down a tank, and this is coming from both a tankers' and a AR's perspective. As I do both I can respectfully evaluate this situation from both points of view. It really doesn't take much guys. You can kill both infantry and vehicles with a forge-gun. Honestly, there isn't a more powerful presence on the battlefield. A great Forge-Gunner is held in high regards. I know some who can get accepted in any corp of their choosing, some of which get paid 8 digits a week for their services. So...get good and have a nice day.

Militia FG? Cause that's what the OP is claiming, the clip size and charge time on them is atrocious. Actual FG, in a team are impressive, but Militia is ghastly.

PLEASE STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT TANKS! They are not "OP", you are just "UP". Every match I play, since the release of 1.7, I hear people complaining about tanks. This is why I think you should shut up. If you are complaining about tanks, it's probably because you haven't skilled into AV, or tanks, or you have skilled into either one of these and you just don't know how to use TEAM-WORK to accomplish the task at hand. In either case, it's your own fault. If your complaining about tanks it's because you play this game enough to care, and if you play this game enough to care, then you should have some sort of anti-vehicle class set up, and if you don't have one, then it's your own a** that you should be kicking. If you are complaining about tanks and you don't have enough skill points to skill into AV, then you don't play this game enough to care and in any case you shouldn't be complaining about anything. Ok?! Anyone who complains about tanks, severely contradicts themselves. All it takes is 2 militia forge gunners working in unison to take down a tank, and this is coming from both a tankers' and a AR's perspective. As I do both I can respectfully evaluate this situation from both points of view. It really doesn't take much guys. You can kill both infantry and vehicles with a forge-gun. Honestly, there isn't a more powerful presence on the battlefield. A great Forge-Gunner is held in high regards. I know some who can get accepted in any corp of their choosing, some of which get paid 8 digits a week for their services. So...get good and have a nice day.

PLEASE STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT TANKS! They are not "OP", you are just "UP". Every match I play, since the release of 1.7, I hear people complaining about tanks. This is why I think you should shut up. If you are complaining about tanks, it's probably because you haven't skilled into AV, or tanks, or you have skilled into either one of these and you just don't know how to use TEAM-WORK to accomplish the task at hand. In either case, it's your own fault. If your complaining about tanks it's because you play this game enough to care, and if you play this game enough to care, then you should have some sort of anti-vehicle class set up, and if you don't have one, then it's your own a** that you should be kicking. If you are complaining about tanks and you don't have enough skill points to skill into AV, then you don't play this game enough to care and in any case you shouldn't be complaining about anything. Ok?! Anyone who complains about tanks, severely contradicts themselves. All it takes is 2 militia forge gunners working in unison to take down a tank, and this is coming from both a tankers' and a AR's perspective. As I do both I can respectfully evaluate this situation from both points of view. It really doesn't take much guys. You can kill both infantry and vehicles with a forge-gun. Honestly, there isn't a more powerful presence on the battlefield. A great Forge-Gunner is held in high regards. I know some who can get accepted in any corp of their choosing, some of which get paid 8 digits a week for their services. So...get good and have a nice day.

PLEASE STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT TANKS! They are not "OP", you are just "UP". Every match I play, since the release of 1.7, I hear people complaining about tanks. This is why I think you should shut up. If you are complaining about tanks, it's probably because you haven't skilled into AV, or tanks, or you have skilled into either one of these and you just don't know how to use TEAM-WORK to accomplish the task at hand. In either case, it's your own fault. If your complaining about tanks it's because you play this game enough to care, and if you play this game enough to care, then you should have some sort of anti-vehicle class set up, and if you don't have one, then it's your own a** that you should be kicking. If you are complaining about tanks and you don't have enough skill points to skill into AV, then you don't play this game enough to care and in any case you shouldn't be complaining about anything. Ok?! Anyone who complains about tanks, severely contradicts themselves. All it takes is 2 militia forge gunners working in unison to take down a tank, and this is coming from both a tankers' and a AR's perspective. As I do both I can respectfully evaluate this situation from both points of view. It really doesn't take much guys. You can kill both infantry and vehicles with a forge-gun. Honestly, there isn't a more powerful presence on the battlefield. A great Forge-Gunner is held in high regards. I know some who can get accepted in any corp of their choosing, some of which get paid 8 digits a week for their services. So...get good and have a nice day.

Buddy, I'm sorry you don't have anyone to help you when dealing with tanks. Just find a friend and you'll be fine.

Antecdotal banter

So your saying militia should do more damage than proto? Your saying that Sp doesn't matter? The more SP you have in something, the stronger it should be. I have 12mil into tanks. So what your saying is that you alone with your 2mil into AV should be able to bring me down? And that is balanced in your mind? Trololo yourself.

That statement is a fallacy. However for the sake of proving you wrong, I'll bite down.

In order to be a competitive AVer, you need the following skills:

• Dropsuit Command II
• Minmatar Medium Frame III
• Minmatar Assault V
• Weaponry III
• Light Weaponry IV
• Sidearm Weaponry II
• Swarm Launcher Operation V
• Swarm Launcher Proficiency V
• Sub-Machine Proficiency Operation V
• Sub-Machine Gun Proficiency V
• Explosives III
• Grenadier V
• Profile Dampening V
• Remote Explosives II
• Dropsuit Upgrades II
• Dropsuit Core Upgrades III
• Dropsuit Electronics V
• Dropsuit Engineering V

All of that requires a plentiful 12,530,040. Most of the SP is something that will only be used when someone fields a vehicle, which is not a guarantee.

While you can use your vehicle anytime, I can only use my Swarms when someone brings out a vehicle. Because of this, AV needs to be less SP intensive. Though I wouldn't consider 12,530,040 as a laughing matter.

HAVs should be soloed, as they are only operated by 1 person. I could list some more examples, but my laptop's about to die unfortunately.

The first section of the clip has 1 guy with a swarm launcher shooting at a dropship who, probably has more Sp into it than the guy has into that swarm launcher. Need I watch more?

Why would you need half of that stuff? I got a little over a million into a forge gun, prof. 3 Ishukone Assault Forge Gun, with a militia Heavy drop suit 1 complex damage mod. I 3 shot armor tanks with dual hardeners.

That's 12mil SP to be a proper AVer. By your logic alone, you shouldn't be able to survive me by yourself, as I spent 530,040SP more than you.

Eat your words please.

Ok, you need proof. Go to youtube and check out my pubstomping video, there is your proof.

Why would you need half of that stuff? I got a little over a million into a forge gun, prof. 3 Ishukone Assault Forge Gun, with a militia Heavy drop suit 1 complex damage mod. I 3 shot armor tanks with dual hardeners.

I could also ask you the same thing.

Why do you need 12mil? I have the following skills in HAVs atm:

I only have 2,344,360 SP and I have absolutely no problems slaying any and everything that comes into my path. Be it AV, Vehicles, or Infantry.

You don't need to invest SP into the modules, as they are tiericided and yield the same benefits (bar CPU/PG requirements) across all tiers (STD/ADV/PRO). The fitting on the Gunnlogi is ridiculous, and doesn't require the core skills to reduce the fitting requirements on Shield Modules.

Also, have you ever ran a Madrugar with 1 hardener and 2 Armor Repairers? You should try it sometime. It pretty much makes you invulnerable to anything other than a Wyrikomi FG or Railgun.

You think I'm just a tank driver? lol. You don't know who I am. Do you? The only argument I made for tanks before 1.5 was the fact that they cost entirely too much. AV was OP compared to the cost of tanks, both in isk and Sp. If anything, the fact that tanks are so cheap now, is carma for infantry. We are getting pay back due to so much lost before 1.7. BTW, I was the guy carrying my team with a 2000 wp gap in between me and 2nd place.

It's does 1500 a shot, plus prof.3 puts it at about 1650, plus the complex damage mod, then puts it at around 1800X 3 shots. Around 5400 damage, now usually someone gets the shields down before I hit, but even then 4 shots at most, He will have repped roughly 500hp in between my shots. It just amazes me man. People walking around with blaster turrets, wearing 900 armor logi suits and people are b*th*ng about tanks. The kaakoloita Rail rifle does just as much as my basic blaster turret and has the same range, when damage mods are equipped.

Facepalm! On paper yes. That is correct, but as we all know, stats mean nothing in this game. Theoretically, if you have 3 shield hardeners on 60%x3, minus deductions for stacking penalties, you should not take any damage....but you do. I rest my case.

I dropped 12 mil into tanks because I can. I have 34mil. Lifetime SP. lol. I am prepared if they decide to release other tank variants of the same race. It's not like I skilled into tanks passed level 3 for any real purpose. Once you accrue so many Sp, you get bored and start maxing everything out.