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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.03.17 20:49:00 -
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I fitted an ADV cloak to a Ck.0 logi with 700 HP, with damps, equipment, and a proto weapon.
I wonder if this will become a thing.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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Nocturnal Soul
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
2390
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Posted - 2014.03.17 20:51:00 -
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Delete thread now......
P.S. you havent sent my 400mil yet :(
Its alright everyone, no need to worry it's just an Amarr scout :(
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy
2417
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Posted - 2014.03.17 20:55:00 -
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Yes it will.
"The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu
Forum Warrior lv.2
Amarr victor!
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.17 20:55:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:I fitted an ADV cloak to a Ck.0 logi with 700 HP, with damps, equipment, and a proto weapon.
I wonder if this will become a thing.
Scouts should still do it better. (Due to higher mobility and a sidearm to boot)
But I have learned to never underestimate a medframe.
So just to be safe....delete the thread...
Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face.
I've got 3k likes, I'll double post if I want to dammit!
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Soldner VonKuechle
SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance
382
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Posted - 2014.03.17 20:58:00 -
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It seems you have read my mind and exposed my darkest plan to the populace. ...
...eff.
If you don't understand politics or pulling triggers, I have no use for you.
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One Eyed King
Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic
641
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Posted - 2014.03.17 20:59:00 -
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Deleting the thread only delays the inevitable.
Its just something CCP will need to fix, if not in a hotfix, then in the next (hopefully) build.
They really need to do something about the logis in general. They shouldn't be able to do slaying, scouting, or tanking better than the suits designed for exactly that role.
Looking for the scout hangout?
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Cotsy
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2014.03.17 20:59:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:I fitted an ADV cloak to a Ck.0 logi with 700 HP, with damps, equipment, and a proto weapon.
I wonder if this will become a thing.
http://www.protofits.com/fittings/view/0/810 |
Cotsy
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2014.03.17 21:00:00 -
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Also if you wanted to lose a RE or both RE, you can stack 2 extenders on for high eHP, |
xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Corporation
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Posted - 2014.03.17 21:00:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:I fitted an ADV cloak to a Ck.0 logi with 700 HP, with damps, equipment, and a proto weapon.
I wonder if this will become a thing.
eh! have you tried the Cloaked Cal Commando with PRO Kaalakiota? pretty good-
>Bastard I : "Cce me ne... futt! XD"
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Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
3260
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Posted - 2014.03.17 21:07:00 -
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Looks like someone would rather be Minmatar with that fit.
Adapt or Die // Republic Lance Commander // @ReesNoturana
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2014.03.17 21:10:00 -
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Double the cloak's fitting. Its an error; logi's bonus doesn't apply to cloaks.
CPM 0 Secretary
Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist
\\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
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Godin Thekiller
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
1878
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Posted - 2014.03.17 21:15:00 -
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You know that fitting's wrong due to protofits giving cloaks the logi bonus, right?
'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever!
Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
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Godin Thekiller
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
1878
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Posted - 2014.03.17 21:17:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Double the cloak's fitting. Its an error; logi's bonus doesn't apply to cloaks.
this
'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever!
Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.03.17 21:33:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Double the cloak's fitting. Its an error; logi's bonus doesn't apply to cloaks.
The removal of a 25% bonus does not constitute a doubling in fitting requirements.
Also, I was using a 1.7 model Ck.0 for this so it didn't have the bonus anyway.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2014.03.17 21:36:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Double the cloak's fitting. Its an error; logi's bonus doesn't apply to cloaks. The removal of a 25% bonus does not constitute a doubling in fitting requirements. Also, I was using a 1.7 model Ck.0 for this so it didn't have the bonus anyway.
25%???
Check the white vs green again.
55% difference.
CPM 0 Secretary
Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist
\\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
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STEALTH HUNTER ZERO
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
185
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Posted - 2014.03.17 21:40:00 -
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I made a fit for my scout GK.0 with close to 600 EHP, runs over 9 m/s and can beat most scans. I could easily tank it more with still well over 8 m/s as well. Scout still does it better. Also I had an adv cloak and adv RE's on that fit with a proto ACR and adv SMG. |
The Infected One
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
1173
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Posted - 2014.03.17 21:59:00 -
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I'll just keep mine to myself then.
I am here to ask you one question, and one question only: EXPLOSIONS?
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DozersMouse XIII
Ultramarine Corp
188
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Posted - 2014.03.17 22:04:00 -
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proto gal logi will still scan you even if this is a thing
Bacon pancakes makin' bacon pancakes
Take some bacon and I'll put it a pancake
Bacon pancakes thats what it's gonna make
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
11297
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Posted - 2014.03.17 22:07:00 -
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DozersMouse XIII wrote:proto gal logi will still scan you even if this is a thing
I'm not particularly worried. It won't be permascan, and it won't be 360. And it'd have to be a proto scanner.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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TunRa
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
510
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Posted - 2014.03.17 22:08:00 -
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DozersMouse XIII wrote:proto gal logi will still scan you even if this is a thing How often are we going to have proto gal logis scanning tho? Do you think one will be in EVERY game? No.
Thanks CCP Foxfour
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ResistanceGTA
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
552
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Posted - 2014.03.17 22:09:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:I fitted an ADV cloak to a Ck.0 logi with 700 HP, with damps, equipment, and a proto weapon.
I wonder if this will become a thing.
And I thought I was evil when I mentioned a Minmatar Commando with Dual Freedom Mass Drivers...
xSivartx is my Heavy. There are many like him, but he is my own...
So, other Logi's back off, those are my Warpoints!
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The Infected One
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
1173
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Posted - 2014.03.17 22:10:00 -
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DozersMouse XIII wrote:proto gal logi will still scan you even if this is a thing For a few sec, and only if I'm in your scan angle, and by that time I'll be gone.
I am here to ask you one question, and one question only: EXPLOSIONS?
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CRNWLLC
Screwy Rabbit ULC
113
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Posted - 2014.03.17 22:38:00 -
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Fitting a cloak on a non-scout frame is an uphill battle, but whatevs--to each, their own, I suppose.
In any case, I am super skeptical that the cloak is an OP hot drop device--there's a visually obvious and temporally significant lag associated with de/activating it, and unless your timing is immaculate and your opponent is a dunce, you'll probably get noticed pretty quickly in a medium frame since you almost certainly lose the 25% profile bonus as soon as the cloak is deactivated, meaning you'll likely show up on radar while the decloaking VFX play, unless you're stacking a few (3+) damps (I saw some numbers on another thread like this and they weren't great for logi frames).
I suppose the cloak might help logi frames traverse the map, but a medium frame with an automatic rifle (what else would you put on a stealth/slayer logi suit without a sidearm?) is already setup to run on the frontline, so I can't really see too much benefit here, except maybe in tankbush matches.
It remains to be seen, but I think it makes sense to pick either stealth or tank, and if you want to mix them, it's probably a bad idea to rely on the cloak to any extent. Some combination of damps and plates/extenders makes more sense (ie, a passive strategy vs. an active one), but on the whole, the notion of trying to do stealth work on the frontline is a little misguided (because you sure as sh!t aren't going to be much of a threat to a scout with half a brain).
My other dropsuit is a Python.
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Happy Violentime
OMFGZOMBIESRUN
265
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Posted - 2014.03.18 00:21:00 -
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90 shield 180 armour LULZ i has more ehp on a scout dumbass |
Louis Domi
Pradox One Proficiency V.
48
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Posted - 2014.03.18 00:24:00 -
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http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/221/695 |
Godin Thekiller
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
1884
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Posted - 2014.03.18 00:37:00 -
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Louis Domi wrote:http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/221/695
until that thing reads right, invalid fit... hold on
'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever!
Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
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Joseph Ridgeson
WarRavens League of Infamy
738
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Posted - 2014.03.18 00:47:00 -
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So Logistics are already better 'Assaults' than Assaults. I wonder if them being better 'Scouts' than Scouts will cause CCP to rethink the possible "balance issues" with the Logistics.
Reminds me of CoDzilla. "Ohh, the Cleric or Druid is a support class. They would neve- OH DEAR GOD, WHAT HAVE WE DONE?!" |
C0TS
Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic
32
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Posted - 2014.03.18 00:52:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:You know that fitting's wrong due to protofits giving cloaks the logi bonus, right?
Wouldn't matter. I would just lose the 2 RE's or Proto nades or/and the Proto focused scanner. It would get under anything but a 3/4 cal scout and a logi gal scanner focused. I
There so much to play with at 5 lows whether it be stamina or good sprint speed and it would have better stats in armor rep, shield recharge etc. the point wasn't to make it great, it's to show its possible to fit adv cloak or Proto cloak on a decent logi. It can have multiple roles using dampeners or stacking eHP and the ability to choose many weapon options and equipment options. These options aren't available to scouts who are suppose to use cloaks but have weapon limitations sometimes or any other class who cant afford to equip a cloak.
There just so much CPU/PG to play with, if CCP thinks this will end slayer logi's they were wrong. Making scouts appealing will help move slayer logis to scouts (team players will use cal scout which should be annoying).
The only way to end them is to require each specialist to used a mandatory slot for their specialty. Much like they mandate certain weapons with certain classes (min scouts, all commandos). Or they can make cloaks only available on a scout because thats the goal isn't it?
And if a cloak is an equipment, which it is 100%, logis should be able to use them with their bonus. It's just stupid to have all equipment but not that ones... Seems fair for the rest of us but poor logic to a class already getting ripped off on their equipment from 1.7 to 1.8
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