DUST Search - PSA abou tthe refund and event SP

Master Smurf wrote:

Ghosts Chance wrote:

Master Smurf wrote:

Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:

Hacking 5 is a SP Sink you only hack 1 second faster from 3 --> 5 and it takes like 1Mil+ SP.

To me its the same with CPU and PG

If you get to Lv 3 and you can fit what you like to boss on the field then go ahead and improve your other stuff to fit your playstyle -whether that is range or dampening or weapon proficiency.

I hope new players dont just grind CPU and PG first instead of enjoying the game and trying out some weapons and nailing down a playstyle.

new players arnt the ones getting massive amounts of SP back from the DScommand refund :P

its those middleground players who have been here a while and spent their points all willy nilly trying to figure out their playstyle thats im specifically talking to, and vets who may not have polished up those 5s yet.

Agreed - I see this but the OP quickly moved into this line of thinking this is the best way to go.

Newer players may see this and try to go that route when in fact the grind for little reward may put them off the game.

Look how many can run cheap suits well because they have good gun game or are smart - how does CPU/PG help them on the field? Thats the only perspective I wanted to show.

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Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 825	Posted - 2014.03.17 21:20:00 - [31] - Quote Supernus Gigas wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: Huh? Why would you say that? What did I say to draw your ire? Not that it matters, but I am curious....Lead Melee is a way of life. Your ignorance of the great Myrofibril Stimulant is saddening. Those "useless" mods can augment your melee damage something fierce. Does 619 Damage a punch sound useless? Come, read this. Become enlightened by the greatness of Myrofibril Stimulants and Melee. Come 1.8, I will be ripping peoples hearts out of their chest with my Minmatar Sentinel. Ah ha! I follow you now. Thanks for the explanation. I'm not sure how NKs aren't a much better weapon in this regard, and I'm still waiting on my first death from a dedicated melee user, but if that's how you have fun with Dust, I say more power to you!
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1609	Posted - 2014.03.17 21:23:00 - [32] - Quote It's aprox 20 mil to max cores, but you don't necessarily need to max out everything, though I would recommend getting every skill with a passive bonus to 5. Seeing "Scan Attempt prevented" on a starter fit is a good feeling. Supporter of tiericide, EVE interaction, and a proper NPE SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
COVERT SUBTERFUGE PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 655	Posted - 2014.03.17 21:29:00 - [33] - Quote Hacking, electronics, engineering, range, precision, dampening. Feels good when they're all 5. Proud Minmatar scout - Republic Merc 6/10 Immune to bitter/jaded vet syndrome Roll with the punches instead of QQing
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3488	Posted - 2014.03.17 21:31:00 - [34] - Quote Christiphoros von Poe wrote: What is the estimated total amount of SP to max those all out? Maxing out every skill in upgrades is roughly 17 million SP As for the important ones? My guess is somewhere around 13 million. CPU/PG, Shields/Armor, Hacking, A few equipment, profile dampening and Scan range, Biotics, Kincats and Cardiacs. This is a scout list. Welcome to the SP sink. Only one that is worse is the Logi Sink Shudder Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face. I've got 3k likes, I'll double post if I want to dammit!
Master Smurf Nos Nothi 218	Posted - 2014.03.17 21:36:00 - [35] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Hacking 5 is a SP Sink you only hack 1 second faster from 3 --> 5 and it takes like 1Mil+ SP. To me its the same with CPU and PG If you get to Lv 3 and you can fit what you like to boss on the field then go ahead and improve your other stuff to fit your playstyle -whether that is range or dampening or weapon proficiency. I hope new players dont just grind CPU and PG first instead of enjoying the game and trying out some weapons and nailing down a playstyle. "Shine bright like a diamond"
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1359	Posted - 2014.03.17 21:39:00 - [36] - Quote Master Smurf wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Hacking 5 is a SP Sink you only hack 1 second faster from 3 --> 5 and it takes like 1Mil+ SP. To me its the same with CPU and PG If you get to Lv 3 and you can fit what you like to boss on the field then go ahead and improve your other stuff to fit your playstyle -whether that is range or dampening or weapon proficiency. I hope new players dont just grind CPU and PG first instead of enjoying the game and trying out some weapons and nailing down a playstyle. new players arnt the ones getting massive amounts of SP back from the DScommand refund :P its those middleground players who have been here a while and spent their points all willy nilly trying to figure out their playstyle thats im specifically talking to, and vets who may not have polished up those 5s yet.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1826	Posted - 2014.03.17 21:41:00 - [37] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: apparently hacking is grosely underestimated the reason its a 5x skill is becuase of how many advantages it gives you, its one of the most important skills. Hack is so overrated it isn't even funny. There is no real change whatsoever (it must be bugged or something cause it doesn't work). In short, do not, I repeat, DO NOT waste any SP on Systems Hacking. Worst. Skill. Ever. Arzadu Akbar Motherfuckers!!!! Closed Beta Bittervet Bomber
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1359	Posted - 2014.03.17 21:43:00 - [38] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: apparently hacking is grosely underestimated the reason its a 5x skill is becuase of how many advantages it gives you, its one of the most important skills. Hack is so overrated it isn't even funny. There is no real change whatsoever (it must be bugged or something cause it doesn't work). In short, do not, I repeat, DO NOT waste any SP on Systems Hacking. Worst. Skill. Ever. tell that to my 2.somethingsomething second hack speed compaired to your 10 second hack speed tell that to my 8ish second counterhack speed, vs your 20 second counterhack speed :P
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1826	Posted - 2014.03.17 21:49:00 - [39] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: apparently hacking is grosely underestimated the reason its a 5x skill is becuase of how many advantages it gives you, its one of the most important skills. Hack is so overrated it isn't even funny. There is no real change whatsoever (it must be bugged or something cause it doesn't work). In short, do not, I repeat, DO NOT waste any SP on Systems Hacking. Worst. Skill. Ever. tell that to my 2.somethingsomething second hack speed compaired to your 10 second hack speed tell that to my 8ish second counterhack speed, vs your 20 second counterhack speed :P Well, you must have DevHax or something because everyone I play with that has spent SP on Systems Hacking has agreed that it is a complete waste of time and SP. Arzadu Akbar Motherfuckers!!!! Closed Beta Bittervet Bomber
Master Smurf Nos Nothi 218	Posted - 2014.03.17 21:49:00 - [40] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: Master Smurf wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Hacking 5 is a SP Sink you only hack 1 second faster from 3 --> 5 and it takes like 1Mil+ SP. To me its the same with CPU and PG If you get to Lv 3 and you can fit what you like to boss on the field then go ahead and improve your other stuff to fit your playstyle -whether that is range or dampening or weapon proficiency. I hope new players dont just grind CPU and PG first instead of enjoying the game and trying out some weapons and nailing down a playstyle. new players arnt the ones getting massive amounts of SP back from the DScommand refund :P its those middleground players who have been here a while and spent their points all willy nilly trying to figure out their playstyle thats im specifically talking to, and vets who may not have polished up those 5s yet. Agreed - I see this but the OP quickly moved into this line of thinking this is the best way to go. Newer players may see this and try to go that route when in fact the grind for little reward may put them off the game. Look how many can run cheap suits well because they have good gun game or are smart - how does CPU/PG help them on the field? Thats the only perspective I wanted to show. "Shine bright like a diamond"

Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1362	Posted - 2014.03.17 21:56:00 - [41] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: apparently hacking is grosely underestimated the reason its a 5x skill is becuase of how many advantages it gives you, its one of the most important skills. Hack is so overrated it isn't even funny. There is no real change whatsoever (it must be bugged or something cause it doesn't work). In short, do not, I repeat, DO NOT waste any SP on Systems Hacking. Worst. Skill. Ever. tell that to my 2.somethingsomething second hack speed compaired to your 10 second hack speed tell that to my 8ish second counterhack speed, vs your 20 second counterhack speed :P Well, you must have DevHax or something because everyone I play with that has spent SP on Systems Hacking has agreed that it is a complete waste of time and SP. right now my hacking speed is 1.78 seconds to hack (minlogi with 4x complex hack mods and 3.55 seconds to counterhack..... i went and did the math and its disgusting thats in my PC hack suit though. JUST hacking level 5 and no other modules or bonuses brings your hacking speed down to 7.5 seconds saving you 2.5 seconds of time. and coutnerhacking is reduced to 15 seconds saving you 5 seconds of time... thats time spent not vulnerable to being shot in the back
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1362	Posted - 2014.03.17 22:00:00 - [42] - Quote Master Smurf wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: Master Smurf wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Hacking 5 is a SP Sink you only hack 1 second faster from 3 --> 5 and it takes like 1Mil+ SP. To me its the same with CPU and PG If you get to Lv 3 and you can fit what you like to boss on the field then go ahead and improve your other stuff to fit your playstyle -whether that is range or dampening or weapon proficiency. I hope new players dont just grind CPU and PG first instead of enjoying the game and trying out some weapons and nailing down a playstyle. new players arnt the ones getting massive amounts of SP back from the DScommand refund :P its those middleground players who have been here a while and spent their points all willy nilly trying to figure out their playstyle thats im specifically talking to, and vets who may not have polished up those 5s yet. Agreed - I see this but the OP quickly moved into this line of thinking this is the best way to go. Newer players may see this and try to go that route when in fact the grind for little reward may put them off the game. Look how many can run cheap suits well because they have good gun game or are smart - how does CPU/PG help them on the field? Thats the only perspective I wanted to show. cpu and PG help them build a better basic suit (or ADV suit) right now 99% of my time is spent in ADV gear, and while im an oddball for having 5mil SP spent on JUST combat rifles i can do amazing things in any races basic suit with any other weapon that i only have a single point into JUST becuase of my maxed passives, that CPU and PG really make the difference between me and some dude pretending hes a proto stomper but doesnt have the fitting skills to fit it out any better then my ADV suit. fitting skills turn adv suits into proto suits without all that additional isk cost. and unless your on a PC team its best to wait untill you have at LEAST level 4 in all your fittings to go to proto, having level 4 in the passive suit skill is good enough
DozersMouse XIII Ultramarine Corp 188	Posted - 2014.03.17 22:01:00 - [43] - Quote I somewhat disagree with the pg/cpu upgrading off the bat these skills you can train as your suit equipment/weapons progress it makes no sense to have a buttload of cpu/pg if you dont have the the crap to fill it my suggestion would go to profittings site and play around a bit as for the other passive skills I agree 100% Bacon pancakes makin' bacon pancakes Take some bacon and I'll put it a pancake Bacon pancakes thats what it's gonna make
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1362	Posted - 2014.03.17 22:06:00 - [44] - Quote DozersMouse XIII wrote: I somewhat disagree with the pg/cpu upgrading off the bat these skills you can train as your suit equipment/weapons progress it makes no sense to have a buttload of cpu/pg if you dont have the the crap to fill it my suggestion would go to profittings site and play around a bit as for the other passive skills I agree 100% my threads not about skills off the bat :P its about your refund and event SP
Nirwanda Vaughns Death Firm. 442	Posted - 2014.03.17 22:50:00 - [45] - Quote daft as it may sound gettign my red and green bottles to proto has been best thing i did. the extra speed and stamina on all suits is great for that little extra push. can't wait for my minny commando. Rolling with the punches
HAICD Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day 165	Posted - 2014.03.17 22:58:00 - [46] - Quote Don't skill into proto suits use FW to get proto suits use your skill on core and proficiency on your favorite gun (hope they don't Nerf it) HAICD DOWG
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 1738	Posted - 2014.03.17 22:58:00 - [47] - Quote Getting proto suit first. I have nearly all my cores maxed anyways. Just want to don the Quafe.
Warbot Titan X Badge of Blood 18	Posted - 2014.03.17 23:09:00 - [48] - Quote You know that moment when you play around with your fitting and it needs more than 5 CPU or PGU and you keep trying and trying to work around to keep that proto weapon in with lots of ehp.... Yeah, **** that. I'm finally going for lvl 5 on those skills. Closed Beta Veteran - Badge of Blood
Onesimus Tarsus Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1617	Posted - 2014.03.17 23:09:00 - [49] - Quote HAICD wrote: Don't skill into proto suits use FW to get proto suits use your skill on core and proficiency on your favorite gun (hope they don't Nerf it) Who needs proto suits when your cores are maxed and you have affordable ADV gear that chainsaws lil' baby seals? Level 3s in the house let me hear you shout! (by the way, CCP, I'm still waiting on the Nova Chainsaw... put in for it back in September!) Unless you're just *addicted* to wetsuit paperdolls...


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