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8213 wrote:

Missiles turned out to be a big flop in the large turret department I think.
They aren't necessary, and a Glass cannon does it with far more efficiency. And the amount of SP it takes to use Proto missiles makes for one heck of a railgun.

I will say a Large Missile Turret is the skilled tankers method of AV. You have to out maneuver and out think an enemy tank; essentially outplay him.
And when you do: INSTA-POP!

I do think that maybe missiles could use a range and damage buff. Maybe just a range buff. I think missiles should have the unlimited range, not a railgun. Its science.

A rail gun shoots a projectile that eventually has to lose inertia the further it travels. It should have fall off damage. If it comes out of the barrel with that much power, then the slow projectile travel time makes 0 sense.

Missiles however, carry their projectile propellant with them. Meaning they fire for as long as there is fuel in the rocket. The payload of the missile should never decrease over distance, as it stays tucked in the missile canister the entire flight.

Also, I think a locking type of turret for missiles would be cool too, but obviously either deliver less of a payload in a volley, or do less damage on contact.

In 1.7 I really dislike my tanks, because I have less options than ever before. Before I had different types of turrets I could choose from, modules of all kinds... now everything is dumbed down and streamline so a 5 year old can do it.

Sure, we all had the super blaster build in 1.6:
PG Upgrade, 2 Hardeners, Plate, Repair
Scanner, Damage Mod
Madrugar

Now, every tank is the same, and its just who has more SP into their build. No creativity and tank skills involved.

Now, you almost never see missiles in battle. Every tank engagment goes as such:
1st tank- easy-mode blaster.... eventually gets popped by a Sica
2nd tank- glass cannon revenge... evnetually gets recalled or popped
3rd tank- back to easy-mode blaster

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Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 2125	Posted - 2014.03.17 03:37:00 - [1] - Quote Kill a Particle Gunnlogi who knows you're there. With missiles. Assault ak.0 w/ScR+ScP 4LYFE "True says you have to let Lorhak yell at people in PIE GC from now on."
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 1719	Posted - 2014.03.17 03:39:00 - [2] - Quote I blew a tank up with a melee.
VikingKong iBUN Third Rock From The Sun 29	Posted - 2014.03.17 03:40:00 - [3] - Quote Joel II X wrote: I blew a tank up with a melee. screenshot or it didnt happen
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8309	Posted - 2014.03.17 03:42:00 - [4] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Kill a Particle Gunnlogi who knows you're there. With missiles. I did it with a blaster on the weekend. Missile = need SP to put in. " ..- -.- --. I wish I remembered morse code so I wasn't typing random letters" - Malleus Malificorum
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 2130	Posted - 2014.03.17 03:54:00 - [5] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Kill a Particle Gunnlogi who knows you're there. With missiles. I did it with a blaster on the weekend. Missile = need SP to put in. Nah you're a scrub. Missiles or GTFO. Assault ak.0 w/ScR+ScP 4LYFE "True says you have to let Lorhak yell at people in PIE GC from now on."
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8309	Posted - 2014.03.17 03:58:00 - [6] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: True Adamance wrote: Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Kill a Particle Gunnlogi who knows you're there. With missiles. I did it with a blaster on the weekend. Missile = need SP to put in. Nah you're a scrub. Missiles or GTFO. Well I certainly am never inviting you to my squad again after you and Jason whine to 15 min. " ..- -.- --. I wish I remembered morse code so I wasn't typing random letters" - Malleus Malificorum
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 2130	Posted - 2014.03.17 04:01:00 - [7] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: True Adamance wrote: Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Kill a Particle Gunnlogi who knows you're there. With missiles. I did it with a blaster on the weekend. Missile = need SP to put in. Nah you're a scrub. Missiles or GTFO. Well I certainly am never inviting you to my squad again after you and Jason whine to 15 min. I am offended. It was only 14 minutes. Assault ak.0 w/ScR+ScP 4LYFE "True says you have to let Lorhak yell at people in PIE GC from now on."
Sir Dukey KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 387	Posted - 2014.03.17 04:05:00 - [8] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Kill a Particle Gunnlogi who knows you're there. With missiles. I did, he had no HP mods and I was running my Damage modded XT-201s and we came face to face. (I knew He was there so I had my mods preheated for dis beech) And His modules were down after he took care of a friendly noob soma. Too bad he was in the wrong place at the wrong time.
8213 BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1777	Posted - 2014.03.17 04:22:00 - [9] - Quote Missiles turned out to be a big flop in the large turret department I think. They aren't necessary, and a Glass cannon does it with far more efficiency. And the amount of SP it takes to use Proto missiles makes for one heck of a railgun. I will say a Large Missile Turret is the skilled tankers method of AV. You have to out maneuver and out think an enemy tank; essentially outplay him. And when you do: INSTA-POP! I do think that maybe missiles could use a range and damage buff. Maybe just a range buff. I think missiles should have the unlimited range, not a railgun. Its science. A rail gun shoots a projectile that eventually has to lose inertia the further it travels. It should have fall off damage. If it comes out of the barrel with that much power, then the slow projectile travel time makes 0 sense. Missiles however, carry their projectile propellant with them. Meaning they fire for as long as there is fuel in the rocket. The payload of the missile should never decrease over distance, as it stays tucked in the missile canister the entire flight. Also, I think a locking type of turret for missiles would be cool too, but obviously either deliver less of a payload in a volley, or do less damage on contact. In 1.7 I really dislike my tanks, because I have less options than ever before. Before I had different types of turrets I could choose from, modules of all kinds... now everything is dumbed down and streamline so a 5 year old can do it. Sure, we all had the super blaster build in 1.6: PG Upgrade, 2 Hardeners, Plate, Repair Scanner, Damage Mod Madrugar Now, every tank is the same, and its just who has more SP into their build. No creativity and tank skills involved. Now, you almost never see missiles in battle. Every tank engagment goes as such: 1st tank- easy-mode blaster.... eventually gets popped by a Sica 2nd tank- glass cannon revenge... evnetually gets recalled or popped 3rd tank- back to easy-mode blaster I ain't got time for dat sh!t
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 2133	Posted - 2014.03.17 04:30:00 - [10] - Quote @8213 I was in a random squad the other day playing ambush, pulled my XTs. One guy in my squad pulled a Neutron Maddy, another guy did a rail gunny of some kind. I run around spamming at reds and they're like 'What! Guys look, it's a missile tank!' And some people think Commandos are unicorns. Assault ak.0 w/ScR+ScP 4LYFE "True says you have to let Lorhak yell at people in PIE GC from now on."

Supernus Gigas sNk Syndicate 468	Posted - 2014.03.17 04:51:00 - [11] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Kill a Particle Gunnlogi who knows you're there. With missiles. I've done this. No seriously, I have. Story time. Iron Delta. There I was cruising around feeling cool in my XT-201 Gunnlogi. Several enemy tanks had already fallen to my hungry missiles. After some time of no action, I got careless. I drove past the enemy Redline and then in an instant I lose nearly all my HP and then lose the rest a split second later. After dying in a burning wreck to the fiendish Particle Gunnlogi, I see him on the overview map sitting a top a hill in his Redline. I prepare a route to take where he'll have very little line of sight, then I deploy. The poor fellow must have suffered from tunnel vision, because I got awfully close before he started to fire at me. I took cover behind one of the large cylinder structures while the idiot continued to fire pointlessly at me. Then I made my move. I activated my Damage Mod and then my Shield Hardener for safe measure. I left my cover and began to take fire. Even with a hardener, my shield began to quickly wither. I took swift aim, and fired all twelve of my Damage Modified XT-201 Missiles into his weak glass cannon carapace. Within a second he was naught but a smoldering heap of quickly disintegrating metal. I may have lost a tank that match, but taking that Redline bastard out was more a victory to me than winning the match was. *FIRE UP THE HEAVY MEAT GRINDER! WE'RE HAVIN' CLONE BURGERS TONIGHT, BOYS!*
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 2136	Posted - 2014.03.17 05:00:00 - [12] - Quote I've also done this :P My favourite one is when I manage to force him to use his hardener, nitrous away (yes I fit nitrous to a missile Gunny), wrap around to his rear and damage mod a volley through his hardener. Real men do it with missiles. "True says I have to let Lorhak yell at people in PIE GC from now on."
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5174	Posted - 2014.03.17 05:20:00 - [13] - Quote I went 1v1 against a Nyain San Python using only an Advanced Plasma Cannon... and won. P.S. I take that back. He did have back up on the ground. A splashed him once and finished him with a melee/pistol combo. *1st Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole* -Title Awarded by True Adamance
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 2138	Posted - 2014.03.17 05:22:00 - [14] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: I went 1v1 against a Nyain San Python using only an Advanced Plasma Cannon... and won. Nope, you're too hardcore for me. Hiding your posts so I don't cry anymore. I hope you're happy. Real men do it with missiles. "True says I have to let Lorhak yell at people in PIE GC from now on."
Crimson ShieId Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 209	Posted - 2014.03.17 05:41:00 - [15] - Quote I can throw RE's pretty far... do those count? Nova Knives are OP! Nerf em before you lose all your proto suits!
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 2138	Posted - 2014.03.17 05:48:00 - [16] - Quote Crimson ShieId wrote: I can throw RE's pretty far... do those count? You need to use a UP weapon. Real men do it with missiles. "True says I have to let Lorhak yell at people in PIE GC from now on."
BARDAS Shining Flame Amarr Empire 813	Posted - 2014.03.17 05:58:00 - [17] - Quote Joel II X wrote: I blew a tank up with a melee. Killed a tank with a Flux grenade back when they were bugged and killing people at seemingly random. Was funny to me, but I bet that tanker was pretty pissed off lol... Saw someone once kill one with a shotgun blast while it was fleeing from some Swarms. Shotgun must have got the last sliver of health like your Melee did I assume.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 11237	Posted - 2014.03.17 07:18:00 - [18] - Quote Does a plasma cannon count? You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 2141	Posted - 2014.03.17 07:57:00 - [19] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Does a plasma cannon count? As I said to Kirk, that is sphincter-puckeringly hardcore. Although it would be even more impressive if you soloed an Ion Maddy with PLC :P Real men do it with missiles. "True says I have to let Lorhak yell at people in PIE GC from now on."
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1158	Posted - 2014.03.17 07:58:00 - [20] - Quote I did it Wednesday with swarm missiles, Lai Dai grenades and 3 RE's. He spotted me after I placed the last RE, I dodged his flailing rail shots while chucking my 3 Lai Dai's. He hit his booster, I set off my RE's, then fired a clip of swarms at him as he ran away. I lucked out, he was all damage mods and had no shield hardners and had only a weak booster on his tank. All the same though, a tank kill is a tank kill and I'll take it where I can get it. So.... does this mean I win Dust? Or do swarm missiles not count? MAG ~ Raven

Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 2141	Posted - 2014.03.17 08:02:00 - [21] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: I did it Wednesday with swarm missiles, Lai Dai grenades and 3 RE's. He spotted me after I placed the last RE, I dodged his flailing rail shots while chucking my 3 Lai Dai's. He hit his booster, I set off my RE's, then fired a clip of swarms at him as he ran away. I lucked out, he was all damage mods and had no shield hardners and had only a weak booster on his tank. All the same though, a tank kill is a tank kill and I'll take it where I can get it. So.... does this mean I win Dust? Or do swarm missiles not count? Yeah, counts for my purposes. I would love to know why so many people leave the redline without a shield hardener ... Real men do it with missiles. "True says I have to let Lorhak yell at people in PIE GC from now on."
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1158	Posted - 2014.03.17 08:03:00 - [22] - Quote 8213 wrote: Missiles turned out to be a big flop in the large turret department I think. They aren't necessary, and a Glass cannon does it with far more efficiency. And the amount of SP it takes to use Proto missiles makes for one heck of a railgun. I will say a Large Missile Turret is the skilled tankers method of AV. You have to out maneuver and out think an enemy tank; essentially outplay him. And when you do: INSTA-POP! I do think that maybe missiles could use a range and damage buff. Maybe just a range buff. I think missiles should have the unlimited range, not a railgun. Its science. A rail gun shoots a projectile that eventually has to lose inertia the further it travels. It should have fall off damage. If it comes out of the barrel with that much power, then the slow projectile travel time makes 0 sense. Missiles however, carry their projectile propellant with them. Meaning they fire for as long as there is fuel in the rocket. The payload of the missile should never decrease over distance, as it stays tucked in the missile canister the entire flight. Also, I think a locking type of turret for missiles would be cool too, but obviously either deliver less of a payload in a volley, or do less damage on contact. In 1.7 I really dislike my tanks, because I have less options than ever before. Before I had different types of turrets I could choose from, modules of all kinds... now everything is dumbed down and streamline so a 5 year old can do it. Sure, we all had the super blaster build in 1.6: PG Upgrade, 2 Hardeners, Plate, Repair Scanner, Damage Mod Madrugar Now, every tank is the same, and its just who has more SP into their build. No creativity and tank skills involved. Now, you almost never see missiles in battle. Every tank engagment goes as such: 1st tank- easy-mode blaster.... eventually gets popped by a Sica 2nd tank- glass cannon revenge... evnetually gets recalled or popped 3rd tank- back to easy-mode blaster Using your logic, I hereby claim that each individual swarm missile should have unlimited range and should fly as fast and have equal damage to corresponding tiered turret fired missiles! Also, an AV turret would not need a damage drop since it would be an AV weapon only, unable to dumbfire on infantry. MAG ~ Raven
MarasdF Loron Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 214	Posted - 2014.03.17 08:19:00 - [23] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: I did it Wednesday with swarm missiles, Lai Dai grenades and 3 RE's. He spotted me after I placed the last RE, I dodged his flailing rail shots while chucking my 3 Lai Dai's. He hit his booster, I set off my RE's, then fired a clip of swarms at him as he ran away. I lucked out, he was all damage mods and had no shield hardners and had only a weak booster on his tank. All the same though, a tank kill is a tank kill and I'll take it where I can get it. So.... does this mean I win Dust? Or do swarm missiles not count? Yeah, counts for my purposes. I would love to know why so many people leave the redline without a shield hardener ... I would love to know why so many people stay on the redline with a shield hardener... R.I.P. Pre-1.7 tanks, you will be missed.


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