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Aeon Amadi Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 5216	Posted - 2014.03.17 03:05:00 - [1] - Quote Here's some devblogs from Eve Online's first year showing some of the crazy growing pains the game experienced, some are actually kinda reminiscent of what we've experienced on Dust 514! Most of these are relatively short though some of the later ones are a bit lengthy. Enjoy Dev blog regarding 50% skill boost with the penalty of perma death Dev blog regarding new character exploit (coincidence?) Dev blog regarding local chat cutting in and out, incidentally, setting the stage for a huge argument a decade later Apparently the Stasis Web was by accident and Devs were placed on administrative leave There was a problem with Eve Login credentials being 'unsafe' on the website Bug. Super bug. Apocalypta-Bug Memory leaks, lag, server reboots Game-Breaker Bug The first DDoS Considering removing the 'Self Destruct' option due to it being a 'kind of exploit' Useful Links //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133588 //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134182
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 13423	Posted - 2014.03.17 03:11:00 - [2] - Quote Oh wow. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Harpyja Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1288	Posted - 2014.03.17 03:14:00 - [3] - Quote I think I picked the best one to start with... "sororicide." I think that just made my day "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
Roy Ventus Axis of Chaos 1392	Posted - 2014.03.17 03:18:00 - [4] - Quote I wish this would shut up all those fans who think Dust will easily be shut down. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
thesupertman Better Hide R Die 173	Posted - 2014.03.17 03:37:00 - [5] - Quote Dust still has hope! This game need more vehicles! dangCCPyou'reslowpickupthepace
Auris Lionesse Capital Acquisitions LLC Renegade Alliance 456	Posted - 2014.03.17 03:51:00 - [6] - Quote Does that mean Webifiers were made by accident? And we could accidentally rollback av to 1.6 where it belongs? Gallente Heavy Ninja Turtles! Gallente Heavy Ninja Turtles! Heroes in a half Gank! *TURTLE POWER!!!*
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 13424	Posted - 2014.03.17 04:54:00 - [7] - Quote Funny how we got the same issues still too. I mean suicide in dust is a problem as well. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 3544	Posted - 2014.03.17 05:32:00 - [8] - Quote Another good read. Much better than reading the same repeated drivel Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Funny how we got the same issues still too. I mean suicide in dust is a problem as well. Ha, yea I was thinking the same thing. This had me laughing a bit Quote: Shortly after the servers on Tranquility were patched last Wednesday we discovered a memory leak on them. 'Discovering' might be an understatement as the nodes actually gobbled up all the memory in few hours and then blew up in our faces. Nice delivery! Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 1816	Posted - 2014.03.17 05:39:00 - [9] - Quote Sweet find Aeon =) Great seeing old posts from LeKjart and Hellmar. Gives us a scale to calibrate DUST QQ against. I support SP rollover.
TEXA5 HiTM4N ROGUE SPADES 457	Posted - 2014.03.17 05:41:00 - [10] - Quote not to be a downer but you would think the same mistakes made for years in EVE wouldn't show up and stay for over a year in dust. Everything I say or do has the utmost importance.

Roy Ventus Axis of Chaos 1395	Posted - 2014.03.17 05:57:00 - [11] - Quote TEXA5 HiTM4N wrote: not to be a downer but you would think the same mistakes made for years in EVE wouldn't show up and stay for over a year in dust. Considering that there two different types of games, I could see it. Plus I think Dust had a lot more ambition thrown on it's back at the get go than EVE. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
BARDAS Shining Flame Amarr Empire 813	Posted - 2014.03.17 06:01:00 - [12] - Quote The only thing that would effectively "kill" Dust would be keeping it on the aging PS3 platform once most of the user base moves onto next gen consoles. I don't get why this isn't a PC game really. Much better longevity with that platform since you don't have to worry about consoles turning into dinosaurs.
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1707	Posted - 2014.03.17 06:03:00 - [13] - Quote Ah, great, now you made me even more depression about the game. ;) Another fact that CCP never learn from their mistakes... How could they not see the new character exploits coming?? Dont they share huge fckups to new employees and studios, so they dont have to do the same mistakes? Drop it like its hat*.
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 3546	Posted - 2014.03.17 06:08:00 - [14] - Quote BARDAS wrote: The only thing that would effectively "kill" Dust would be keeping it on the aging PS3 platform once most of the user base moves onto next gen consoles. I don't get why this isn't a PC game really. Much better longevity with that platform since you don't have to worry about consoles turning into dinosaurs. So you're implying that Dark Soul's II, Tomb Raider, Crysis 2, Battlefield 4 and Grand Theft Auto 5 are not fine examples that PS3 tech has plenty of life in them? Most of that user base were just field testers for the new system. I'm waiting until the middle of the year, close to christmas to get a PS4. Give me the refined model, not the test runs. PS3 tech has plenty of life in it till then... Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 3546	Posted - 2014.03.17 06:10:00 - [15] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: Ah, great, now you made me even more depression about the game. ;) Another fact that CCP never learn from their mistakes... How could they not see the new character exploits coming?? Dont they share huge fckups to new employees and studios, so they dont have to do the same mistakes? The thread is to show you that any start of a new game with such ambition is bound to have its problems. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.* Are you OUKH?
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 1721	Posted - 2014.03.17 06:35:00 - [16] - Quote Nice find, Aeon. My hope is that with the guidance of Iceland devs with experience, as well as the CPM and the playerbase's help, we can take less than ten years to make DUST the game that we all deserve. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
dustwaffle Xer Cloud Consortium 744	Posted - 2014.03.17 06:36:00 - [17] - Quote If history repeats itself, I can't wait for patchday boot.ini :D
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 1721	Posted - 2014.03.17 06:38:00 - [18] - Quote dustwaffle wrote: If history repeats itself, I can't wait for patchday boot.ini :D They've been killing PS3s for like a year already. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
BARDAS Shining Flame Amarr Empire 813	Posted - 2014.03.17 06:38:00 - [19] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: BARDAS wrote: The only thing that would effectively "kill" Dust would be keeping it on the aging PS3 platform once most of the user base moves onto next gen consoles. I don't get why this isn't a PC game really. Much better longevity with that platform since you don't have to worry about consoles turning into dinosaurs. So you're implying that Dark Soul's II, Tomb Raider, Crysis 2, Battlefield 4 and Grand Theft Auto 5 are not fine examples that PS3 tech has plenty of life in them? Most of that user base were just field testers for the new system. I'm waiting until the middle of the year, close to christmas to get a PS4. Give me the refined model, not the test runs. PS3 tech has plenty of life in it till then... I'm not talking about immediately. There are still TONS of people who have not adopted the new gen consoles. Over the next couple years though you will see a big migration of people.
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1707	Posted - 2014.03.17 06:41:00 - [20] - Quote This game is now new, its almost one year old. Still plagued with such uber broken things as mentioned above. I have asked this before, and will ask it again: Is this game being developed by 1-2 guys in college as a side project to their studies? Certainly feels so. Drop it like its hat.

Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 1721	Posted - 2014.03.17 13:41:00 - [21] - Quote Spectral, there's a lot more than 1-2 guys working on DUST, but it's still a small team and budget compared to other titles. Companies like Activision and EA drop 150 million on a title. CCP's R&D budget for ALL four of their games this year? 56 million. Also, bump for the morning crowd, it's a good thread. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1711	Posted - 2014.03.17 13:50:00 - [22] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Spectral, there's a lot more than 1-2 guys working on DUST, but it's still a small team and budget compared to other titles. Companies like Activision and EA drop 150 million on a title. CCP's R&D budget for ALL four of their games this year? 56 million. Also, bump for the morning crowd, it's a good thread. Its not reasonable to think that 100% of Dust 514-¦s devs were working on updating Uprising. Even if they have only 20 people or whatever working on the project. R&D investments are related to new stuff i.e. Dust 514-¦s future and EVE: Valkyrie. Its not about maintaining the Uprising patch, that would be under some other development cost. Drop it like its hat.
Sir Snugglz Red Star. EoN. 518	Posted - 2014.03.17 13:55:00 - [23] - Quote I feel like the devs more were open back down. Now they remain in silence when something occurred. If i was an eve player when those errors occurred I wouldn't rage as much as I do in Dust. Each blog I was like, "Ok, I understand. Take your time and make sure you fix it properly." With Dust however, I'm like whats going on, things dont work, everything is broken, start taking my router and ps3 apart... only to realize it had nothing to do with me at all. -Pro AFKing LVL 5 -Luck is just one of my skills -Just because I make flying look easy doesn't mean it is
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 1816	Posted - 2014.03.17 15:33:00 - [24] - Quote Sir Snugglz wrote: I feel like the devs more were open back down. Now they remain in silence when something occurred. If i was an eve player when those errors occurred I wouldn't rage as much as I do in Dust. Each blog I was like, "Ok, I understand. Take your time and make sure you fix it properly." With Dust however, I'm like whats going on, things dont work, everything is broken, start taking my router and ps3 apart... only to realize it had nothing to do with me at all. The devs were much more open back then - imo a lot of what we're experiencing with the evolution of DUST and our complaints about communication stem from outsourcing development to China. That's not a good or bad thing in and of itself, but there's been a few threads from peeps who are developers and have worked on other outsourced projects. The punchline is that the problems we're experiencing are not unique to DUST. When you couple that with the exceptional communication between developers and players that we enjoy in EVE peeps are naturally dissatisfied with the hand we're being dealt in DUST. One of the fundamental differences informing the quality of communication between players and DUST devs and EVE devs is our access to developer conversations. There are programmers and engineers working in Shanghai who we will never have the opportunity to talk to or interact with. For many of those devs everything they hear re player feedback on the game will be filtered and interpreted and contextualized through somebody else. Poor communications are a secondary issue though - the problem looms much larger than it ought to atm because CCP has made a long string of bad decisions that have directly affected gameplay, often after the playerbase has warned them of impending trouble. If CCP had made a long line of good decisions we wouldn't be so disgruntled with the state of the 'dialog'. tl:dr - when it comes to communication we can do better. In fact doing better is a very low-hanging fruit. I support SP rollover.
steadyhand amarr TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 2590	Posted - 2014.03.17 16:29:00 - [25] - Quote dustwaffle wrote: If history repeats itself, I can't wait for patchday boot.ini :D I nearly failed my GCSE history corsework because of that bug.... I feel old. However i loled at the DONT RESTART YOUR PC messages that got spammed everywhere :-P "i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers
Kristoff Atruin Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1858	Posted - 2014.03.17 16:47:00 - [26] - Quote TEXA5 HiTM4N wrote: not to be a downer but you would think the same mistakes made for years in EVE wouldn't show up and stay for over a year in dust. Different genres, different development studios and different teams. Few of the developers who were working at CCP back then are still there. Infamously, the player owned station (aka towers) code was written by people who are no longer with the company. The code itself was a big hack job, making the game do something it was never originally designed to do. The result is that now nobody knows entirely how it works and they're reluctant to mess with it too much in case it falls apart. So instead of updating the existing POS system they're building an entirely new system of deployable structures that will eventually replace that. At some point they'll likely be able to retire it completely and have a new, more maintainable system in place. So if the developers 10 years ago learned some valuable lessons about development there's really no mechanism for those lessons to be transferred down the line to new hires. Common problem in IT, there's no substitute for personal experience...and you only get experience by doing things the wrong way and then learning why the way you did it was wrong.
MrShooter01 Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 609	Posted - 2014.03.17 17:00:00 - [27] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: dustwaffle wrote: If history repeats itself, I can't wait for patchday boot.ini :D I nearly failed my GCSE history corsework because of that bug.... I feel old. However i loled at the DONT RESTART YOUR PC messages that got spammed everywhere :-P https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msXRFJ2ar_E
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7421	Posted - 2014.03.17 17:08:00 - [28] - Quote TEXA5 HiTM4N wrote: not to be a downer but you would think the same mistakes made for years in EVE wouldn't show up and stay for over a year in dust. Not really. Two completely different genres involved here. On top of that there is also the fact that one game is run by a Carbon Architecture while the other game is run by the Unreal Engine. One is on a PC and the other on a Console. Therefore it is still highly likely that the same mistakes will happen regardless. Eve Valkyrie doesn't seem to report any problems so far but that's because, just like Eve, it's based on the PC and it likely running on the same architecture. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Aeon Amadi Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 5228	Posted - 2014.03.17 18:06:00 - [29] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: TEXA5 HiTM4N wrote: not to be a downer but you would think the same mistakes made for years in EVE wouldn't show up and stay for over a year in dust. Not really. Two completely different genres involved here. On top of that there is also the fact that one game is run by a Carbon Architecture while the other game is run by the Unreal Engine. One is on a PC and the other on a Console. Therefore it is still highly likely that the same mistakes will happen regardless. Eve Valkyrie doesn't seem to report any problems so far but that's because, just like Eve, it's based on the PC and it likely running on the same architecture. Bear in mind it's also two completely different studios, each with their own personal experiences in intellectual design I know a lot about Paint Tool SAI but if you stick Photoshop in my face, I'm likely not going to know what the hell I'm doing. Useful Links //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133588 //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134182
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 13432	Posted - 2014.03.17 20:47:00 - [30] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: dustwaffle wrote: If history repeats itself, I can't wait for patchday boot.ini :D I nearly failed my GCSE history corsework because of that bug.... I feel old. However i loled at the DONT RESTART YOUR PC messages that got spammed everywhere :-P https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msXRFJ2ar_E This was made months after the error though, and that's hilmar to the left. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked



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