DUST Search - Proposal: Give Amarr scout an additional hacking bonus

Aero Yassavi wrote:

Following up on this thread where I took any Amarr scout fit and converted it into a Gallente fit that is simply better, it becomes clear that the Amarr scout needs something else to make it a little more appealing. The most obvious answer is to give it a better bonus. Every other scout has a primary racial bonus and a secondary bonus. Some people may say the Amarr scout does too, except stamina and stamina regen are covered in the same module so not really, it makes it too easy for another scout to simply better it in everything as in the above linked thread.

So what secondary bonus? Some people suggest something with armor plates, but let's be honest that doesn't sound very scout-y. Others suggest sticking with biotics, except giving it a sprint speed bonus would impede on Minmatar's territory, as well as a melee damage bonus. And that's when it hit me. Gallente and Caldari scout both share one bonus and then have a unique one. So what if the same was done for the Amarr and Minmatar?

Amarr Scout: 5% bonus to stamina/regen and hacking speed per level.

Thoughts?

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Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7592	Posted - 2014.03.17 00:32:00 - [1] - Quote Following up on this thread where I took any Amarr scout fit and converted it into a Gallente fit that is simply better, it becomes clear that the Amarr scout needs something else to make it a little more appealing. The most obvious answer is to give it a better bonus. Every other scout has a primary racial bonus and a secondary bonus. Some people may say the Amarr scout does too, except stamina and stamina regen are covered in the same module so not really, it makes it too easy for another scout to simply better it in everything as in the above linked thread. So what secondary bonus? Some people suggest something with armor plates, but let's be honest that doesn't sound very scout-y. Others suggest sticking with biotics, except giving it a sprint speed bonus would impede on Minmatar's territory, as well as a melee damage bonus. And that's when it hit me. Gallente and Caldari scout both share one bonus and then have a unique one. So what if the same was done for the Amarr and Minmatar? Amarr Scout: 5% bonus to stamina/regen and hacking speed per level. Thoughts? "You're not even Aero, you're just Aero's friend."
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 7444	Posted - 2014.03.17 00:33:00 - [2] - Quote I approve of such meow Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. DUST514514
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 13420	Posted - 2014.03.17 00:33:00 - [3] - Quote Min with hack module would probably outperform still in every way possible. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7592	Posted - 2014.03.17 00:35:00 - [4] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Min with hack module would probably outperform still in every way possible. It would be a different take on a similar role, much like the Gallente and Caldari are different takes on the similar role of scanning. Most importantly this would give the Amarr scout something that would prevent the Gallente scout from simply outperforming it in every area, as in the thread I linked above. It'd definitely help make it feel like the Amarr scout has a real purpose. "You're not even Aero, you're just Aero's friend."
One Eyed King Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 621	Posted - 2014.03.17 00:39:00 - [5] - Quote This is reasonable. Looking for the scout hangout?
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 5802	Posted - 2014.03.17 00:40:00 - [6] - Quote Aren't the Minmatar supposed to be the speed hackers? How about a bonus to SCP clip size? That seems better fit for the Amarr Scout. AV > HAV > INF > AV \| Not: HAV > AV GëÑ INF [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8301	Posted - 2014.03.17 00:40:00 - [7] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Following up on this thread where I took any Amarr scout fit and converted it into a Gallente fit that is simply better, it becomes clear that the Amarr scout needs something else to make it a little more appealing. The most obvious answer is to give it a better bonus. Every other scout has a primary racial bonus and a secondary bonus. Some people may say the Amarr scout does too, except stamina and stamina regen are covered in the same module so not really, it makes it too easy for another scout to simply better it in everything as in the above linked thread. So what secondary bonus? Some people suggest something with armor plates, but let's be honest that doesn't sound very scout-y. Others suggest sticking with biotics, except giving it a sprint speed bonus would impede on Minmatar's territory, as well as a melee damage bonus. And that's when it hit me. Gallente and Caldari scout both share one bonus and then have a unique one. So what if the same was done for the Amarr and Minmatar? Amarr Scout: 5% bonus to stamina/regen and hacking speed per level. Thoughts? I still support the increase from 5% to 7 % per level. " ..- -.- --. I wish I remembered morse code so I wasn't typing random letters" - Malleus Malificorum
Rogue Saint Science For Death 1021	Posted - 2014.03.17 00:42:00 - [8] - Quote Isn't the Amarr scout gold? isn't that enough? GôêGÆ+GÆ+GÆ¦ - Causes headaches, it's official +1 for Infantry Skills Refund in 1.8 or I win DUST514
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7595	Posted - 2014.03.17 00:44:00 - [9] - Quote Atiim wrote: Aren't the Minmatar supposed to be the speed hackers? How about a bonus to SCP clip size? That seems better fit for the Amarr Scout. The only thing the Minmatar are supposed to be is the fastest, everything else is pretty subjective. Similar to how both Gallente and Caldari scouts have scan range bonuses, I believe something like this where both Amarr and Minmatar have hack speed bonuses could create interesting play between the suits. Gallente and Caldari being more EWAR oriented while Amarr and Minmatar being more "sabotage" oriented. "You're not even Aero, you're just Aero's friend."
DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4574	Posted - 2014.03.17 00:45:00 - [10] - Quote I won't say no to a more/better bonuses :D GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢ Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà Forum Warrior LV. 5 \| Warframe is awesome! \| PSN: I-NINJA-ALL-DAY

Martyr Saboteur Amarrtyrs 261	Posted - 2014.03.17 00:45:00 - [11] - Quote Sure. Totally not Fizzer94's forum alt. Definitely just a random dude.
Kain Spero Escrow Removal and Acquisition Negative-Feedback 3038	Posted - 2014.03.17 00:55:00 - [12] - Quote Like this idea. +1 Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and CPM news
Faquira Bleuetta Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 295	Posted - 2014.03.17 00:58:00 - [13] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Following up on this thread where I took any Amarr scout fit and converted it into a Gallente fit that is simply better, it becomes clear that the Amarr scout needs something else to make it a little more appealing. The most obvious answer is to give it a better bonus. Every other scout has a primary racial bonus and a secondary bonus. Some people may say the Amarr scout does too, except stamina and stamina regen are covered in the same module so not really, it makes it too easy for another scout to simply better it in everything as in the above linked thread. So what secondary bonus? Some people suggest something with armor plates, but let's be honest that doesn't sound very scout-y. Others suggest sticking with biotics, except giving it a sprint speed bonus would impede on Minmatar's territory, as well as a melee damage bonus. And that's when it hit me. Gallente and Caldari scout both share one bonus and then have a unique one. So what if the same was done for the Amarr and Minmatar? Amarr Scout: 5% bonus to stamina/regen and hacking speed per level. Thoughts? it sux (n+ëGèÖGÇ+GèÖ)n+ën+PpÇÄG£º~TEARS~G£ºpÇÅ 1.8 Laser rifle buff faq will be back to melt all ur sorry ass the good ol chromosomes days.
Nocturnal Soul Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2384	Posted - 2014.03.17 00:58:00 - [14] - Quote Im with it. Its alright everyone, no need to worry it's just an Amarr scout :(
C0TS Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 32	Posted - 2014.03.17 00:58:00 - [15] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Following up on this thread where I took any Amarr scout fit and converted it into a Gallente fit that is simply better, it becomes clear that the Amarr scout needs something else to make it a little more appealing. The most obvious answer is to give it a better bonus. Every other scout has a primary racial bonus and a secondary bonus. Some people may say the Amarr scout does too, except stamina and stamina regen are covered in the same module so not really, it makes it too easy for another scout to simply better it in everything as in the above linked thread. So what secondary bonus? Some people suggest something with armor plates, but let's be honest that doesn't sound very scout-y. Others suggest sticking with biotics, except giving it a sprint speed bonus would impede on Minmatar's territory, as well as a melee damage bonus. And that's when it hit me. Gallente and Caldari scout both share one bonus and then have a unique one. So what if the same was done for the Amarr and Minmatar? Amarr Scout: 5% bonus to stamina/regen and hacking speed per level. Thoughts? 7% per level is the right bonus. I've been saying it forever. If CCP likes 5% then there are some possibilities: - hacking (more likely counter hacking is a unique role and might be better suited) - climbing speed or reduced fall damage could work because they fit sabotage role, get above targets and then come down on them would also be unique .
Faquira Bleuetta Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 295	Posted - 2014.03.17 01:00:00 - [16] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Im with it. wut u crazy (n+ëGèÖGÇ+GèÖ)n+ën+PpÇÄG£º~TEARS~G£ºpÇÅ 1.8 Laser rifle buff faq will be back to melt all ur sorry ass the good ol chromosomes days.
Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p 111	Posted - 2014.03.17 01:01:00 - [17] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Atiim wrote: Aren't the Minmatar supposed to be the speed hackers? How about a bonus to SCP clip size? That seems better fit for the Amarr Scout. The only thing the Minmatar are supposed to be is the fastest, everything else is pretty subjective. Similar to how both Gallente and Caldari scouts have scan range bonuses, I believe something like this where both Amarr and Minmatar have hack speed bonuses could create interesting play between the suits. Gallente and Caldari being more EWAR oriented while Amarr and Minmatar being more "sabotage" oriented. Scrambler pistol clip size is a bit redundant in my opinion given the current scramble pistol operation skill. And most people tend not to like any of the other scrambler pistol bonus suggestions fearing it'd be too OP, so I'd suggest we stray away from gun bonuses. if they are supposed to be the fastest, then they need more speed and more pg to fit biotics because they are easily matched by gallente and even amarr http://www.protofits.com/fittings Kills-Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
Faquira Bleuetta Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 295	Posted - 2014.03.17 01:07:00 - [18] - Quote The Amarr should be the ******* scout hunter not Caldari , +5% bonus to dropsuit scan radius per level and +19% bonus to Complex Precision Enhancer per level( yes 19% bonus bcuz Amarr lacks high slot) ,,new base dropsuit stat Movement Speed 5.39(current 5.25) , new sprint 7.55(current 7.35),, new stamina 225 (current 275),,, however in exchange Caldari should have bonus to cloaking,,,,,,, +7 % reduction to cloak field cooldown per level,,,+8 % bonus to Cloaked ScProfile Reduction. here a made a suit with protofits with my proposed bonus OP i dont think so CPU 378.3 / 446.25 gF PG 88 / 91.875 kW Shield 75 HP Armor 212.5 [306 Basic plate] HP eHP 287 [381] HP Shield Recharge Rate 30 HP/s Shield Recharge Delay 4 s Shield Dep. Rec. Delay 6 s Armor Repair Rate 0 HP/s Movement Speed 5.39 [5.28 m/s basic plate ] new Movement Speed 5.39 Sprint Speed 9.70 m/s [2 Complex Kinetic Catalyzer] new sprint 7.55 Stamina 236 Stamina Recovery Rate 42 /s Scan Profile 31.5 dB Scan Precision 36 [14.51 dB 2 Complex Preci Enhancer] +19% bonus to Complex Precision Enhancer per level Scan Radius 30 [54.38 m 1 Complex Range Amplifier] +5% bonus to dropsuit scan radius per level Melee Damage 80 HP Hack Speed Factor 1.31 Frame Class 0 Dropsuit Race 0 Dropsuit Role 0 High-Slot Modules 2 Small Capacity Granades 1 Equipment 2 Sidearm Weapons 1 Low-Slot Modules 4 Light Weapons 1 (n+ëGèÖGÇ+GèÖ)n+ën+PpÇÄG£º~TEARS~G£ºpÇÅ 1.8 Laser rifle buff faq will be back to melt all ur sorry ass the good ol chromosomes days.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8302	Posted - 2014.03.17 01:52:00 - [19] - Quote Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Atiim wrote: Aren't the Minmatar supposed to be the speed hackers? How about a bonus to SCP clip size? That seems better fit for the Amarr Scout. The only thing the Minmatar are supposed to be is the fastest, everything else is pretty subjective. Similar to how both Gallente and Caldari scouts have scan range bonuses, I believe something like this where both Amarr and Minmatar have hack speed bonuses could create interesting play between the suits. Gallente and Caldari being more EWAR oriented while Amarr and Minmatar being more "sabotage" oriented. Scrambler pistol clip size is a bit redundant in my opinion given the current scramble pistol operation skill. And most people tend not to like any of the other scrambler pistol bonus suggestions fearing it'd be too OP, so I'd suggest we stray away from gun bonuses. if they are supposed to be the fastest, then they need more speed and more pg to fit biotics because they are easily matched by gallente and even amarr http://www.protofits.com/fittings Not going to argue with that. Buff them in line with other scouts iftting requirements Most Minmatar suits have horrific fitting shortages. " ..- -.- --. I wish I remembered morse code so I wasn't typing random letters" - Malleus Malificorum
Krixus Flux Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 99	Posted - 2014.03.17 01:55:00 - [20] - Quote You Amarr are greedy bastards and want all the shine. Your suits are already gold. The only heavies are Amarr, for now. How about a hell to the no? Or just look to your god Saying what's on people's minds

Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 818	Posted - 2014.03.17 01:55:00 - [21] - Quote Meh, how about -10% to uplink fitting requirments per level or +10% to biotics per lvl or +5% to cloak duration per lvl (someone should have a cloak bonus or +5% to armor HP per lvl These forums must be located in the Californin country side, there is whine as far as the eye can see.
Phazoid The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 270	Posted - 2014.03.17 02:08:00 - [22] - Quote i think is better a bonus that goes well with the stamina, the amarr scout is the slayer scout, so i agree with those who proposed the no armor penalty or a reduction on armor penalty, or a bonus to ferroscale or reactive plates? We speak the Dragon's language of flame and rage. Together we shall weave a tale of destruction without equal...
Faquira Bleuetta Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 295	Posted - 2014.03.17 02:08:00 - [23] - Quote i also made a proto caldari with my bonus to cloaking CPU 418 / 456.75 gF PG 87.25 / 86.625 kW Shield 162.5 [452.9] HP Armor 87.5 [170] HP eHP 250 [622.9] HP Shield Recharge Rate 50 HP/s Shield Recharge Delay 3 s Shield Dep. Rec. Delay 4 [5.24] s Armor Repair Rate 0 HP/s Movement Speed 5.45 m/s Stamina 210 Stamina Recovery Rate 31.5 /s Scan Profile 31.5 [14.76 1 Complex Profile Dampener] dB +10 % bonus to Cloaked ScProfile Reduction per level Scan Precision 27 dB Scan Radius 37.5 m Melee Damage 80 HP Hack Speed Factor 1.31 Frame Class 0 Dropsuit Race 0 Dropsuit Role 0 High-Slot Modules 4 Small Capacity Granades 1 Equipment : adv cloak ,cloak duration 81 sec ( cloak +7 % reduction to cloak field cooldown per level) Sidearm Weapons 1 Low-Slot Modules 2 Light Weapons 1 (n+ëGèÖGÇ+GèÖ)n+ën+PpÇÄG£º~TEARS~G£ºpÇÅ 1.8 Laser rifle buff faq will be back to melt all ur sorry ass the good ol chromosomes days.
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7600	Posted - 2014.03.17 02:13:00 - [24] - Quote Phazoid wrote: i think is better a bonus that goes well with the stamina, the amarr scout is the slayer scout, so i agree with those who proposed the no armor penalty or a reduction on armor penalty, or a bonus to ferroscale or reactive plates? Hacking speed would go well with stamina though, ~~sprint~~ jog between bases without stopping, quickly hack, move to the next one. "You're not even Aero, you're just Aero's friend."
Faquira Bleuetta Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 296	Posted - 2014.03.17 02:24:00 - [25] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Phazoid wrote: i think is better a bonus that goes well with the stamina, the amarr scout is the slayer scout, so i agree with those who proposed the no armor penalty or a reduction on armor penalty, or a bonus to ferroscale or reactive plates? Hacking speed would go well with stamina though, ~~sprint~~ jog between bases without stopping, quickly hack, move to the next one. we need diversity bonus u realy want a min copy bonus to amarr wow easy fix and a sucky one . (n+ëGèÖGÇ+GèÖ)n+ën+PpÇÄG£º~TEARS~G£ºpÇÅ 1.8 Laser rifle buff faq will be back to melt all ur sorry ass the good ol chromosomes days.
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7600	Posted - 2014.03.17 02:29:00 - [26] - Quote Faquira Bleuetta wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Phazoid wrote: i think is better a bonus that goes well with the stamina, the amarr scout is the slayer scout, so i agree with those who proposed the no armor penalty or a reduction on armor penalty, or a bonus to ferroscale or reactive plates? Hacking speed would go well with stamina though, ~~sprint~~ jog between bases without stopping, quickly hack, move to the next one. we need diversity bonus u realy want a min copy bonus to amarr wow easy fix and a sucky one . It's not a copy, it shares one bonus and differentiates with another, exactly like the relation between Gallente and Caldari scouts. "You're not even Aero, you're just Aero's friend."
Faquira Bleuetta Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 296	Posted - 2014.03.17 02:31:00 - [27] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Faquira Bleuetta wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Phazoid wrote: i think is better a bonus that goes well with the stamina, the amarr scout is the slayer scout, so i agree with those who proposed the no armor penalty or a reduction on armor penalty, or a bonus to ferroscale or reactive plates? Hacking speed would go well with stamina though, ~~sprint~~ jog between bases without stopping, quickly hack, move to the next one. we need diversity bonus u realy want a min copy bonus to amarr wow easy fix and a sucky one . It's not a copy, it shares one bonus and differentiates with another, exactly like the relation between Gallente and Caldari scouts. why dont Caldari have bonus to cloak. (n+ëGèÖGÇ+GèÖ)n+ën+PpÇÄG£º~TEARS~G£ºpÇÅ 1.8 Laser rifle buff faq will be back to melt all ur sorry ass the good ol chromosomes days.
Llast 326 An Arkhos 2458	Posted - 2014.03.17 02:40:00 - [28] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Following up on this thread where I took any Amarr scout fit and converted it into a Gallente fit that is simply better, it becomes clear that the Amarr scout needs something else to make it a little more appealing. The most obvious answer is to give it a better bonus. Every other scout has a primary racial bonus and a secondary bonus. Some people may say the Amarr scout does too, except stamina and stamina regen are covered in the same module so not really, it makes it too easy for another scout to simply better it in everything as in the above linked thread. So what secondary bonus? Some people suggest something with armor plates, but let's be honest that doesn't sound very scout-y. Others suggest sticking with biotics, except giving it a sprint speed bonus would impede on Minmatar's territory, as well as a melee damage bonus. And that's when it hit me. Gallente and Caldari scout both share one bonus and then have a unique one. So what if the same was done for the Amarr and Minmatar? Amarr Scout: 5% bonus to stamina/regen and hacking speed per level. Thoughts? I don't know about doubling up on the Hack bonus, though as you said the Cal and Gal overlap on Range bonusGÇª So what the hell, why not. Though I would prefer that unique bonuses existed for all the scouts, we just don't have enough EWAR for that at the moment. (assuming the elimination to cloak bonuses had a good reason) KRRROOOOOOM


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