DUST Search - Guerilla Warfare in Public Skirmishes

Roy Ventus wrote:

Delta 749 wrote:

Because in a skirmish match you need to actually take and hold the objectives?
I mean really how is that not obvious, guerrilla tactics fall apart in an objective based game mode and they wont work in ambush due to tank spam

._. You're missing the point here. I'll try bringing in an example and then explaining it even more.

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It's a 4 point map.

We're two minutes in and Alpha, Bravo, and Charlie have been taken while the party is over at Delta as the enemy uses siege tactics(i.e. farming) to pad their KD.

Your squad of three, squad two, decides that "Hey, it's pointless to defend this, it's being used to farm. We still have time to change this game around."

Squad two suicide and you all reemerge at the friendly spawn point. They leave in a group and go around the commotion over at Delta, giving themselves enough space to effectively avoid being spotted.

Eventually they make it towards Alpha which is the second furthest point from Delta. Quickly scanning the area, your squad finds out that it's clear of hostiles. Without hesitation, you guys hack the objective. You begin to talk as the objective is contested over.

"We should sit here and defend," one of your squadmate says. Your other squadmate speaks up, "No. We need to at least take Charlie and then push to Bravo."

You all agree under the pressure that the enemy realizes that Alpha has been hacked and will be mobilizing to the area pronto. Two of your squadmates go to Charlie while they leave you with Bravo.

You're almost to Bravo and you realize that Charlie's been hacked by your squadmates. You throw down some uplinks and proceed to sneak into Bravo. You realize that Bravo's crawling with red and begin questioning your actions until you see that Delta's blinking in your TacNet UI.

You started up a chance to win but now you gotta take it on home. Your teammates can take advantage and spawn in at the newly hacked objectives and help you or maybe you'll have to do it with only your squad.

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It's not about running around and just hacking for the sake of hacking. It's about trying to spread their team, trying to slow down MCC destruction, trying to gain some footing, and a lot more. If the enemy team can't keep up with you, your chances of winning will go on up.

I've seen this tactic work wonders from both sides. Being both the "rebel" and the "imperialist." It actually pisses me off at times because it seems like even though when we always win our direct conflicts, they seem to be one step ahead of us taking another point.


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Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 2658	Posted - 2014.03.14 21:35:00 - [1] - Quote Because in a skirmish match you need to actually take and hold the objectives? I mean really how is that not obvious, guerrilla tactics fall apart in an objective based game mode and they wont work in ambush due to tank spam I'll start my own war, with hookers, and blackjack! In fact forget the war and the blackjack.
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 2661	Posted - 2014.03.14 22:06:00 - [2] - Quote Roy Ventus wrote: Delta 749 wrote: Because in a skirmish match you need to actually take and hold the objectives? I mean really how is that not obvious, guerrilla tactics fall apart in an objective based game mode and they wont work in ambush due to tank spam ._. You're missing the point here. I'll try bringing in an example and then explaining it even more. - It's a 4 point map. We're two minutes in and Alpha, Bravo, and Charlie have been taken while the party is over at Delta as the enemy uses siege tactics(i.e. farming) to pad their KD. Your squad of three, squad two, decides that "Hey, it's pointless to defend this, it's being used to farm. We still have time to change this game around." Squad two suicide and you all reemerge at the friendly spawn point. They leave in a group and go around the commotion over at Delta, giving themselves enough space to effectively avoid being spotted. Eventually they make it towards Alpha which is the second furthest point from Delta. Quickly scanning the area, your squad finds out that it's clear of hostiles. Without hesitation, you guys hack the objective. You begin to talk as the objective is contested over. "We should sit here and defend," one of your squadmate says. Your other squadmate speaks up, "No. We need to at least take Charlie and then push to Bravo." You all agree under the pressure that the enemy realizes that Alpha has been hacked and will be mobilizing to the area pronto. Two of your squadmates go to Charlie while they leave you with Bravo. You're almost to Bravo and you realize that Charlie's been hacked by your squadmates. You throw down some uplinks and proceed to sneak into Bravo. You realize that Bravo's crawling with red and begin questioning your actions until you see that Delta's blinking in your TacNet UI. You started up a chance to win but now you gotta take it on home. Your teammates can take advantage and spawn in at the newly hacked objectives and help you or maybe you'll have to do it with only your squad. --- It's not about running around and just hacking for the sake of hacking. It's about trying to spread their team, trying to slow down MCC destruction, trying to gain some footing, and a lot more. If the enemy team can't keep up with you, your chances of winning will go on up. I've seen this tactic work wonders from both sides. Being both the "rebel" and the "imperialist." It actually pisses me off at times because it seems like even though when we always win our direct conflicts, they seem to be one step ahead of us taking another point. Well thats not really guerrilla warfare then is it, its just splitting your forces in a way that makes the enemy respond or lose I'll start my own war, with hookers, and blackjack! In fact forget the war and the blackjack.
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 2662	Posted - 2014.03.14 22:17:00 - [3] - Quote Roy Ventus wrote: That's still guerilla warfare... Straight up from the wiki "Tactically, the guerrilla army makes small, repetitive attacks far from the opponent's center of gravity with a view to keeping its own casualties to a minimum and imposing a constant debilitating strain on the enemy." What you just said is pretty much the same thing. Theres a world of difference between "We are getting farmed, everyone scatter" and "We know before hand that the enemy is larger so we attack their supply lines with a couple REs and then run away" Not to mention that having to hold these objectives runs counter to guerrilla tactics by forcing you to stay put and keep the enemy from retaking them lest you lose the match Its like I said before, objective based game play like this precludes the use of real guerrilla tactics and poor balance makes unfit for ambush Now dont get me wrong Id really like to see them become viable but at the moment they arent, not really I'll start my own war, with hookers, and blackjack! In fact forget the war and the blackjack.