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Eberk Baldek
Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.03.14 07:08:00 -
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I've lost respec-t . . . in every sense of the word, and in every way.
What do you think of me/us CCP? You obviously think I'm/we're not worthy of respec-t. And judging by the reaction of the forum community, which is mild/moronic at best, you've nailed it. Or are you deleting dis-respec-ting posts? Because I am dis-respec-ting you right back right now in return. You may consider it payment in kind. Will you delete my post too? And to those of you who think I should instead be grateful to CCP for their oh so generous offerings, I'm dis-respec-tful of you too . . . Well, because you're either morons or trolls.
I sent in the admittedly harsh message below as a support ticket 24 hours ago and I've gotten no response. Why CCP? No, really, tell me why you've dis-respec-ted us. I shouldn't have had to have sent in any message at all. You've got this forum. So, you must have known how many of us felt about this and you must have known how some of us would react. And you've dis-respec-ted us CCP. You should have known better.
I've paid around 200 euros for this game and I deserve an answer. Some of you trolls will say I shouldn't have paid anything at all which will just help make my case: CCP, you're just not going to get any respec-t this way, well from me anyway. I'm not sure you deserve it.
Eberk Baldek wrote:I'm extremely disappointed with your (CCP's) SP "respec" or "refund". I want it to cover weapons and core suit skills too. I'm one of those players who's been paying religiously for this game since the very beginning last June. (passive and active booster packs and proto suits, etc.) I don't mind your modifications to the gear I've purchased as I understand that you are busy improving the game, but I expect a full SP refund when you make these large-scale changes especially. Anything less is unacceptable. Is this how you do business in Iceland? I expect you to treat all of us, your customers, respectfully and correctly. You've even set your own precedent as you gave a full refund to players who had specced into vehicles. I really don't understand you. Are you really so clueless?
What have I paid for and how have you reneged on each sale? (This is the way I see it, I'm afraid.)
I bought a Swarm Launcher (I spent months speccing into it - It cost 30 euros or so as I see it) CCP reneged and nerffed it to uselessness and upped Tanks etc to godmode.
I've specced into AV grenades and Damage mods to compensate. CCP has again reneged and will be nerffing them both.
The list goes on for me and I'm sure for others too. I won't belabour the point. Nor do I want to pedantically break down all the details.
I love your game CCP, but I'm having difficulties liking your company, despite the apparent friendliness of the Devs in the forums. And I'm afraid I'm having difficulties with not feeling somewhat angry and resentful about this. It sometimes seems like every time I build something up, you tear it down and put me back at square one. How many people have quit this game because of your nerfs? Is this how you plan to build up your player base?
I want a full SP refund so I can spec into something playable. I want to like you CCP, I really do. I want to like you as much as I like your game. Please, reconsider and rectify.
I'll be sending this post in as a support ticket as well.
I'll be taking a break from playing DUST 514 for a while until I either get a total respec (maybe when hell freezes over) or when I've built up enough passive skill points to spec into a new weapon to go with my new Dropsuit (maybe 5 months?). I got a PS4 for Christmas and I'm looking forward to Planetside 2 and Destiny, which I pre-ordered months ago. On second thought, maybe I won't be back . . . I don't know . . . hmmmm.
Either way, you can't have my ISK, etc. FO.
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Cruor Abominare
horizons' edge
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Posted - 2014.03.14 07:18:00 -
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At 200 dollars I assume you run booster, not even going to bother about the near 3m sp on the table before the patch. With booster getting the 1.4 million sp to get op to 5 and Prof to 4 would take about 3 weeks. Some how I think you'll survive without a weapon respec |
ThePrinceOfNigeria
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
354
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Posted - 2014.03.14 07:18:00 -
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Crimson Cerberes
Hammer Of Light Vanguard of the Phoenix
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Posted - 2014.03.14 07:26:00 -
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Cruor Abominare wrote:At 200 dollars I assume you run booster, not even going to bother about the near 3m sp on the table before the patch. With booster getting the 1.4 million sp to get op to 5 and Prof to 4 would take about 3 weeks. Some how I think you'll survive without a weapon respec Why are you white knighting for CCP? Do you think brown nosing is going to gain you some favor with them?
It is really simple.
CCP issues a respec for dropsuit because now racial parity is achieved.
CCP should also issue a refund for pistols and rifles because racial parity has been achieved. It is only following thier own reasoning.
"We are not ever going to respec weaponry and dropsuit command because the majority of our Aurum gear falls within those
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Joseph Ridgeson
WarRavens League of Infamy
717
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Posted - 2014.03.14 07:29:00 -
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It is a really tough line for CCP to walk in this game. How do you state "your choices are important; live with them" and offer any kind of refund? Them giving out a refund for Dropsuit Command was a necessity to the core. I could not imagine the outcry there would be if that happened. Balance changes are simply going to happen. Asking for a respec when something you put points into was changed is kind of silly. Something too powerful today will be underpowered tomorrow and hopefully balanced next year. When it comes to the non-full infantry SP refund, there are arguments that are better and more substantial than "I want a full SP refund so I can spec into something playable." I mean no deep insult but that is extremely selfish and childish to say.
Because of the link to racial weapons that Commandos and Assaults now have, being a Minmatar X with a non-Minmatar weapon is simply at a detriment. That is the same kind of problem that Heavies had: "If I could have gone Minmatar Commando/Assault with a Combat Rifle, I would have. However, it was Amarr + AR or bust." A shame and I hope there is some kind of weapon refund down the line, maybe once there is deeper racial parity, but for now I will grin and bear it.
Sorry to see that you are so frustrated with a game you clearly enjoy. I hope you can overcome the frustration and get back to having fun sometime soon.
Be well.
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Thumb Green
THE STAR BORN
820
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Posted - 2014.03.14 07:30:00 -
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Cruor Abominare wrote:At 200 dollars I assume you run booster, not even going to bother about the near 3m sp on the table before the patch. With booster getting the 1.4 million sp to get op to 5 and Prof to 4 would take about 3 weeks. Some how I think you'll survive without a weapon respec
Ignoring the OP, I will say this, the lack of a full infantry respec hurts the newer players without SP to spare far worse than it does those of us that have enough SP unallocated to go full proto in whatever we desire after the patch. All the lack of a full infantry respec does is stifle competition and diminishes the incentive for newer players to actually play the game.
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Cruor Abominare
horizons' edge
95
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Posted - 2014.03.14 07:35:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:Cruor Abominare wrote:At 200 dollars I assume you run booster, not even going to bother about the near 3m sp on the table before the patch. With booster getting the 1.4 million sp to get op to 5 and Prof to 4 would take about 3 weeks. Some how I think you'll survive without a weapon respec Ignoring the OP, I will say this, the lack of a full infantry respec hurts the newer players without SP to spare far worse than it does those of us that have enough SP unallocated to go full proto in whatever we desire after the patch. All the lack of a full infantry respec does is stifle competition and diminishes the incentive for newer players to actually play the game.
**** its 3 freaken weeks or a month with no boosters. Weapons come and go on which is the best that's never going to change get used to it. The playerbase needs to learn this just like it did in eve where patches can easily and regularly invalidate years of training. |
Thumb Green
THE STAR BORN
820
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Posted - 2014.03.14 07:36:00 -
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Joseph Ridgeson wrote:It is a really tough line for CCP to walk in this game. How do you state "your choices are important; live with them" and offer any kind of refund?
How can they say our choices are important when they change the functionality of the things we chose?
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Thumb Green
THE STAR BORN
820
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Posted - 2014.03.14 07:40:00 -
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Cruor Abominare wrote:Thumb Green wrote:Cruor Abominare wrote:At 200 dollars I assume you run booster, not even going to bother about the near 3m sp on the table before the patch. With booster getting the 1.4 million sp to get op to 5 and Prof to 4 would take about 3 weeks. Some how I think you'll survive without a weapon respec Ignoring the OP, I will say this, the lack of a full infantry respec hurts the newer players without SP to spare far worse than it does those of us that have enough SP unallocated to go full proto in whatever we desire after the patch. All the lack of a full infantry respec does is stifle competition and diminishes the incentive for newer players to actually play the game. **** its 3 freaken weeks or a month with no boosters. Weapons come and go on which is the best that's never going to change get used to it. The playerbase needs to learn this just like it did in eve where patches can easily and regularly invalidate years of training. I'm just stating a fact. If you don't enjoy or if you even fear competition, that's fine with me.
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Eberk Baldek
Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State
46
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Posted - 2014.03.14 07:45:00 -
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Joseph Ridgeson wrote:It is a really tough line for CCP to walk in this game. How do you state "your choices are important; live with them" and offer any kind of refund? Them giving out a refund for Dropsuit Command was a necessity to the core. I could not imagine the outcry there would be if that happened. Balance changes are simply going to happen.
You're not really getting it. This was not your usual run-of-the-mill change. The scale of it completely changed everything. If no one else will explain it to you, I really can't be bothered. And for your other "silly" - "selfish" comments, FO you m@ron! |
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Joseph Ridgeson
WarRavens League of Infamy
717
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Posted - 2014.03.14 07:51:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:Joseph Ridgeson wrote:It is a really tough line for CCP to walk in this game. How do you state "your choices are important; live with them" and offer any kind of refund?
How can they say our choices are important when they change the functionality of the things we chose? I was simply playing Devi's Advocate on that part, mostly because it is a hard line to walk.
Functionality of things, at least in regards to what they are meant to do and how they work, hasn't change for basically anything in DUST. Effectiveness has. The AR wasn't suddenly made to work far differently than it did; its range and damage have been reduced. Grenades have not been changes in regards to working differently than they did; you are just holding one less. Functionality of vehicles was changed, which is why a respec was given there.
As I said, I was in full favor of a respec for Dropsuit Command and Weaponry (little wishy-washy on Dropsuit Upgrades). The functionality of nothing, at least in regards to how it works, has changed but I feel enough has changed overall to warrant a refund for those two things.
Though, as the OP so clearly stated, this thread is about disrespect and not about the news we got a couple days ago. |
Kasote Denzara
A Vulture
1880
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Posted - 2014.03.14 08:29:00 -
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I stopped caring after the "I paid" part. Really. I've been around for a long time (and I have said this quite a few times) and one of the things that I will step on is "I pay money to get my way!" mentality. It's juvenile. Childish. Buying anything in a free to play game means you want to support it, not that you're buying the game.
I may have been away in Warframe for some time, but even us over there will laugh at you when you pull the "I paid so I should get everything I want 'cause I'm a pretty pink princess!" out. Always good for a laugh though.
Added note: I've put somewhere between three hundred to five hundred (USD) into Dust 514 over the course of time. I chuckle at you.
"Go ahead and dual tank. My Commando dual ganks." -Kasote Denzara
I'm waiting for my G-I suit. It's what I want.
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Billi Gene
516
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Posted - 2014.03.14 08:37:00 -
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I'm a special, shiny and unique Pony!!!!!
Pedant, Ape, Troll.
My Beard makes Alpha's sook :P
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Eberk Baldek
Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State
49
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Posted - 2014.03.14 08:48:00 -
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Billi Gene wrote:I'm a special, shiny and unique Pony!!!!!
Well, if you pay for a friggin' pony, you should get a pony, not a friggin' rocking horse! Maybe the concepts of false advertising, bait-and-switch, and consumer rights ring a bell? No? Well, go ride your pony! |
Eberk Baldek
Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State
49
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Posted - 2014.03.14 08:53:00 -
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Kasote Denzara wrote:I stopped caring after the "I paid" part. Really. I've been around for a long time (and I have said this quite a few times) and one of the things that I will step on is "I pay money to get my way!" mentality. It's juvenile. Childish. Buying anything in a free to play game means you want to support it, not that you're buying the game.
I may have been away in Warframe for some time, but even us over there will laugh at you when you pull the "I paid so I should get everything I want 'cause I'm a pretty pink princess!" out. Always good for a laugh though.
Added note: I've put somewhere between three hundred to five hundred (USD) into Dust 514 over the course of time. I chuckle at you.
Well, the term "free-to-play" is somewhat subjective now, isn't it!? Check out this article in gamesindustry.biz titled: "Free-to-play" misleading advertising in Europe: http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2014-02-27-free-to-play-misleading-advertising-in-europe It starts: "Complaints from consumers who unwittingly purchased in-game upgrades in free-to-play titles have become common enough that the European Commission is taking action on the matter." And the meaning of the word "free" has been nerffed by CCP, you have to admit! In any case, you're a troll! |
Kasote Denzara
A Vulture
1883
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Posted - 2014.03.14 09:00:00 -
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Eberk Baldek wrote: In any case, you're a troll! Yes, clearly I am. You caught me red handed. Now I must drag my club along to my bridge to The Lonely Man song and cry. I will look to my troll wife when she asked me what happened and I'll say "they caught me". We will then eat three goats.
"Go ahead and dual tank. My Commando dual ganks." -Kasote Denzara
I'm waiting for my G-I suit. It's what I want.
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IAmDuncanIdaho II
R 0 N 1 N
257
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Posted - 2014.03.14 09:06:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:Joseph Ridgeson wrote:It is a really tough line for CCP to walk in this game. How do you state "your choices are important; live with them" and offer any kind of refund?
How can they say our choices are important when they change the functionality of the things we chose?
I agree with this sentiment.
Perhaps they mean our choices are important, but informed choice is subject to change.
Anyway, looking forward to a fun weekend in 2.5 hours time! Eat my plasma cannons. |
Eberk Baldek
Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State
49
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Posted - 2014.03.14 09:12:00 -
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Kasote Denzara wrote:Eberk Baldek wrote: In any case, you're a troll! Yes, clearly I am. You caught me red handed. Now I must drag my club along to my bridge to The Lonely Man song and cry. I will look to my troll wife when she asked me what happened and I'll say "they caught me". We will then eat three goats.
Well, ok, fair enough, but anyway, to be clear, when I buy something in a store and it's defective, I take it back. If I have a problem with a company, I make it a point to fight for my rights. You should too. Sometimes it works. I'm not as funny as these guys (United Breaks Guitars: http://youtu.be/5YGc4zOqozo ), but it's clear that companies sometimes act irresponsibly and we have to do something. If there's no interest in the community, then I'm out of here. |
Eberk Baldek
Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State
50
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Posted - 2014.03.14 09:53:00 -
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On second thought, while the rest of you continue playing DUST 514, I will research the issue a bit further.
I have already found, for example, that EU authorities have published a document taking a legal position on practices related to online games: http://ec.europa.eu/consumers/enforcement/docs/common_position_on_online_games_en.pdf
I've noticed that there are several organizations that take in consumer complaints as well. I will inform of what I've found if Devs permit.
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Sigberct Amni
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
466
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Posted - 2014.03.14 11:20:00 -
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Eberk Baldek wrote:On second thought, while the rest of you continue playing DUST 514, I will research the issue a bit further. I have already found, for example, that EU authorities have published a document taking a legal position on practices related to online games: http://ec.europa.eu/consumers/enforcement/docs/common_position_on_online_games_en.pdfI've noticed that there are several organizations that take in consumer complaints as well. I will inform of what I've found if Devs permit. Please do this and share with the class. |
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GTA V FTW
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Posted - 2014.03.14 11:58:00 -
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Meh, over time enough people will stop playing this LOL F2P lobby shooter and move on to better games like so many others already have that CCP will be forced into giving respecs for $$$$ just to keep this POS game a float.
Of coarse by that time it may be too late for anyone to care.
Then it will just be the ub3r l33t hardcor3 fan boys pew pewing each other in the face, oh wait...........................that is all it pretty much is now.
Just a whole bunch of ub3r l33t fan boys pew pewing each other in the face.
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Eberk Baldek
Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State
56
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Posted - 2014.03.14 14:24:00 -
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GTA V FTW wrote:Meh, over time enough people will stop playing this LOL F2P lobby shooter and move on to better games like so many others already have that CCP will be forced into giving respecs for $$$$ just to keep this POS game a float.
Of coarse by that time it may be too late for anyone to care.
Then it will just be the ub3r l33t hardcor3 fan boys pew pewing each other in the face, oh wait...........................that is all it pretty much is now.
Just a whole bunch of ub3r l33t fan boys pew pewing each other in the face.
Perhaps, I myself am downloading Assassin's Creed IV for PS4 right now. So, I'll be taking a break whether they do the right thing or not. It doesn't look like it though. |
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