DUST Search - Stealth buff to logistics in 1.8?

Meee One wrote:

Sinboto Simmons wrote:

I-Shayz-I wrote:

Jebus McKing wrote:

Also all Logis get a 15% hacking bonus, except Minnie, which gets a 20% bonus.

OH ****

I totally didn't realize what this means.

So wait, does this mean I'm not losing my hacking bonus? right now minmatars get 5% per level, so level 5 would be 25% bonus. Even though they removed the bonus, it will still be there as a passive on the suit.

So total hacking bonus would be 45% instead of 50% (because of the hacking skill). I'm so happy right now that I can still be a speed hacker in 1.8

Oh great, logi still out preforming the scout in it's roll. Roll

You clearly don't understand what the word logistics means.
It's support in all forms from reping,resupplying,scanning and yes even hacking.

Scouts by definition are only meant to be used to scope out or "scout" and report their findings to their squad/team,that is a scouts "role".
Scouts aren't supposed to engage targets,assaults are (after having their locations relayed by the scouts),while heavies defend points taken by assaults and logis run between the frontline and back line and supply support where needed.

So calling yourself a "minja" may be fun but,it's definitely not accurate.

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I-Shayz-I I-----I 2493	Posted - 2014.03.14 01:27:00 - [1] - Quote In 1.8 my minmatar logistics suit is getting a stamina recharge of 40...right now it is 15 0.0 Oh, and all logistics suits are getting a 5 meter increase to their scan radius...so the range increase skill will actually be worth it now. Game changing? probably not, but it is at least worth noting. Any other changes to the medium dropsuits you saw in those stats they released? I'm not an assault so it all looked the same to me but I could be wrong. Links: List of Most Important Threads I make logistics videos!
Broonfondle Majikthies Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day 939	Posted - 2014.03.14 01:32:00 - [2] - Quote Faster shield regen for all classes (as far as I could see) more precise suit scaners on many Min getting hacking bonus on most suits (except heavie) Hacking bonus on all logi's (stacked with Min bonus) Yeah I'm looking forward to trying it out. They'll all play very differently. "...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"
I-Shayz-I I-----I 2493	Posted - 2014.03.14 01:49:00 - [3] - Quote Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: Faster shield regen for all classes (as far as I could see) Faster on Caldari, slower on Amarr. Right now Caldari has 20, Gallente has 15, Minmatar has 20, Amarr has 17. 1.8 we'll see Caldari with 25+, Gallente still at 15, Minmatar still at 20, but Amarr at 15 as well. Also I forgot, both Gallente medium frames are getting a 2 armor regen passive. Lights get 3, medium 2, and heavies 1. Links: List of Most Important Threads I make logistics videos!
Booby Tuesdays Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 417	Posted - 2014.03.14 01:56:00 - [4] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: In 1.8 my minmatar logistics suit is getting a stamina recharge of 40...right now it is 15 0.0 Oh, and all logistics suits are getting a 5 meter increase to their scan radius...so the range increase skill will actually be worth it now. Game changing? probably not, but it is at least worth noting. Any other changes to the medium dropsuits you saw in those stats they released? I'm not an assault so it all looked the same to me but I could be wrong. Noticed this too. Maybe we can actually hit AND run now. These small little perks will be nice once CCP nerfs the PG and CPU on Logi suits. If you win the rat race, you're still a rat.
Jebus McKing Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 327	Posted - 2014.03.14 08:30:00 - [5] - Quote Also all Logis get a 15% hacking bonus, except Minnie, which gets a 20% bonus. @JebusMcKing // TIERICIDE, just do it, CCP. ò_Ô
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 1880	Posted - 2014.03.14 08:32:00 - [6] - Quote Everyone should be appalled -no, they should be angry!- at such an atrocious crime. Such a terrible, terrible injustice was done on this update! More so than any tank or AR could have ever done! Why will no one stand brave and tall about and against this evil?! Commandos will no longer be the king of melee... "Go ahead and dual tank. My Commando dual ganks." -Kasote Denzara I'm waiting for my G-I suit. It's what I want.
I-Shayz-I I-----I 2493	Posted - 2014.03.14 09:04:00 - [7] - Quote Jebus McKing wrote: Also all Logis get a 15% hacking bonus, except Minnie, which gets a 20% bonus. OH **** I totally didn't realize what this means. So wait, does this mean I'm not losing my hacking bonus? right now minmatars get 5% per level, so level 5 would be 25% bonus. Even though they removed the bonus, it will still be there as a passive on the suit. So total hacking bonus would be 45% instead of 50% (because of the hacking skill). I'm so happy right now that I can still be a speed hacker in 1.8 Links: List of Most Important Threads I make logistics videos!
DozersMouse XIII Ultramarine Corp 160	Posted - 2014.03.14 09:12:00 - [8] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: In 1.8 my minmatar logistics suit is getting a stamina recharge of 40...right now it is 15 0.0 Oh, and all logistics suits are getting a 5 meter increase to their scan radius...so the range increase skill will actually be worth it now. Game changing? probably not, but it is at least worth noting. Any other changes to the medium dropsuits you saw in those stats they released? I'm not an assault so it all looked the same to me but I could be wrong. they are also getting a base scan precision of 45, 45 is currently where the scout starts out at. this will be awesome for logistics while repping those heavy's pair these slight number buffs with training those skills for the passive bonuses add some modules to suit and you will be able to scan most suits passively and call out enemy positions for your heavy Bacon pancakes makin' bacon pancakes Take some bacon and I'll put it a pancake Bacon pancakes thats what it's gonna make
Meee One The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 524	Posted - 2014.03.14 09:15:00 - [9] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: In 1.8 my minmatar logistics suit is getting a stamina recharge of 40...right now it is 15 0.0 Oh, and all logistics suits are getting a 5 meter increase to their scan radius...so the range increase skill will actually be worth it now. Game changing? probably not, but it is at least worth noting. Any other changes to the medium dropsuits you saw in those stats they released? I'm not an assault so it all looked the same to me but I could be wrong. I personally think the stats are all pretty good. Assaults have better base stats and bonuses designed to keep them focused on attacking. Logis are 2nd only to assaults,with the flexibility of slots to focus on being a defensive or offensive oriented suit. Inb4 assaults qqing about slots and slayerlogis Only users lose drugs. Time wounds all heels.
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2190	Posted - 2014.03.14 09:16:00 - [10] - Quote Minnie loosing internal reps, given to gallante Minnie getting slightly more stamina, faster recharge rate Minnie getting slight hack bonus Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.

Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2190	Posted - 2014.03.14 09:18:00 - [11] - Quote Meee One wrote: I-Shayz-I wrote: In 1.8 my minmatar logistics suit is getting a stamina recharge of 40...right now it is 15 0.0 Oh, and all logistics suits are getting a 5 meter increase to their scan radius...so the range increase skill will actually be worth it now. Game changing? probably not, but it is at least worth noting. Any other changes to the medium dropsuits you saw in those stats they released? I'm not an assault so it all looked the same to me but I could be wrong. I personally think the stats are all pretty good. Assaults have better base stats and bonuses designed to keep them focused on attacking. Logis are 2nd only to assaults,with the flexibility of slots to focus on being a defensive or offensive oriented suit. Inb4 assaults qqing about slots and slayerlogis Im not concerned about slayer logis in then slightest, however I am disappointed that the Minnie Slot layout remains utter **** Assaults: 8 Logi: 7 Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 728	Posted - 2014.03.14 09:19:00 - [12] - Quote Meee One wrote: I-Shayz-I wrote: In 1.8 my minmatar logistics suit is getting a stamina recharge of 40...right now it is 15 0.0 Oh, and all logistics suits are getting a 5 meter increase to their scan radius...so the range increase skill will actually be worth it now. Game changing? probably not, but it is at least worth noting. Any other changes to the medium dropsuits you saw in those stats they released? I'm not an assault so it all looked the same to me but I could be wrong. I personally think the stats are all pretty good. Assaults have better base stats and bonuses designed to keep them focused on attacking. Logis are 2nd only to assaults,with the flexibility of slots to focus on being a defensive or offensive oriented suit. Inb4 assaults qqing about slots and slayerlogis Only two out of 4 Assault get a bonus worth the SP investment. Gallente and Caldari are pretty much screwed ;/
Joey-Number1 Maniacal Miners INC No Safe Haven 67	Posted - 2014.03.14 09:21:00 - [13] - Quote Booby Tuesdays wrote: I-Shayz-I wrote: In 1.8 my minmatar logistics suit is getting a stamina recharge of 40...right now it is 15 0.0 Oh, and all logistics suits are getting a 5 meter increase to their scan radius...so the range increase skill will actually be worth it now. Game changing? probably not, but it is at least worth noting. Any other changes to the medium dropsuits you saw in those stats they released? I'm not an assault so it all looked the same to me but I could be wrong. Noticed this too. Maybe we can actually hit AND run now. These small little perks will be nice once CCP nerfs the PG and CPU on Logi suits. They wont nerf it, we can barely fit a good equipment without having proto weapon and complex shield extenders... to have a good proto suit, you have to fit PG and CPU upgrade modules too.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 5081	Posted - 2014.03.14 09:22:00 - [14] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: Jebus McKing wrote: Also all Logis get a 15% hacking bonus, except Minnie, which gets a 20% bonus. OH **** I totally didn't realize what this means. So wait, does this mean I'm not losing my hacking bonus? right now minmatars get 5% per level, so level 5 would be 25% bonus. Even though they removed the bonus, it will still be there as a passive on the suit. So total hacking bonus would be 45% instead of 50% (because of the hacking skill). I'm so happy right now that I can still be a speed hacker in 1.8 Oh great, logi still out preforming the scout in it's roll. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
I-Shayz-I I-----I 2495	Posted - 2014.03.14 09:27:00 - [15] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Im not concerned about slayer logis in then slightest, however I am disappointed that the Minnie Slot layout remains utter ** Assaults: 8 Logi: 7 ? Minmatar Assault has 7, logi has 8. Minmatar logi slot layout is awesome, allows you to fit it in a ton of different ways. The assault, not so much...having only two low slots is absolute ** to work with. I'd say switch the caldari assault slot layout with the minmatar one. Links: List of Most Important Threads I make logistics videos!
COVERT SUBTERFUGE PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 621	Posted - 2014.03.14 09:40:00 - [16] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: I-Shayz-I wrote: Jebus McKing wrote: Also all Logis get a 15% hacking bonus, except Minnie, which gets a 20% bonus. OH **** I totally didn't realize what this means. So wait, does this mean I'm not losing my hacking bonus? right now minmatars get 5% per level, so level 5 would be 25% bonus. Even though they removed the bonus, it will still be there as a passive on the suit. So total hacking bonus would be 45% instead of 50% (because of the hacking skill). I'm so happy right now that I can still be a speed hacker in 1.8 Oh great, logi still out preforming the scout in it's roll. Well, scout can have 60% with all skills, min logi can have 45% with all skills. Still seems a bit redundant, especially how scouts only get 1.05 and logis get 1.15. Proud Minmatar scout - Republic Merc 6/10 Immune to bitter/jaded vet syndrome Roll with the punches instead of QQing
Meee One The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 524	Posted - 2014.03.14 09:47:00 - [17] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: I-Shayz-I wrote: Jebus McKing wrote: Also all Logis get a 15% hacking bonus, except Minnie, which gets a 20% bonus. OH **** I totally didn't realize what this means. So wait, does this mean I'm not losing my hacking bonus? right now minmatars get 5% per level, so level 5 would be 25% bonus. Even though they removed the bonus, it will still be there as a passive on the suit. So total hacking bonus would be 45% instead of 50% (because of the hacking skill). I'm so happy right now that I can still be a speed hacker in 1.8 Oh great, logi still out preforming the scout in it's roll. You clearly don't understand what the word logistics means. It's support in all forms from reping,resupplying,scanning and yes even hacking. Scouts be definition are only meant to be used to scope out or "scout" and report their findings to their squad/team,that is a scouts "role". Scouts aren't supposed to engage targets,assaults are (after having their locations relayed by the scouts),while heavies defend points taken by assaults and logis run between the frontline and back line and supply support where needed. So callin yourself a minja may be fun it's definitely not accurate. Only users lose drugs. Time wounds all heels.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 5083	Posted - 2014.03.14 10:02:00 - [18] - Quote Meee One wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: I-Shayz-I wrote: Jebus McKing wrote: Also all Logis get a 15% hacking bonus, except Minnie, which gets a 20% bonus. OH **** I totally didn't realize what this means. So wait, does this mean I'm not losing my hacking bonus? right now minmatars get 5% per level, so level 5 would be 25% bonus. Even though they removed the bonus, it will still be there as a passive on the suit. So total hacking bonus would be 45% instead of 50% (because of the hacking skill). I'm so happy right now that I can still be a speed hacker in 1.8 Oh great, logi still out preforming the scout in it's roll. You clearly don't understand what the word logistics means. It's support in all forms from reping,resupplying,scanning and yes even hacking. Scouts by definition are only meant to be used to scope out or "scout" and report their findings to their squad/team,that is a scouts "role". Scouts aren't supposed to engage targets,assaults are (after having their locations relayed by the scouts),while heavies defend points taken by assaults and logis run between the frontline and back line and supply support where needed. So calling yourself a "minja" may be fun but,it's definitely not accurate. I've already said I disagree with the term 'scout' to define our roll, as we very rarely do any actual scouting. Hell the Gallogi has the active scanning bonus. I'd prefer 'cover ops' as a class name honestly. Edit: And honestly, scouts not supposed to engage targets, really? Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Mad Syringe ReDust Inc. 188	Posted - 2014.03.14 10:07:00 - [19] - Quote Well, the 4 different scouts have 4 different roles: Minnie (fast hacker) Gallente (sneaky guard / infiltrator) Caldary (sneaky surveillance) Amarr endurance flank assault (like all amarr suits he's more of a combat suit then anything else) The logis are the squad intelligence suits, best scanning in med suit, fastest hacking, reps and resupply and deployment support (uplinks). For that they are weaker in 1-1 combat. (we'll see about that) All the minnie suits are weaker hp wise, but get bonuses to get in and out of objectives faster. This is perfect to lore, since Minmatar are hit and run, so hack the ojective and get out again. So while hacking you recover your stamina and are good to run again...
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 729	Posted - 2014.03.14 10:27:00 - [20] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: I've already said I disagree with the term 'scout' to define our roll, as we very rarely do any actual scouting. Hell the Gallogi has the active scanning bonus. I'd prefer 'cover ops' as a class name honestly. I agree CCP should just rename scouts to black ops (in case of gallente Black eagles ) for now rework the current bonuses to reflect more covert ops work. Currently "scouts" can't perform either role well. In order to act as Scouts they need: An increased scan range An increased scan precision Team view / Squad view A way to mark targets similar to the SL A rework of their skills especially Amarr and Minmatar Currently only the Caldari scout can acts as true scout (without Squadview ;/), thanks to a boosted scan range + scan precision The gallente scout can partly act as scout he gets scan range but is lacking precision The minmatar fails as scout The amarr fails as scout. In order to act as black ops The skills need a slight rework Caldari: scan profile reduction + sniper rifle damage Long range assasin (should fit lore) Gallente: scan profile reduction + NK bonus (cqc Assasin, should fit lore (templar one)) OR scan profile reduction + hacking speed (should fit lore) Minmatar: Sprint speed buff + Remote damage boost (demolition expert) OR scan profile reduction + NK bonus (cqc Assasin, should fit lore) Amarr: Damage boost to laser Weaponry + Stamina (stealthy mobile assault) OR scan profile reduction + uplink bonus



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