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Fyra Yacile
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.13 15:37:00 -
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Will CCP finally understand why so many people hate the stupid reload bonus and change it ?
Anyone who was planning on skilling into the Cal Assault post 1.8 .. don't do it straight away give it a few weeks |
The Attorney General
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Posted - 2014.03.13 15:38:00 -
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I don't even understand why people would spec assault suits, especially with the huge buff logis just got.
Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
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Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust.
Top Men.
1679
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Posted - 2014.03.13 16:03:00 -
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The Attorney General wrote:I don't even understand why people would spec assault suits, especially with the huge buff logis just got.
Im choosing between gal scout and min assault actually. If I had the SP I would just get both.
Drop it like its hat.
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Dauth Jenkins
Ultramarine Corp
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Posted - 2014.03.13 16:04:00 -
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The only reason I'm not specing into assault suits is because the respec is for just dropships command... which I have almost no skillpoints into
Sees prototompers...
Sees blueberries start to snipe...
Pulls out commando suit with laser rifle and swarm launcher...
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Malkai Inos
Onikanabo Brigade
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.03.13 16:05:00 -
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Dauth Jenkins wrote:The only reason I'm not specing into assault suits is because the respec is for just dropships command... which I have almost no skillpoints into Dropsuit command.
You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
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Kasote Denzara
A Vulture
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Posted - 2014.03.13 16:05:00 -
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As someone who ran Commando for quite some time, I'll tell you this:
The reloading bonus is nice. Any other Commando runner will agree with me there.
"Go ahead and dual tank. My Commando dual ganks." -Kasote Denzara
I'm waiting for my G-I suit. It's what I want.
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DootDoot
Da Short Buss
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Posted - 2014.03.13 16:08:00 -
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Fyra Yacile wrote:Will CCP finally understand why so many people hate the stupid reload bonus and change it ?
Anyone who was planning on skilling into the Cal Assault post 1.8 .. don't do it straight away give it a few weeks
Uhhh the Caldari Assault suit, beside the Amarr assault(Completely depending on SCR changes) is the second best Assault suit.
The Caldari Assault is strong probably the best all around suit in the class..
The gallente and Minmatar? they got screwed epicly.
And incase your wondering if a reload speed helps much? CCP used to have a reload Speed buff on the Caldari Assault suits. Then players started realizing if you max out your reload speed skill with the suit bonus you would reload faster then changing your weapon.... Allowing you to use your main weapon full time.
This made the suit stronger then other assaults in direct duals when TTK was actually a thing in DUST. CCP then had to remove the bonus and then they adjusted the gun reload skill multipliers so the skill investment players made based on a suit bonus didn't hurt as bad.
That reload bonus is strong and has been proven in Fact through DUST's history. |
CYRAX SERVIUS
Death Firm.
Canis Eliminatus Operatives
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Posted - 2014.03.13 16:09:00 -
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Because in six months when they attempt to balance suits AGAIN, I can laugh at everyone crying for a full respec because they skilled out of assaults into the latest FOTM, AGAIN.
Keeping my Min and Cal assaults, with my 4mil unallocated sp plus this weekends event, Hmmmmm, lots of options...
CEO
Whiskey squad leader
Official Dust 514 movie style popcorn manufacturer and distributor.
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DootDoot
Da Short Buss
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Posted - 2014.03.13 16:11:00 -
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CYRAX SERVIUS wrote:Because in six months when they attempt to balance suits AGAIN, I can laugh at everyone crying for a full respec because they skilled out of assaults into the latest FOTM, AGAIN.
Keeping my Min and Cal assaults, with my 4mil unallocated sp plus this weekends event, Hmmmmm, lots of options...
I Doubt it will be even much more then a month before they re adjust Logi suits further.
CCP Logibro has already stated they planned to change the Slot layout and CPU/PG of Logi suits in whole. But didn't have enough time for testing and implementation in 1.8. |
Sarus Rambo
Direct Action Resources
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Posted - 2014.03.13 16:14:00 -
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Fyra Yacile wrote:Will CCP finally understand why so many people hate the stupid reload bonus and change it ?
Anyone who was planning on skilling into the Cal Assault post 1.8 .. don't do it straight away give it a few weeks
I'm going to spec immediately back into Caldari assault because I like being a shield tank medium that's role is to kill stuff. I'm going to love the reload bonus.
This sums up 75% of the forum posts.
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Takron Nistrom
Tinfoil Hatz
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Posted - 2014.03.13 16:15:00 -
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CYRAX SERVIUS wrote:Because in six months when they attempt to balance suits AGAIN, I can laugh at everyone crying for a full respec because they skilled out of assaults into the latest FOTM, AGAIN.
Keeping my Min and Cal assaults, with my 4mil unallocated sp plus this weekends event, Hmmmmm, lots of options...
Yup. Im picking what I want to do and thats it. Wont have to worry about FOTM buffs n nerfs. Ebb and flow.
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Bendtner92
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2014.03.13 16:15:00 -
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DootDoot wrote:I Doubt it will be even much more then a month before they re adjust Logi suits further.
CCP Logibro has already stated they planned to change the Slot layout and CPU/PG of Logi suits in whole. But didn't have enough time for testing and implementation in 1.8.
Eh, changes to medium suits will not come until next update, which will surely not come before Fanfest, and I would say likely not around/shortly after Fanfest either.
Even if they manage to get a new update through around or shortly after Fanfest, what makes you think it will include medium suit changes? Don't you think they would be busy enough with trying to fix this terrible vehicle spam situation rather than working on some slightly broken medium suits?
Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament.
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2Berries
Ghosts of Dawn
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.13 16:20:00 -
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Keeping my cal assault, extremely happy about pulling my sp out of amarr all together. While a cal shield recharge buff would have been nicer i think the reload bonus will go well with the magsec smg.
Putting my money on cal scouts w/rr & magsec's for fotm. |
CYRAX SERVIUS
Death Firm.
Canis Eliminatus Operatives
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Posted - 2014.03.13 16:25:00 -
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Please don't tell anyone we actually have an intelligent conversation going here, it will get ruined.
I don't understand why people would want to dump what they have to have something else. Just skill into it and have another suit.
I have proto Cal assault and Logi, proto Min assault, Five proto weapons with full five supporting skills, cores are maxed along with shield and armour skills maxed also, recharge, regulation, etc...
Along with my unallocated sp, I'm in a really good spot to take some time to really look at the new stuff when it comes out and decide what to skill into next as I can already fill many roles on the field.
Proto scout or proto heavy?
HMMMMM...
CEO
Whiskey squad leader
Official Dust 514 movie style popcorn manufacturer and distributor.
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Funkmaster Whale
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2014.03.13 16:32:00 -
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Bonus means nothing. CalAssault is still the best overall Assault suit.
Most people will still be spamming RR/CR meaning shields might be viable again with the reduced TTK. Couple that with damage mods being borderline useless and you make way for shield rechargers/energizers to come into play.
If you think suit bonuses are what make it or break it then you're playing this game wrong. In most scenarios, every other Assault bonus is just as pitiful. The bonuses are meant to augment the suit, not define it.
Let me play you the song of my people!
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DootDoot
Da Short Buss
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Posted - 2014.03.13 16:36:00 -
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Bendtner92 wrote:DootDoot wrote:I Doubt it will be even much more then a month before they re adjust Logi suits further.
CCP Logibro has already stated they planned to change the Slot layout and CPU/PG of Logi suits in whole. But didn't have enough time for testing and implementation in 1.8. Eh, changes to medium suits will not come until next update, which will surely not come before Fanfest, and I would say likely not around/shortly after Fanfest either. Even if they manage to get a new update through around or shortly after Fanfest, what makes you think it will include medium suit changes? Don't you think they would be busy enough with trying to fix this terrible vehicle spam situation rather than working on some slightly broken medium suits?
Logi suits won't be slightly broken... They will still outslay the Assault suits... because the changes don't really affect slayer logi's... just actual Multi purpose ACTUAL REAL Logi's..
This has been a massive balance issue since Uprising launch and one left for Logibro largely to come up with solutions.. Who could say really about the next patch? I Could see them implementing something right before fanfest, wouldnt be the first time.
We could say Vehicle spam will still be an issue in the next patch... But with changes to TTK and AV i don't see it being as big of a problem as 1.7... And Tanks are on that balance point where just small tweaks will bring them in line.. So even small decreases in their effeciency or ability to withstand punishment will make drastic improvements. |
NextDark Knight
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2014.03.13 16:38:00 -
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That reload is going to be OP!! Can't wait..
Tactical sniper for the win!
BTW,, Next update logi's might have a reload penalty.
Forge Changes needed Officer Splash 3.0, Proto 2.7 Advanced 2.5 Standard 2.1.
Original ROF needs to return!
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The dark cloud
The Rainbow Effect
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2014.03.13 16:52:00 -
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After the patch hits i will get heavy, logi and scout. Simply cause when i want to help my team i play as logi, when i want to hold a point against multiple enemys i will play as logi and if i want to flank and go undetected i will pick the scout.
I shall show you a world, a world which you cant imagine, a world full off butthurt n00bs at the other end of my gun
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Joel II X
Dah Gods O Bacon
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Posted - 2014.03.13 16:55:00 -
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It's not that it's bad, it's that it doesn't make sense on that suit. Plus, it's already in every Commando... |
Luk Manag
of Terror
TRE GAFFEL
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Posted - 2014.03.13 16:56:00 -
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I for one will not skill into the Caldari Assault. With the huge multi-role logi nerf, we'll have to run more logi races at all times.
I wasn't happy about the reload buff because I never run the RR on my main. If I had gone with the RR, I might consider keeping my Caldari Assault skill. Oh well. WTS 700 Caldari Assault ck.0 suits (Some day soon?).
There will be bullets. ACR+SMG
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Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2014.03.13 16:57:00 -
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Still better then the Gallente Assault.
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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SILVERBACK 02
SVER True Blood
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.13 16:57:00 -
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im skilling into cal assault..
"just a heavy scrub with a rail rifle"
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Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
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Posted - 2014.03.13 16:59:00 -
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I'm looking at the 1.8 numbers for Assault and Logistics:
Assaults have significantly higher shield and armor than Logistics.
Logistics do have lower shield regeneration delays than Assaults. This is their primary combat related benefit.
Assaults have higher shield regeneration rates than Logistics.
Assaults have higher ground speed than Logistics.
Assaults have higher stamina and stamina regeneration than Logistics.
Assaults will have an easier time fitting prototype weapons than Logistics.
Adapt or Die // Republic Lance Commander // @ReesNoturana
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Zahle Undt
Bullet Cluster
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2014.03.13 17:02:00 -
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The Attorney General wrote:I don't even understand why people would spec assault suits, especially with the huge buff logis just got.
What huge logi buff?
Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
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calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.13 17:04:00 -
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i'm speccing out of cal assault =)
not touching that again with a 1000 foot pole
honestly i haven't thought about which assault suit to use, none of them really leap out at me as amazing. |
Zahle Undt
Bullet Cluster
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2014.03.13 17:05:00 -
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Oh and more on topic, if you look past the mediocre specific bonus you would see that the Caldari assault has the best slot layout of the class. It is a solid suit standard through proto where as the other races assault suits are pretty bad at standard and are only usable advanced and beyond.
Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
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Beck Weathers
Ghosts of Dawn
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.13 17:10:00 -
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Caldari comando gets a reload bonus AND a RR damage bonus, GG CCP
These forums must be located in the Californin country side, there is whine as far as the eye can see.
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Sarus Rambo
Direct Action Resources
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Posted - 2014.03.13 17:37:00 -
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The Attorney General wrote:I don't even understand why people would spec assault suits, especially with the huge buff logis just got.
Going Assault would be the wise choice since you know if Logis are better at the Assault's intended role they are going to nerf Logis back into their niche. Going with something just because its better NOW is very short sighted. That's why you see all these frikin respec threads, because people never understood that suits have intended roles and that even if they aren't in that intended role NOW they will be LATER.
This sums up 75% of the forum posts.
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Soldner VonKuechle
SAM-MIK
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.13 17:44:00 -
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DootDoot wrote:Fyra Yacile wrote:Will CCP finally understand why so many people hate the stupid reload bonus and change it ?
Anyone who was planning on skilling into the Cal Assault post 1.8 .. don't do it straight away give it a few weeks Uhhh the Caldari Assault suit, beside the Amarr assault(Completely depending on SCR changes) is the second best Assault suit. The Caldari Assault is strong probably the best all around suit in the class.. The gallente and Minmatar? they got screwed epicly. And incase your wondering if a reload speed helps much? CCP used to have a reload Speed buff on the Caldari Assault suits. Then players started realizing if you max out your reload speed skill with the suit bonus you would reload faster then changing your weapon.... Allowing you to use your main weapon full time. This made the suit stronger then other assaults in direct duals when TTK was actually a thing in DUST. CCP then had to remove the bonus and then they adjusted the gun reload skill multipliers so the skill investment players made based on a suit bonus didn't hurt as bad. That reload bonus is strong and has been proven in Fact through DUST's history.
I've missed that reload bonus since the day they took it away. With the return of a higher ttk and it's correlated shield tank viability, the cal assault will still be and incredibly viable and versatile suit. Whether it's building a buffer tanked long range RR monstrosity or a brick tanked dual magsec, the 25% is gonna be you're dark horse in the applied dps race.
If you don't understand politics or pulling triggers, I have no use for you.
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Takron Nistrom
Tinfoil Hatz
255
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Posted - 2014.03.13 19:09:00 -
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Personally, I think they need to swap the slots on logi and assault.
You wants lots of equip, go logi.
You want lots of slots, go assault.
Giving logi both is broke. A logi doesnt need all those slots to logi, but an assault could use them to slay better, coupled with assault bonuses, yes please.
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LEHON Xeon
Ahrendee Mercenaries
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.13 19:23:00 -
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I am fleeing my Caldari Assault like I'm running out of a nuclear wasteland. That thing is going to be a POS after this patch. Goin Amarr logi for links and either Gallente logi for scans or Gallente scout for infiltration/assassination.
It's a trap! In this patch we can't repel firepower of that magnitude! - Admiral Ackbar would say in ambush w Nyain San
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Toby Flenderson
research lab
337
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Posted - 2014.03.13 19:26:00 -
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Kasote Denzara wrote:As someone who ran Commando for quite some time, I'll tell you this:
The reloading bonus is nice. Any other Commando runner will agree with me there.
I'll probably just skill into it pre-1.8 with my saved up so just to see what I'm missing. I was always curious but never wanted to invest in another suit. |
jerrmy12 kahoalii
Pradox XVI
Proficiency V.
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Posted - 2014.03.13 19:29:00 -
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Fyra Yacile wrote:Will CCP finally understand why so many people hate the stupid reload bonus and change it ?
Anyone who was planning on skilling into the Cal Assault post 1.8 .. don't do it straight away give it a few weeks
Im definitely not going in, im going scout and heavy, suits how I play, just flanjed many people in scanbush
Closed beta vet
Logi,
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The Terminator T-1000
Skynet Incorporated
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Posted - 2014.03.13 19:37:00 -
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The Attorney General wrote:I don't even understand why people would spec assault suits, especially with the huge buff logis just got.
what buff? |
CYRAX SERVIUS
Death Firm.
Canis Eliminatus Operatives
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Posted - 2014.03.13 20:02:00 -
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calisk galern wrote:i'm speccing out of cal assault =)
not touching that again with a 1000 foot pole
honestly i haven't thought about which assault suit to use, none of them really leap out at me as amazing.
That's the way it should be, balanced. No suit, no bonus, no racial ability should give it a distinct advantage over any other without an appropriate countermeasure.
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Whiskey squad leader
Official Dust 514 movie style popcorn manufacturer and distributor.
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Smooth Assassin
Stardust Incorporation
IMMORTAL REGIME
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Posted - 2014.03.13 20:03:00 -
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The Attorney General wrote:I don't even understand why people would spec assault suits, especially with the huge buff logis just got.
Didn't they (Logibro) agreed a nerf was appropriate?
Assassination is my thing.
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XxGhazbaranxX
The New Age Outlaws
WINMATAR.
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Posted - 2014.03.13 20:13:00 -
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The Attorney General wrote:I don't even understand why people would spec assault suits, especially with the huge buff logis just got.
It's weird because the logi suit only got a buff if your planning to use it as a slayer logi; anyone intending to use it as a logi got nerfed to the ground to the point that even with the bonuses the suits give, most equipment tiers the suit specializes in will be completely useless.
Plasma Cannon Advocate
Heavy event survivor
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Soldner VonKuechle
SAM-MIK
General Tso's Alliance
379
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Posted - 2014.03.13 20:51:00 -
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XxGhazbaranxX wrote:The Attorney General wrote:I don't even understand why people would spec assault suits, especially with the huge buff logis just got. It's weird because the logi suit only got a buff if your planning to use it as a slayer logi; anyone intending to use it as a logi got nerfed to the ground to the point that even with the bonuses the suits give, most equipment tiers the suit specializes in will be completely useless.
And that's only if you're a cal logi, other wise it seems slayer logistics are substantially weaker.
If you don't understand politics or pulling triggers, I have no use for you.
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Vespasian Andendare
Subsonic Synthesis
RISE of LEGION
637
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Posted - 2014.03.13 21:20:00 -
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Takron Nistrom wrote:Yup. Im picking what I want to do and thats it. Wont have to worry about FOTM buffs n nerfs. Ebb and flow. This is BY FAR the best advice in this thread.
I'm speccing Caldari suits because I love the speed you get from shield tanking, the naturally regenerative tank, and the ability to outrange most opponents with a rail rifle and get a bonus for using it. Others will prefer Minmatar's natural speed, preference toward shield (but not totally leaving armor out) tanking, hacking bonuses, etc. Some players will like Gallente's armor healing and scan bonuses, while the rest will prefer Amarr's heavy brick tanks, laser weaponry and increased sprint times.
Dust is finally evolving into a rich game that it deserves to be. It's got a long way to go, but it's getting there. Pick what style you like, what "brand" of the universe you prefer that each race offers. Once you pick that, you'll be infinitely happier playing the game, because its in a style you like. Chasing the FOTM will only result in you spending all your time chasing and no time enjoying.
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