DUST Search - Large Railguns - How to Balance Them

lAssassinl Zer0 wrote:

Harpyja wrote:

Identifiable imbalances of the large railgun:
- DPS is too high
- Overheat mechanic is negligible
- Damage and ROF is too high (which make DPS too high)
- Too effective at CQC

Proposed balance solution:
Revert stats to those of the compressed railguns in 1.6, in addition to adding a new mechanic.

This is just my opinion, but large railguns needed no other buff going into 1.7 other than the render fix. Large railguns had no problem destroying vehicles prior to 1.7, and they would've been balanced going into 1.7 if their attributes remained unchanged. Again, all they needed was the render fix so that they can actually engage at long range, which is quite the buff in my opinion.

The new mechanic I propose is aimed at reducing the large railgun's effectiveness in CQC. The factor at play here is mobility. A rail tank has just as much mobility as any other tank, so all that it has to do is drive in a straight line which prevents the other tank from out maneuvering them, while being able to apply its full DPS since the other tank is entirely trackable.

When a railgun is spooling up, down, or holding a charge for continuous fire, the tank becomes immobilized, just like the breach forge gun, while still allowing turret rotation. This in no way would affect long range sniping, because the tank is already stationary. On the other hand, this will give CQC tanks a higher chance of successfully engaging a rail tank at CQC since the rail tank can no longer be mobile and fire back at the same time.

Feedback would be appreciated, especially any Dev response

Rail guns are supposed to be the AV turret, their DPS is not too high, at the contrary, every AV weapons should be scale on it.
Active Damagers are the problem, 30% is way too high.

Yes for immobilization while shooting. But don't forget a blaster Turret is NOT supposed to won against a Rail turret.
Blaster wipe out infantry but is weak agianst vehicules.
Rail wipe out vehicules but is weak agianst infantry.

To avoid Redline Railguns all the game, shooting from distance should be harder, maybe add some gravity could rule the problem.

Oh and...You think a Rail turret destroy vehicules too fast (No damager) ? In fact it' the way it would supposed to work for every AV weapons.
Again don't forget the actual Tanks are Militia / STD.


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Zero Harpuia Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 1460	Posted - 2014.03.15 15:40:00 - [1] - Quote ladwar wrote: Harpyja wrote: ladwar wrote: ballistics..... its better than any nerf. yet i have a feeling people don't want to change rail from anti-vehicle(including air and ground) to anti-ground armor and learn how to counter drop.... point and click is too "HARD" for some people. By itself it won't solve the problem of its high DPS and high effectiveness in CQC. I only see ballistics making sniping require more skill. However, given that lore states that the projectile goes at speeds of about 7000m/s, and assuming Earth-like gravity, it means that at max range the projectile should only drop 0.04 meters, and that's rounded up. So I'm afraid that ballistics won't do anything, especially since it takes less than a tenth of a second to reach max range. you know they just throw 7000m/s in there because thats how it works in EVE with zero gravity. even the travel time shows its MUCH lower then that, just add drop and make it slower. i say 1800 m/s and say f it. To be blunt, the railguns we use can't be railguns at the speed they fly. The whole purpose of a railgun is to do damage by chucking a chunk of unremarkable refuse at extreme speeds. That said, it wouldn't be the best, balance wise, to make the Forge Gun and Large Railgun Turret hitscan. I've come to accept that, but it doesn't mean it is right lorewise. It is, however, important for balance. Mini lorehound rant over. As for drop, maybe on the Sniper Rifle. MAYBE. Like Harpyja said, it will in no way effect the CQC problem, and if anything will just encourage those who can't counter it to fight at closer range. I like the original idea, making the tank 'deploy' so it won't flip itself from the recoil sounds both practical and sensible. Shields as Weapons Zelda Dynasty Warriors is a real thing.
Zero Harpuia Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 1460	Posted - 2014.03.15 15:48:00 - [2] - Quote lAssassinl Zer0 wrote: Harpyja wrote: Identifiable imbalances of the large railgun: - DPS is too high - Overheat mechanic is negligible - Damage and ROF is too high (which make DPS too high) - Too effective at CQC Proposed balance solution: Revert stats to those of the compressed railguns in 1.6, in addition to adding a new mechanic. This is just my opinion, but large railguns needed no other buff going into 1.7 other than the render fix. Large railguns had no problem destroying vehicles prior to 1.7, and they would've been balanced going into 1.7 if their attributes remained unchanged. Again, all they needed was the render fix so that they can actually engage at long range, which is quite the buff in my opinion. The new mechanic I propose is aimed at reducing the large railgun's effectiveness in CQC. The factor at play here is mobility. A rail tank has just as much mobility as any other tank, so all that it has to do is drive in a straight line which prevents the other tank from out maneuvering them, while being able to apply its full DPS since the other tank is entirely trackable. When a railgun is spooling up, down, or holding a charge for continuous fire, the tank becomes immobilized, just like the breach forge gun, while still allowing turret rotation. This in no way would affect long range sniping, because the tank is already stationary. On the other hand, this will give CQC tanks a higher chance of successfully engaging a rail tank at CQC since the rail tank can no longer be mobile and fire back at the same time. Feedback would be appreciated, especially any Dev response Rail guns are supposed to be the AV turret, their DPS is not too high, at the contrary, every AV weapons should be scale on it. Active Damagers are the problem, 30% is way too high. Yes for immobilization while shooting. But don't forget a blaster Turret is NOT supposed to won against a Rail turret. Blaster wipe out infantry but is weak agianst vehicules. Rail wipe out vehicules but is weak agianst infantry. To avoid Redline Railguns all the game, shooting from distance should be harder, maybe add some gravity could rule the problem. Oh and...You think a Rail turret destroy vehicules too fast (No damager) ? In fact it' the way it would supposed to work for every AV weapons. Again don't forget the actual Tanks are Militia / STD. The Railgun fires far too quickly, and is far too powerful per shot at higher levels. They can twoshot a set turret even without the mods, and can swat down dropships with their clip size and potshots alone. It's not even that hard to kill soft targets with a direct hit, especially spooling Heavies, because of the rather short refire time. It just has too much DPS, when the Railgun is supposed to be king of Alpha and crap at DPS. Railguns are NOT supposed to be the end-all-be-all for AV. They are supposed to be powerful weapons at longer ranges. A Blaster will devour a Railgun if it closes the distance, just as a Railgun will devour a Blaster at its own optimal range. Shields as Weapons Zelda Dynasty Warriors is a real thing.