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Egonz4
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2014.03.12 21:32:00 -
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All they did is release a couple dev blogs with content we knew was coming, and yet people have already decided to leave? A dropsuit respec aint much but it should keep the game interesting 4 a while. All the other stuff will come soon just be happy we finally have all the racial variants in.
MASTER OF THE FLAYLOCK
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Tim Rapp
Wake N' Bake Inc
Top Men.
106
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Posted - 2014.03.12 21:41:00 -
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Well said good sir |
XxWarlordxX97
4206
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Posted - 2014.03.12 21:41:00 -
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I love it!!!! my heavies are coming!!!!!
Elite heavy
"I don't rage.I get even"
my first match in weeks
47/5
I love the Caldari Sentinel
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XxWarlordxX97
4206
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Posted - 2014.03.12 21:42:00 -
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I see hate mail in my future
Elite heavy
"I don't rage.I get even"
my first match in weeks
47/5
I love the Caldari Sentinel
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Karl Marx II
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
388
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Posted - 2014.03.12 21:45:00 -
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Egonz4 wrote:All they did is release a couple dev blogs with content we knew was coming, and yet people have already decided to leave? A dropsuit respec aint much but it should keep the game interesting 4 a while. All the other stuff will come soon just be happy we finally have all the racial variants in.
My Theme
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Hellkeizer
The Avutora Complex
207
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Posted - 2014.03.12 21:46:00 -
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I think it's because the respec isn't a full one. I'd like a refund for the pistols but I could live without one
Waiting on PvE
"Don't chu go disrespecting coconut water!" Chakra Attack
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
1705
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Posted - 2014.03.12 21:46:00 -
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People hate every patch. And they demand more patches.
I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
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Egonz4
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
90
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Posted - 2014.03.12 21:47:00 -
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Karl Marx II wrote:Egonz4 wrote:All they did is release a couple dev blogs with content we knew was coming, and yet people have already decided to leave? A dropsuit respec aint much but it should keep the game interesting 4 a while. All the other stuff will come soon just be happy we finally have all the racial variants in.
haha okay
guess I answered my own question : D
but still it'll refund quite some sp
MASTER OF THE FLAYLOCK
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Aikuchi Tomaru
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1948
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Posted - 2014.03.12 21:48:00 -
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Egonz4 wrote:All they did is release a couple dev blogs with content we knew was coming, and yet people have already decided to leave? A dropsuit respec aint much but it should keep the game interesting 4 a while. All the other stuff will come soon just be happy we finally have all the racial variants in.
Simple: They gave a respec. Now people arguing against it are mad at CCP for granting it and people arguing for it are mad because it's only a partial respec. And of course Dust-Forum-Warriors don't like reasonable compromises. They want all or biomass their chars.
Oh, and of course they always say CCP never listens to them when they don't get what they want, not recogniozing that their subjective opinion is not what the whole community thinks.
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Nothing Certain
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
300
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Posted - 2014.03.12 21:50:00 -
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Human nature. They have done studies with children and have found that negative feedback is delivered by parents and teachers over 10 times as often as positive feedback. When people are happy, crickets, when people aren't, gnashing of teeth. This lends itself to preemptive griping.
Because, that's why.
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Nothing Certain
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
300
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Posted - 2014.03.12 21:53:00 -
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I guess I should add that I think they came up with a good compromise and along with the event, which is fairer to new players than a respec, it was a pretty good solution.
Because, that's why.
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Mordecai Sanguine
What The French
531
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Posted - 2014.03.12 21:56:00 -
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Egonz4 wrote:All they did is release a couple dev blogs with content we knew was coming, and yet people have already decided to leave? A dropsuit respec aint much but it should keep the game interesting 4 a while. All the other stuff will come soon just be happy we finally have all the racial variants in.
"No full respec"
As a Logi going to Commando, it means i should lose more than 10 Million SP (Half of my SP) in equipements secondaries etcetc....
I'm not going to lose half of Life SP (More than Half a year.) because CCP is to stupid to see the problem with a partial Respec.
Only suits i'm using are Amarr.
The only Amarr released things is a Scout suit dedicated to....stamina. USELESS AND BORING.
Oh and they didn't fixed Vehicules, so what the point about new suits / weapons / bonus while 90% of battles si going to be in OP Tanks ? They even reduced AV grenades.
That's why.
1.8 is bringing lot of things that's kinda cool, but afterall..... Nothing intresting for me. Stuck with Logi role i don't wanna play.
So i stop playing (I don't wanna Slayer Logi.). |
Egonz4
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
91
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Posted - 2014.03.12 21:59:00 -
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Nothing Certain wrote:Human nature. They have done studies with children and have found that negative feedback is delivered by parents and teachers over 10 times as often as positive feedback. When people are happy, crickets, when people aren't, gnashing of teeth. This lends itself to preemptive griping.
yes partially even though i was in a crappy mood until i read the dev blog :D
MASTER OF THE FLAYLOCK
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Mordecai Sanguine
What The French
531
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Posted - 2014.03.12 22:00:00 -
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Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:Egonz4 wrote:All they did is release a couple dev blogs with content we knew was coming, and yet people have already decided to leave? A dropsuit respec aint much but it should keep the game interesting 4 a while. All the other stuff will come soon just be happy we finally have all the racial variants in. Simple: They gave a respec. Now people arguing against it are mad at CCP for granting it and people arguing for it are mad because it's only a partial respec. And of course Dust-Forum-Warriors don't like reasonable compromises. They want all or biomass their chars. Oh, and of course they always say CCP never listens to them when they don't get what they want, not recogniozing that their subjective opinion is not what the whole community thinks.
Because 1.8 was supposed to be a "Reborn".
The only day we could have a full Respec because Full Racial Line up is out.
In the end it's a ridiculous respec.
My logi role maded me spend more than 8/10 million SP in equipements/secondaries.
I wanted to go commando, but now i'm stuck with Logi role i don't wanna play, give me a reason to still playing while they want me to lose half of my SP and 6 months play to finally play in something i on't want... |
Aeon Amadi
Edimmu Warfighters
Gallente Federation
5186
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Posted - 2014.03.12 22:00:00 -
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A number of reasons that all pertain to balance, for me. Granted, most of these are just speculation and I could very well be wrong (albeit I was -totally- right about the Rail Rifle before it was released and had a false sense of security when it was later changed).
1) Assault Rifle got nerfed into the dirt. The Assault Combat Rifle and Assault Scrambler Rifle both out-range and out-DPS it, with the ACR actually having lower fitting requirements. All of the AR variants got needlessly nerfed despite their not having any popular use for many, many builds.
2) Ion Pistol looks flimsy consider it overheats after a single charged shot, has less damage per round, less range and -more- fitting requirements than the Scrambler Pistol. I'd like to believe that the charged shot would make it awesome but the Scrambler Pistol already dishes out 300% - 400% more damage on a headshot so, there's that. Also there's the fact that it has a sharpshooter skill which reduces the dispersion and I can't help but wonder how much dispersion it's going to have with 20m optimal range...
3) SMG. The Magsec SMG out-ranges and out-DPSes it. 'nuff said about that.
4) Gallente Assault dispersion reduction. I'm a strong believer that having less dispersion isn't exactly something you (always) want in CQC fights and this pretty much stacks with the sharpshooter skill for other weapons. I'm in wait-and-see mode for this because they could have increased the dispersion on the AR to compensate but even that would be a bad move considering how hard it was nerfed.
5) Gallente Commando looks like a more shield-tanky Amarr Commando. The bonus to damage is nice but the slightly increased speed and 1HP armor repair/sec doesn't really offset the additional armor that the Amarr Commando has when they have the same slot layout. As previously mentioned the ASCR out-performs the AR anyway so you're not exactly losing anything when both are dishing out primarily shield damage from Proficiency skill bonuses.
6) AV vs Vehicle balance is getting hit pretty hard. Reduced grenades, weapon proficiency changes and the nerf to damage mods isn't doing this argument any favors and we're likely to see an imbalance if there wasn't already one.
Just to name a few that PERSONALLY affect me. Anyway, sorry for the long-winded post, I'm just very very wary of how this is going to progress and I'm not exactly optimistic. But, you know what they say - always gets worse before it gets better.
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Egonz4
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2014.03.12 22:00:00 -
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Nothing Certain wrote:I guess I should add that I think they came up with a good compromise and along with the event, which is fairer to new players than a respec, it was a pretty good solution.
definitely
first the respec and then hopefully a million sp.... +1 ccp
MASTER OF THE FLAYLOCK
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Disturbingly Bored
Forum Warfare
2021
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Posted - 2014.03.12 22:02:00 -
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Mordecai Sanguine wrote:I'm not going to lose half of Life SP (More than Half a year.) because CCP is to stupid to see the problem with a partial Respec.
Actually, yes you are. That is exactly what is going to happen to you.
I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - draconian forum overlord CCP Logibro]
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Aikuchi Tomaru
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1951
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Posted - 2014.03.12 22:03:00 -
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Mordecai Sanguine wrote:Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:Egonz4 wrote:All they did is release a couple dev blogs with content we knew was coming, and yet people have already decided to leave? A dropsuit respec aint much but it should keep the game interesting 4 a while. All the other stuff will come soon just be happy we finally have all the racial variants in. Simple: They gave a respec. Now people arguing against it are mad at CCP for granting it and people arguing for it are mad because it's only a partial respec. And of course Dust-Forum-Warriors don't like reasonable compromises. They want all or biomass their chars. Oh, and of course they always say CCP never listens to them when they don't get what they want, not recogniozing that their subjective opinion is not what the whole community thinks. Because 1.8 was supposed to be a "Reborn". The only day we could have a full Respec because Full Racial Line up is out.
What is that full racial line up you're talking about? It's there with 1.8? Well then: Let me jump out of my Amarr MCC, call in a Minmatar Dropship into which I jump using my Heavy suit outfittet with a Caldari Heavy weapon.
Quote:In the end it's a ridiculous respec.
My logi role maded me spend more than 8/10 million SP in equipements/secondaries.
I wanted to go commando, but now i'm stuck with Logi role i don't wanna play, give me a reason to still playing while they want me to lose half of my SP and 6 months play to finally play in something i on't want...
You wanted to play Commando... and specced into Logi... with everything you had. Do you want me to tell you outright that this was stupid or shall I say it with more tactfulness? Besides that: Your commando suit still has an equipment slot. You can still use equipment.
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darkiller240
WarRavens
League of Infamy
578
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Posted - 2014.03.12 22:05:00 -
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Because tanks are still not getting nerfed
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein
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Hynox Xitio
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
376
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Posted - 2014.03.12 22:08:00 -
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I instinctually hate it because they didn't acknowledge my weapon idea that was posted probably after 1.8 had been fully developed. Who are they to not comply with my irrational demands for a free to play game?
MAGIC GUN PORTAL
Unleash the Fogwoggler
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Henchmen21
Planet Express LLC
733
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Posted - 2014.03.12 22:42:00 -
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Because history has shown CCP Shanghai isn't very good at QA or testing in general. Every patch they release or change something that is so blatantly wrong or OP that it breaks the game.
CCP you better nail 1.8, as it stands 1.7 is a total disaster.
Henchmen21: Infantry
Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
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Joseph Ridgeson
WarRavens
League of Infamy
714
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Posted - 2014.03.12 22:48:00 -
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There is also the "I started as a Commando and I still want to be a Commando but I want to be Minmatar." They are not changing roles but now they 'have' to use a Minmatar weapon. If they had points in Assault Rifle, it is 'wasted' for their Commando now because it is blatantly worse to be a Minmatar Commando with a non-Minmatar weapon that Minmatar Commando + Minmatar Weapon. Same argument for any of the Assaults now.
C'est la DUST 514.
I think some of the artwork on some of the new suits looks goofy. Caldari Heavy looks like a fatter version of me in a bomb-squad suit and Gallente Heavy has a forehead like a finishing trowel. Will be interesting to see how the look once they are rendered and moving around. |
Zirzo Valcyn
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
189
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Posted - 2014.03.12 22:56:00 -
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i just go with it now but understandably some people are upset.. if i had more invested in ground pounding i probably would to. but the respec for me just means i get to throw a chunk of suit command SP i dont really use towards finally completing my dropship
ppl need to see it from CCPs stance to because if they give in to full respec demands they open their can of worms to entitllement that every time we have a major update they have to repeat the full respec since they did it this time, not saying i dont support a full respec but i understand their stance on it
u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll.
forum warrior .189
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Zahle Undt
Bullet Cluster
Legacy Rising
900
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Posted - 2014.03.12 23:21:00 -
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I can't say I hate 1.8 yet and I am really looking forward to trying out Cal commando and seeing if it plays how I think it will. However, I know CCP has f*cked up balance with the Sentinel suits and I think it will be a shame if we do indeed see a game where everyone is either a fatty toting an HMG or a stick man running around invisible (though I'll be doing the invisible stick thing some myself)
The respec thing doesn't effect me too much becasue I get to switch out of one of my logi suits. Yeah I would have liked to get back the SP I put into things I don't plan on using much like MD and flaylock, but its not that big a deal for me...but I have 30 million SP with a couple more to come if we have a successful weekend as a community.
Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
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