DUST Search - Sniping in 1.8

Cotsy8 wrote:

CRNWLLC wrote:

While I sort of understand the rationale behind increased TTK, I am a little concerned about what it means for sniping (and, to a lesser extent, other alpha-focused roles, like shotgun scouts).

As it stands, it was clearly a poor decision to recently skill into complex damage mods. Standard level are unchanged (huzzah! Roll

), advanced get nerfed 20% (previously 5%, now 4%), but complex get docked 50 FRICKEN PERCENT (from 10% to 5%)!!!! At least we get dropsuit command skills refunded which is totally fair on its own, since they didn't add or change any equipment in 1.8... Roll

This is absurd. What else has been "rebalanced" this extremely? Certainly nothing in 1.7 or 1.8... community--please enlighten me, because I don't understand this.

Maybe I'm missing something, but extending TTK seems to be primarily important/relevant to troops on the frontline, most of whom wield high-DPS, automatic weapons. The biggest damage nerf any of the automatic rifles got was 15.6%... hmm... Wonder if nerfing those weapons just a little more would be a more equitable way of dealing with the problem for all players? Nah. Let's kick damage mods in the taint, instead.

I feel like this is going to make sniping much less viable. Here is some math using a charge sniper rifle as an example:

Pre-1.8
Base damage = 321.9 x 1.09 (+9% from Proficiency 3) = 350.87 x 1.21 (approx. +21% from 3 complex damage mods) = 424.55 x 1.75 (headshot bonus) = 742.97 per head shot.

Post-1.8
Base damage = 321.9 x 1.09 (+9% from Proficiency 3) = 350.87 x 1.11 (approx. +11% from 3 complex damage mods) = 389.47 x 1.75 (headshot bonus) = 681.56 per head shot.

This turns out to be about an 8.3% difference in total damage output. I don't think this is too big a deal on its own, but I keep reading all sorts of things about dual-tanking becoming the norm, buffs to shield mods (couldn't find anything from the devs about this, but I've read it in numerous threads), etc. If these ideas carry any weight, I can foresee OHK sniping (aka, sniping) becoming a sweet memory.

Maybe none of this will matter with the way damage types, racial suits, and resistances are rebalanced? I'm doubtful this is the case.

Thoughts? Feelings?

I understand that 1.8 might hurt sniping, it is going to hurt everything but Sents and Tanks. There will be far less logi skater totes (900-1000) eHP floating around and a massive increase in scouts who can be one shot'd.. I'm. It saying there is a trade off here, I am just saying there might be more targets at lower eHP as people will abandon assault class for Cal and Gal(Corrected for common sense) scout suits.

Secondly, it appears from SS that there will be more than one Sniper Rifle, more than one type of Nova Knife. This leads me to believe that snipers might be getting more options of which type of weapon they want to fire. Although no details have been released and I've only seen pictures of what looks to be new knifes and long range rifles, it appears this will help snipers in the future. Not saying 1.8 will be a friendly place with eHP everywhere and dam mods lowered, but snipers in general should be fighting for better sniping positions around the map to allowed for more varied play and positioning for 1.8.

It appears the commando might be the best suit for sniping due to racial bonus and high eHP, scout suits will offer 2 equipment slots and the Cal and Gal bonuses are both strong for a sniper. There are more options in suits, hopefully more soft targets, and i really hope more type of SR to be released to have a variety type of weapon (rail, plasma etc). It doesn't matter if one race is the long range type, its a war and in war every side should have a sniper type,long range rifle.

Sniping will always have a role in the game, the skilled snipers can always dictate an outcome or hold off a capture point. I hope every class is a viable option going forward, i hate to see one class or one races heavy (cal,or gal) dominate.

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Faquira Bleuetta Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 283	Posted - 2014.03.15 04:57:00 - [1] - Quote Cotsy8 wrote: CRNWLLC wrote: While I sort of understand the rationale behind increased TTK, I am a little concerned about what it means for sniping (and, to a lesser extent, other alpha-focused roles, like shotgun scouts). As it stands, it was clearly a poor decision to recently skill into complex damage mods. Standard level are unchanged (huzzah! ), advanced get nerfed 20% (previously 5%, now 4%), but complex get docked 50 FRICKEN PERCENT (from 10% to 5%)!!!! At least we get dropsuit command skills refunded which is totally fair on its own, since they didn't add or change any equipment in 1.8... This is absurd. What else has been "rebalanced" this extremely? Certainly nothing in 1.7 or 1.8... community--please enlighten me, because I don't understand this. Maybe I'm missing something, but extending TTK seems to be primarily important/relevant to troops on the frontline, most of whom wield high-DPS, automatic weapons. The biggest damage nerf any of the automatic rifles got was 15.6%... hmm... Wonder if nerfing those weapons just a little more would be a more equitable way of dealing with the problem for all players? Nah. Let's kick damage mods in the taint, instead. I feel like this is going to make sniping much less viable. Here is some math using a charge sniper rifle as an example: Pre-1.8 Base damage = 321.9 x 1.09 (+9% from Proficiency 3) = 350.87 x 1.21 (approx. +21% from 3 complex damage mods) = 424.55 x 1.75 (headshot bonus) = 742.97 per head shot. Post-1.8 Base damage = 321.9 x 1.09 (+9% from Proficiency 3) = 350.87 x 1.11 (approx. +11% from 3 complex damage mods) = 389.47 x 1.75 (headshot bonus) = 681.56 per head shot. This turns out to be about an 8.3% difference in total damage output. I don't think this is too big a deal on its own, but I keep reading all sorts of things about dual-tanking becoming the norm, buffs to shield mods (couldn't find anything from the devs about this, but I've read it in numerous threads), etc. If these ideas carry any weight, I can foresee OHK sniping (aka, sniping) becoming a sweet memory. Maybe none of this will matter with the way damage types, racial suits, and resistances are rebalanced? I'm doubtful this is the case. Thoughts? Feelings? I understand that 1.8 might hurt sniping, it is going to hurt everything but Sents and Tanks. There will be far less logi skater totes (900-1000) eHP floating around and a massive increase in scouts who can be one shot'd.. I'm. It saying there is a trade off here, I am just saying there might be more targets at lower eHP as people will abandon assault class for Cal and Gal(Corrected for common sense) scout suits. Secondly, it appears from SS that there will be more than one Sniper Rifle, more than one type of Nova Knife. This leads me to believe that snipers might be getting more options of which type of weapon they want to fire. Although no details have been released and I've only seen pictures of what looks to be new knifes and long range rifles, it appears this will help snipers in the future. Not saying 1.8 will be a friendly place with eHP everywhere and dam mods lowered, but snipers in general should be fighting for better sniping positions around the map to allowed for more varied play and positioning for 1.8. It appears the commando might be the best suit for sniping due to racial bonus and high eHP, scout suits will offer 2 equipment slots and the Cal and Gal bonuses are both strong for a sniper. There are more options in suits, hopefully more soft targets, and i really hope more type of SR to be released to have a variety type of weapon (rail, plasma etc). It doesn't matter if one race is the long range type, its a war and in war every side should have a sniper type,long range rifle. Sniping will always have a role in the game, the skilled snipers can always dictate an outcome or hold off a capture point. I hope every class is a viable option going forward, i hate to see one class or one races heavy (cal,or gal) dominate. (n+ëGèÖGÇ+GèÖ)n+ën+PpÇÄG£º~TEARS~G£ºpÇÅ 1.8 Laser rifle buff faq will be back to melt all ur sorry ass the good ol chromosomes days.