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Berserker007
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Posted - 2014.03.12 16:12:00 -
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Well, to the devs and cpm for not giving a good enough voice, thanks for the 1/2 a$$ed respect.
This essentially entails, that those who shield tank, are still gana be inferior to those of armor tankers b/c if you want to change from shield to armor tank you need to invest an extra 1.8M SP to do that besides just switching your suit (which you are given). So this allows armor tankers an extra 1.8M cushion to use; and you are still leaving people with wasted/useless SP from weapons/skill they no longer want/need pending on what they are changing their suit.
To you DEVS (and be nice for an actual dev to answer), what was your logic/reasoning behind only giving a dropsuit respect. Did you even consider the point of people changing entire classes that makes what they have null in void? As if I was to want to go from my Mini assault, to say an Gal heavy, my nanohives, uplinks, all weapons etc would be "useless". As at this point id need to invent around 3-4M sp into armor skills and heavy weapons (as not type to run LW in a heavy suit).
So yeah, this may not be the most proper or cordial way to get a DEV response, but I'd be very much interested in how you came up with this decision?
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Buster Friently
Rosen Association
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Posted - 2014.03.12 16:14:00 -
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Berserker007 wrote:Well, to the devs and cpm for not giving a good enough voice, thanks for the 1/2 a$$ed respect.
This essentially entails, that those who shield tank, are still gana be inferior to those of armor tankers b/c if you want to change from shield to armor tank you need to invest an extra 1.8M SP to do that besides just switching your suit (which you are given). So this allows armor tankers an extra 1.8M cushion to use; and you are still leaving people with wasted/useless SP from weapons/skill they no longer want/need pending on what they are changing their suit.
To you DEVS (and be nice for an actual dev to answer), what was your logic/reasoning behind only giving a dropsuit respect. Did you even consider the point of people changing entire classes that makes what they have null in void? As if I was to want to go from my Mini assault, to say an Gal heavy, my nanohives, uplinks, all weapons etc would be "useless". As at this point id need to invent around 3-4M sp into armor skills and heavy weapons (as not type to run LW in a heavy suit).
So yeah, this may not be the most proper or cordial way to get a DEV response, but I'd be very much interested in how you came up with this decision?
Well, it was only the dropsuits that changed. Seems simple enough to me. Or do you also want a weapon respec and an everything else respec just because?
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Posted - 2014.03.12 16:14:00 -
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Posted - 2014.03.12 16:15:00 -
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Leadfoot10
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
754
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Posted - 2014.03.12 16:15:00 -
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You're never going to keep everyone happy, but the proposed partial respec seems to be an even-handed and equitable compromise to me. |
Berserker007
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Posted - 2014.03.12 16:16:00 -
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CYRAX SERVIUS wrote:Got popcorn?
sure, buttered or unbuttered?
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Posted - 2014.03.12 16:16:00 -
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CYRAX SERVIUS wrote:Got popcorn?
Nope headache after yesterday eve with bottle of vine
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.03.12 16:17:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:Berserker007 wrote:Well, to the devs and cpm for not giving a good enough voice, thanks for the 1/2 a$$ed respect.
This essentially entails, that those who shield tank, are still gana be inferior to those of armor tankers b/c if you want to change from shield to armor tank you need to invest an extra 1.8M SP to do that besides just switching your suit (which you are given). So this allows armor tankers an extra 1.8M cushion to use; and you are still leaving people with wasted/useless SP from weapons/skill they no longer want/need pending on what they are changing their suit.
To you DEVS (and be nice for an actual dev to answer), what was your logic/reasoning behind only giving a dropsuit respect. Did you even consider the point of people changing entire classes that makes what they have null in void? As if I was to want to go from my Mini assault, to say an Gal heavy, my nanohives, uplinks, all weapons etc would be "useless". As at this point id need to invent around 3-4M sp into armor skills and heavy weapons (as not type to run LW in a heavy suit).
So yeah, this may not be the most proper or cordial way to get a DEV response, but I'd be very much interested in how you came up with this decision?
Well, it was only the dropsuits that changed. Seems simple enough to me. Or do you also want a weapon respec and an everything else respec just because? Simplest example:
You skilled plates and armor reps each to 5 for your Amarr Sentinel while you waited for your Caldari or Minmatar Sentinel.
Now, that SP would be better spent on the relevant shield skills instead.
Who deliberately CHOOSES to do that? Why refund the SP at all if you aren't going to let people get the skills that correspond with that suit? All it does is give high SP players who tried a bunch of suits the chance to reclaim that SP and choose a single suit, while shafting people who actually were patiently waiting for their races BACKLOGGED suits to come out.
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Berserker007
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Posted - 2014.03.12 16:18:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Berserker007 wrote:Well, to the devs and cpm for not giving a good enough voice, thanks for the 1/2 a$$ed respect.
This essentially entails, that those who shield tank, are still gana be inferior to those of armor tankers b/c if you want to change from shield to armor tank you need to invest an extra 1.8M SP to do that besides just switching your suit (which you are given). So this allows armor tankers an extra 1.8M cushion to use; and you are still leaving people with wasted/useless SP from weapons/skill they no longer want/need pending on what they are changing their suit.
To you DEVS (and be nice for an actual dev to answer), what was your logic/reasoning behind only giving a dropsuit respect. Did you even consider the point of people changing entire classes that makes what they have null in void? As if I was to want to go from my Mini assault, to say an Gal heavy, my nanohives, uplinks, all weapons etc would be "useless". As at this point id need to invent around 3-4M sp into armor skills and heavy weapons (as not type to run LW in a heavy suit).
So yeah, this may not be the most proper or cordial way to get a DEV response, but I'd be very much interested in how you came up with this decision?
Well, it was only the dropsuits that changed. Seems simple enough to me. Or do you also want a weapon respec and an everything else respec just because? Simplest example: You skilled plates and armor reps each to 5 for your Amarr Sentinel while you waited for your Caldari or Minmatar Sentinel. Now, that SP would be better spent on the relevant shield skills instead. Who deliberately CHOOSES to do that? Why refund the SP at all if you aren't going to let people get the skills that correspond with that suit? All it does is give high SP players who tried a bunch of suits the chance to reclaim that SP and choose a single suit, while shafting people who actually were patiently waiting for their races BACKLOGGED suits to come out. Classic CCP Buy our Boosters
Thank you from another Vet who understand what im getting at ... +1
Leadfoot10 wrote:You're never going to keep everyone happy, but the proposed partial respec seems to be an even-handed and equitable compromise to me.
see DF post, about how much of a fair compromise this is
As ive said before i respect both Kain and Nova on CPM, but as a whole CPM is a 100% let down on this matter, as i know for a fact they were pushing for a 100% infantry respect and anything short would be wasted, based on what both me and Dust Fiend showed
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ShalaShasta 666
Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2014.03.12 16:19:00 -
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just be glad your not a logi with level 5 in 95% of the drop suit upgrades skills and every rifle thats ever been nerfed 5+5 better than nothing
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Heimdallr69
Heaven's Lost Property
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Posted - 2014.03.12 16:20:00 -
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I'd like a weapon respec I skilled into ar, scr, md, pro 5 when that's all they had now I never use them so it's all wasted sp
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Buster Friently
Rosen Association
2012
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Posted - 2014.03.12 16:20:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Berserker007 wrote:Well, to the devs and cpm for not giving a good enough voice, thanks for the 1/2 a$$ed respect.
This essentially entails, that those who shield tank, are still gana be inferior to those of armor tankers b/c if you want to change from shield to armor tank you need to invest an extra 1.8M SP to do that besides just switching your suit (which you are given). So this allows armor tankers an extra 1.8M cushion to use; and you are still leaving people with wasted/useless SP from weapons/skill they no longer want/need pending on what they are changing their suit.
To you DEVS (and be nice for an actual dev to answer), what was your logic/reasoning behind only giving a dropsuit respect. Did you even consider the point of people changing entire classes that makes what they have null in void? As if I was to want to go from my Mini assault, to say an Gal heavy, my nanohives, uplinks, all weapons etc would be "useless". As at this point id need to invent around 3-4M sp into armor skills and heavy weapons (as not type to run LW in a heavy suit).
So yeah, this may not be the most proper or cordial way to get a DEV response, but I'd be very much interested in how you came up with this decision?
Well, it was only the dropsuits that changed. Seems simple enough to me. Or do you also want a weapon respec and an everything else respec just because? Simplest example: You skilled plates and armor reps each to 5 for your Amarr Sentinel while you waited for your Caldari or Minmatar Sentinel. Now, that SP would be better spent on the relevant shield skills instead. Who deliberately CHOOSES to do that? Why refund the SP at all if you aren't going to let people get the skills that correspond with that suit? All it does is give high SP players who tried a bunch of suits the chance to reclaim that SP and choose a single suit, while shafting people who actually were patiently waiting for their races BACKLOGGED suits to come out. Classic CCP Buy our Boosters
Oh, I understand why people want a larger respec. Frankly, they'll always want more.
Be happy that you got this respec, and it makes sense. Only the dropsuits changed, therefore the refund should only be for dropsuits.
Now, if you think you want to change weapons, etc, you did save up SP for that anticipating changes in 1.8 right?
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Grimmnyr Odynson
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.03.12 16:20:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Berserker007 wrote:Well, to the devs and cpm for not giving a good enough voice, thanks for the 1/2 a$$ed respect.
This essentially entails, that those who shield tank, are still gana be inferior to those of armor tankers b/c if you want to change from shield to armor tank you need to invest an extra 1.8M SP to do that besides just switching your suit (which you are given). So this allows armor tankers an extra 1.8M cushion to use; and you are still leaving people with wasted/useless SP from weapons/skill they no longer want/need pending on what they are changing their suit.
To you DEVS (and be nice for an actual dev to answer), what was your logic/reasoning behind only giving a dropsuit respect. Did you even consider the point of people changing entire classes that makes what they have null in void? As if I was to want to go from my Mini assault, to say an Gal heavy, my nanohives, uplinks, all weapons etc would be "useless". As at this point id need to invent around 3-4M sp into armor skills and heavy weapons (as not type to run LW in a heavy suit).
So yeah, this may not be the most proper or cordial way to get a DEV response, but I'd be very much interested in how you came up with this decision?
Well, it was only the dropsuits that changed. Seems simple enough to me. Or do you also want a weapon respec and an everything else respec just because? Simplest example: You skilled plates and armor reps each to 5 for your Amarr Sentinel while you waited for your Caldari or Minmatar Sentinel. Now, that SP would be better spent on the relevant shield skills instead. Who deliberately CHOOSES to do that? Why refund the SP at all if you aren't going to let people get the skills that correspond with that suit? All it does is give high SP players who tried a bunch of suits the chance to reclaim that SP and choose a single suit, while shafting people who actually were patiently waiting for their races BACKLOGGED suits to come out. Classic CCP Buy our Boosters
Million Clone challenge, even without a booster, if we hit the benchmark, will net you an extra 1 mil sp. Add to that your weekly cap and the sp from the heavy event and bam, soon as 1.8 drops you'll have enough to get your shield tanking skills up (while still having the extra armor for a little extra tank). HTFU and quit being a ***** about it.
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Pvt Numnutz
R 0 N 1 N
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Posted - 2014.03.12 16:22:00 -
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This refund is for people who have been waiting for their racial suit. Eg cal scout or any of the heavies. If the player didn't invest anything into their given tank that they wanted to go into then that's poor planning on your part. You don't get a refund for weapons because new weapons don't automatically mean refund. They aren't changing them that drastically anyway so deal with it. Don't blame CCP for your own ineptitude, and stop whining like a 5 year old, HTFU! |
Berserker007
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Posted - 2014.03.12 16:23:00 -
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Grimmnyr Odynson wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Berserker007 wrote:Well, to the devs and cpm for not giving a good enough voice, thanks for the 1/2 a$$ed respect.
This essentially entails, that those who shield tank, are still gana be inferior to those of armor tankers b/c if you want to change from shield to armor tank you need to invest an extra 1.8M SP to do that besides just switching your suit (which you are given). So this allows armor tankers an extra 1.8M cushion to use; and you are still leaving people with wasted/useless SP from weapons/skill they no longer want/need pending on what they are changing their suit.
To you DEVS (and be nice for an actual dev to answer), what was your logic/reasoning behind only giving a dropsuit respect. Did you even consider the point of people changing entire classes that makes what they have null in void? As if I was to want to go from my Mini assault, to say an Gal heavy, my nanohives, uplinks, all weapons etc would be "useless". As at this point id need to invent around 3-4M sp into armor skills and heavy weapons (as not type to run LW in a heavy suit).
So yeah, this may not be the most proper or cordial way to get a DEV response, but I'd be very much interested in how you came up with this decision?
Well, it was only the dropsuits that changed. Seems simple enough to me. Or do you also want a weapon respec and an everything else respec just because? Simplest example: You skilled plates and armor reps each to 5 for your Amarr Sentinel while you waited for your Caldari or Minmatar Sentinel. Now, that SP would be better spent on the relevant shield skills instead. Who deliberately CHOOSES to do that? Why refund the SP at all if you aren't going to let people get the skills that correspond with that suit? All it does is give high SP players who tried a bunch of suits the chance to reclaim that SP and choose a single suit, while shafting people who actually were patiently waiting for their races BACKLOGGED suits to come out. Classic CCP Buy our Boosters Million Clone challenge, even without a booster, if we hit the benchmark, will net you an extra 1 mil sp. Add to that your weekly cap and the sp from the heavy event and bam, soon as 1.8 drops you'll have enough to get your shield tanking skills up (while still having the extra armor for a little extra tank). HTFU and quit being a ***** about it.
This has nothing to do with HTFY and stuff. I have the the spare SP to do it; but it is the principal of the thing, as i can look past myself and see others in the community. Those who aren't big vets with 20+M sp, a full respect is something that'd of benefited them much more
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.03.12 16:23:00 -
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Grimmnyr Odynson wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Berserker007 wrote:Well, to the devs and cpm for not giving a good enough voice, thanks for the 1/2 a$$ed respect.
This essentially entails, that those who shield tank, are still gana be inferior to those of armor tankers b/c if you want to change from shield to armor tank you need to invest an extra 1.8M SP to do that besides just switching your suit (which you are given). So this allows armor tankers an extra 1.8M cushion to use; and you are still leaving people with wasted/useless SP from weapons/skill they no longer want/need pending on what they are changing their suit.
To you DEVS (and be nice for an actual dev to answer), what was your logic/reasoning behind only giving a dropsuit respect. Did you even consider the point of people changing entire classes that makes what they have null in void? As if I was to want to go from my Mini assault, to say an Gal heavy, my nanohives, uplinks, all weapons etc would be "useless". As at this point id need to invent around 3-4M sp into armor skills and heavy weapons (as not type to run LW in a heavy suit).
So yeah, this may not be the most proper or cordial way to get a DEV response, but I'd be very much interested in how you came up with this decision?
Well, it was only the dropsuits that changed. Seems simple enough to me. Or do you also want a weapon respec and an everything else respec just because? Simplest example: You skilled plates and armor reps each to 5 for your Amarr Sentinel while you waited for your Caldari or Minmatar Sentinel. Now, that SP would be better spent on the relevant shield skills instead. Who deliberately CHOOSES to do that? Why refund the SP at all if you aren't going to let people get the skills that correspond with that suit? All it does is give high SP players who tried a bunch of suits the chance to reclaim that SP and choose a single suit, while shafting people who actually were patiently waiting for their races BACKLOGGED suits to come out. Classic CCP Buy our Boosters Million Clone challenge, even without a booster, if we hit the benchmark, will net you an extra 1 mil sp. Add to that your weekly cap and the sp from the heavy event and bam, soon as 1.8 drops you'll have enough to get your shield tanking skills up (while still having the extra armor for a little extra tank). HTFU and quit being a ***** about it. This does not address SP wasted by CCPs backlogged changes.
You can get all the skills you want, what you're missing is that this is supposed to a universe where your choices matter, yet your choices are being made for you.
Therefore, your choices do not matter.
Pvt Numnutz wrote:This refund is for people who have been waiting for their racial suit. Eg cal scout or any of the heavies. If the player didn't invest anything into their given tank that they wanted to go into then that's poor planning on your part. You don't get a refund for weapons because new weapons don't automatically mean refund. They aren't changing them that drastically anyway so deal with it. Don't blame CCP for your own ineptitude, and stop whining like a 5 year old, HTFU! You heard it here.
Amarr heavies should have been shield tanking for the past 2 years, and not invested anything armor.
Bravo good sir, BRAVO!
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Roy Ventus
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Posted - 2014.03.12 16:24:00 -
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Meh. The majority wanted a dropsuit command respec. I personally could care less because I'm going directly into the same thing again(maybe with a few of the SP I spent on dropsuits I don't use on other skills).
It's not everything but it's at least something.
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Leadfoot10
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
755
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Posted - 2014.03.12 16:25:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:Now, if you think you want to change weapons, etc, you did save up SP for that anticipating changes in 1.8 right?
That's a very good question/point.
I suspect the biggest whiners are simply those who chose not to plan ahead. |
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CCP Logibro
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.12 16:26:00 -
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Sigberct Amni
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2014.03.12 16:26:00 -
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Well I was planning on leaving gal logi to maybe do scout or heavy. I don't think that's a great idea anymore. :( |
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