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Posted - 2014.03.12 02:12:00 -
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On other games vehicles are not too much of a issue because you have the choice to use a AV weapon as sidearm. For example here a list of games that do this:
COD:
- the infamous stinger to shot down air support
BF4:
-The engineer is the class that has Stingers/Anti Tank missile launchers as sidearm (and the rep tool did damage to vehicles)
MAG:
-AV is again as sidearm which allowed you to take out APC's, helicopters and turrets on bunkers
Titanfall:
Every class has a AV weapon against titans as sidearm
Allmost every shooter that has some reputation has AV as sidearm listed. If tankers say that it should need more then 1 guy to take them on then so be it but only if plasma cannons and swarm launchers become sidearms. It is not a hard thing to do in terms of coding. Just go and change the light AV weapons from the light weapon slot to the sidearm slot. And who cares if you see a heavy with a forgegun+swarm launcher running after tanks? He cant do anything against infantry.
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Posted - 2014.03.12 02:23:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Not going to lie.
Tanks are in a bad place right now. Too powerful.
But in other games you balance those AV weapons by class, unsure of titan fall, but these other games do not see you pitting your own assets against other players.
If every unit could carry an AV and primary weapon there would be no place for vehicle users on the map.
At the moment its like this:
-vehicles kill infantry and can take on other vehicles
-infantry can kill other infantry but cant take on vehicles while beeing in their regular suit which has no AV weapon
The current low costs, high survivability and low powered AV requires that light AV weapons should be switched over to sidearms. It is not like back in the days where a tank could easy cost 1 million ISK+. And you seem to underestimate the value of a decent sidearm like a SMG. Whenever you run out of ammo in a gunfight you want that SMG/scrambler pistol.
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Posted - 2014.03.12 02:27:00 -
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Atiim wrote:I believe CCP is trying to implement a similar mechanic with the Commando suits.
I'm not saying no or anything, but I want to see how this plays out first.
Commandos are not really good for AV. Too slow, not much of fitting options etc. We need this so that every 1 ranging from the newest player to the oldest vet can contribute in fighting vehicles back. And if you dont believe me then you should see how ambush matches turn out with 7 tanks on one side.
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Posted - 2014.03.12 02:35:00 -
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Alena Ventrallis wrote:A forge gun as a sidearm...
Please quote me where i sayd that forgeguns should be sidearms. Cause they are heavy weapons and if you cant read my post please stay out.
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Posted - 2014.03.12 03:36:00 -
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You guys think that this would be unbalanced but how many actually specced ino proto swarms or plasma cannons? Allmost nobody does that anymore. And another few points why light AV weapons should be sidearms are:
-swarms cannot prevent a hardened shield tank from recharging its shields
-swarms deal only half of their damage against dropships and that is without a hardener running.
-plasma cannons are 1 shot weapons which have the lowest DPS out of all AV weapons
-Fitting proto Rifles and proto AV weapons on a dropsuit is allmost impossible without massive drawbacks
-you have to decide what damage mod you gonna use. Either enhance performance as Anti infantry or AV. Cause sidearms require other damage mods.
Even if 10 people would shot a hardened gunnlogi with swarms they couldnt stop the shield recharge which negates all incoming damage. Armor tanks could be destroyed but they have more HP and their hardeners run longer. And does any 1 tried to shot a dropship with swarms? Its a futile cause simply due to the fact that swarms deal roughly only 50% of their damage against them. Which means it would take 8 swarm launchers to take down 1 hardened python (if you are lucky).
Tanks take the pace out of the game cause once you switched to AV you are allmost a free kill for every 1 wielding a proper gun.
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Posted - 2014.03.12 15:10:00 -
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This would aswell shift the balance from "slayer logis" to assaults and scouts. Cause most logis do not have a sidearm slot. And smaller scale vehicles do just fine cause they have aswell access to hardeners. Just look at the Saga-II it can fit 2 hardeners and take on swarm launchers and even blaster tanks while its activated. And no im not joking im talking from experience.
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Posted - 2014.03.12 15:21:00 -
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Kigurosaka Laaksonen wrote:C0TS wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:Give Logistic suits (after nerfing them) a special slot for AV only. This is genius. Great idea. So you guys support moving AV to Logistics instead of making it a separate role?
It is allready a sperate role. Thats the problem with it. Making a new suit that has some sort of small bonus to it would be plain stupid. Its allready way too hard for AV to survive the infantry around the tank.
I shall show you a world, a world which you cant imagine, a world full off butthurt n00bs at the other end of my gun
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