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IMMORTAL WAR HERO
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Posted - 2014.03.11 11:57:00 -
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the freezing glitch we are seeing i think my be cuased by ccp having problems coding unreal engine...... many devoloperrs run into issues were unreal cuases system or pc crash
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Himiko Kuronaga
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Posted - 2014.03.11 12:02:00 -
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Careful kids.
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GTA V FTW
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Posted - 2014.03.11 12:03:00 -
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Because it was cheap and easy.
Kinda like CCP's Devs. |
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Posted - 2014.03.11 12:03:00 -
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Im guessing:
Because PS3 HW sucks and couldnt handle their previous engine.
Because it was a cheap band aid to continue with the project.
Drop it like its hat.
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Sam Tektzby
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Posted - 2014.03.11 12:05:00 -
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I dont know, maybe because it was one of most used engines at time.
Basicaly they made a big mistakes, there is a big amount of better ones.
I know Unreal have one of the most advanced core physic mechanics.
But for what is that, if CCP cant fix glitches and bugs like "soil-catch" (do you know that shock when you running on eemy and in one second something catch you for foots, like zombie in some b-movie),
invisible walls (today i was on map and i tried to take cover near to hill aprox five metres from me and guess what, i stuck on invisible wall two metres from edge of that hill),
cornering (do you know that feeling when you saw enemy behind corner, you threw grenade and that nade bump from air ner corner back) and many many more.
I just dont know why this, there is many many other licensable engines better and easier for Ps3 optimization.
But hell, how they cook that, now they must eat that.
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Beeeees
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.03.11 12:08:00 -
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GTA V FTW wrote:Because it was cheap and easy.
Kinda like CCP's Devs.
#SHOTSFIRED
But in all seriousness, CCP ditched Carbon because the PS3 shat itself running it.
The only reason to pick UE I can think of is time restraints.
Its not exactly the hardest to code for, and it was already optimized for consoles.
The problem is not that its somehow hard to code right for, the problem is with the UE that its inherentely sh!t.
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Sam Tektzby
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Posted - 2014.03.11 12:09:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Careful kids.
Disassociatives like cough syrup may sound like a good time, but as you can see it can really screw with your ability to perform basic functions such as the ability to spell anything or form a relevant thought.
Hell i love calpol 
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Sam Tektzby
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Posted - 2014.03.11 12:11:00 -
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Beeeees wrote:GTA V FTW wrote:Because it was cheap and easy.
Kinda like CCP's Devs. #SHOTSFIRED But in all seriousness, CCP ditched Carbon because the PS3 shat itself running it. The only reason to pick UE I can think of is time restraints. Its not exactly the hardest to code for, and it was already optimized for consoles. The problem is not that its somehow hard to code right for, the problem is with the UE that its inherentely sh!t.
Honestly wasnt that just optimization again, because i dont trust them anymore after all that lies before.
AC, Motorstorm, TLoU, GTAV, Mirrors Edge all these games had awesome efects and graphics.
Ps3 is not that weak, how they told us.
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Beeeees
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Posted - 2014.03.11 12:18:00 -
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Sam Tektzby wrote:
Ps3 is not that weak, how they told us.
The PS3 really is that weak.
Consoles are inherentely weaker hardware-wise than contemporary PC parts. At launch, even.
You know, 720p, or rather its 4:3 equivalent, 1024x768 was PC standart in 2004.
Thats 10 years ago.
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Sam Tektzby
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Posted - 2014.03.11 12:36:00 -
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Beeeees wrote:Sam Tektzby wrote:
Ps3 is not that weak, how they told us.
The PS3 really is that weak. Consoles are inherentely weaker hardware-wise than contemporary PC parts. At launch, even. You know, 720p, or rather its 4:3 equivalent, 1024x768 was PC standart in 2004. Thats 10 years ago.
Dust was announced 2009, that five years later than you PC standart info.
Oki Dust was announced 2009 and they didnt know, they will have problems?!
Thats stupid even more, honestly.
Another fishy thing on whole story with engines.
You know how i see that, i agree its mostly made up story, but i see that like.
They had engine prepared, but it was late for its improvements/optimization/finishing and they ask sony.
But sony told:"Nope boyos you had your time, now we want see progress."
A guess what, they told:"Hmm we have this concept but engine is not properly finished and optimized for Ps3."
Sony gave them razor on throat, because there was just barely started project and CCP arives with this AWESOME idea about Unreal engine, what was really great with all that thingies, but after some time and beta release, the imaginary scythe hit the stone and CCP found terible think.
They cant do that properly again 
Da da daaaaa
And from that time they blaming Ps3 from its weakness, but there is hidden thing.
Why other studios made that and CCP not, thats the real thing, the reall question
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Jack Boost
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Posted - 2014.03.11 12:49:00 -
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There is cause why:
- One point was - built in multiplayer - layer in engine (good scaling - but we still miss 64x64 and 128x128 players at maps but it is possible).
- Second some more platforms like PC and XBOX, but Microsoft want to much money for store and patch systems.. So best option was made it 'exclusive' for Sony (at last for few years... so not fast we get PC version  )
Just dig deeper ;) and dont cry now... Grow man make decision and live with it.
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Mac Dac
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Posted - 2014.03.11 12:59:00 -
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Beeeees wrote:Sam Tektzby wrote:
Ps3 is not that weak, how they told us.
The PS3 really is that weak. Consoles are inherentely weaker hardware-wise than contemporary PC parts. At launch, even. You know, 720p, or rather its 4:3 equivalent, 1024x768 was PC standart in 2004. Thats 10 years ago.
yes and consoles are made to be affordable first. remember when the PS3 came out with that fancy blu-ray player built in? The thing was dam near $600 and hardly anyone bought it.
come on... you think microsoft, the company that owns what most computers run off and is probably whats running your computer, doesn't have the top of the line cpu assets to put into their Xbox.
and i just relized you put "PC standart" instead of standard... im sorry but i can be a little anal about these things. :/
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Sam Tektzby
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Posted - 2014.03.11 13:00:00 -
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I dont know if that crying was on me, i actually never cried about game.
MAG that is pretty one example, what Ps3 can.
With properly optimized engine we can have MAG-DOMINATION scale battles.
But honestly, what i see roght now is bigger push on players wallet without a reasonable progress.
MAVs, Jets, rolepay, pilotsuits, full connection with EvE etc.
Thats all somehow was lost, even core mechanix and balance is missed and i mean from start.
"More and more CCP is lost.", as told by master yoda 
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RydogV
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Posted - 2014.03.11 13:13:00 -
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I always found it strange that when CCP realized they could not use Carbon effectively, why they didn't just licence Havok software? All the best looking games on PS3 were built on it (Uncharted, The Last of Us, Killzone 2&3) and it obviously can be optimized to get the most out of PS3 hardware. Even MAG used it I think. It is pretty much set up for shooters too.
Oh well, let's hope there is a better plan for PS4 someday. |
Proto Annihilator
Fraternity of St. Venefice
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.03.11 13:16:00 -
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It was drawn from a hat. After several Wing nights and burning poops someone decided to make a game. |
Sam Tektzby
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Posted - 2014.03.11 13:17:00 -
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Yup havok, i ..i just dont know why unreal.
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Jack McReady
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Posted - 2014.03.11 13:48:00 -
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GTA V FTW wrote:Because it was cheap and easy.
Kinda like CCP's Devs.
obviously suits them well  |
Malkai Inos
Onikanabo Brigade
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.03.11 13:58:00 -
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RydogV wrote:I always found it strange that when CCP realized they could not use Carbon effectively, why they didn't just licence Havok software? All the best looking games on PS3 were built on it (Uncharted, The Last of Us, Killzone 2&3) and it obviously can be optimized to get the most out of PS3 hardware. Even MAG used it I think. It is pretty much set up for shooters too.
Oh well, let's hope there is a better plan for PS4 someday. Havok is not an engine. It's a SDK mostly used for physics, of which there isn't very much in dust.
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Altina McAlterson
Pure Innocence.
EoN.
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Posted - 2014.03.11 14:20:00 -
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Because the only game CCP has published is on PC and they are unfamiliar with console programming. The PS3's processor is a nightmare to try and figure out how to code for it in the beginning so they needed something that already worked and would be easy to pick up.
Because the only engine CCP has ever used to publish a game doesn't work on PS3 so they needed the fastest route to get the game up and running. Since Unreal is probably going to require the least amount of modifications to make it work it most likely seemed the prudent choice.
Not saying it was a good or bad decision...just saying it was the path of least resistance.
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Sam Tektzby
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Posted - 2014.03.11 14:39:00 -
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Malkai Inos wrote:RydogV wrote:I always found it strange that when CCP realized they could not use Carbon effectively, why they didn't just licence Havok software? All the best looking games on PS3 were built on it (Uncharted, The Last of Us, Killzone 2&3) and it obviously can be optimized to get the most out of PS3 hardware. Even MAG used it I think. It is pretty much set up for shooters too.
Oh well, let's hope there is a better plan for PS4 someday. Havok is not an engine. It's a SDK mostly used for physics, of which there isn't very much in dust, and certainly not the prime reason for the graphical fidelity of those games.
Good point, its basicaly engine for physiques but its still.
It is too difficult to ask for inhouse engine of guerilla killzone for example??
Or anyhing what already working fine and properly?!
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SPESHULz
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Posted - 2014.03.11 18:30:00 -
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meh $300 ps3 has lasted 6 years $1500 computer lasted 18 months
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IMMORTAL WAR HERO
NECROM0NGERS
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Posted - 2014.03.11 21:02:00 -
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SPESHULz wrote:meh $300 ps3 has lasted 6 years $1500 computer lasted 18 months
xd i like my ps3 better 2 but problem i dont think is ps3..... many games run fine on ps3....im talking about the egine that was used to replace carbon engine
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