DUST Search - Instead of crap damage mods . . .

CRNWLLC wrote:

calisk galern wrote:

Reav Hannari wrote:

Chunky Munkey wrote:

Reav Hannari wrote:

The reduced damage module spread is a good thing. You can cry about short TTK or reduced damage modules but you can't have both.

Personally I wasn't too fussed about TTK, but if damage mods made a difference to it, then clearly they were worth using.
So I think it's perfectly viable to complain about both.

Worth using to the point that the only viable fit was to stack damage mods and run with armor plates? Yeah, that's healthy for diversity of fits and tactics.

if damage mods were +10% damage but -10% range would they have been as viable? Would they have been useless?

like wise if you had a module that did +10% range but -10% damage would you find a use for it.

if the answer to any or all of those questions were maybe or with some weapons then they would of been operating properly, giving different fit different advnatage allowing players to play to their weapons strengths.

The idea of increasing damage output at the cost of reduced range is anathema to sniping--no, sir, I don't like it!

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Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3369	Posted - 2014.03.10 16:57:00 - [1] - Quote . . . why not give us actual weapon mods? Ammo capacity Clip size Reload speed ROF I can't speak for the rest of the community, but I'd happily give up ALL damage mods in favour of, say, a reload mod for my HMG, or more ammo for my pistols. No.
Sgt Buttscratch KILL-EM-QUICK 1952	Posted - 2014.03.10 16:59:00 - [2] - Quote I'd sooner have different looking weapons.. aethetics are pleasing in games, My duvolle is a black militia AR..no difference. Lazy lazy development I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
Hecarim Van Hohen Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 571	Posted - 2014.03.10 17:22:00 - [3] - Quote Something is seriously wrong when the best high slot module for my Amarr sentinel is shield extender BANGO SKANK WAS HERE 1.7 best match (HMG): 40/9/9 (K/A/D)
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1234	Posted - 2014.03.10 17:25:00 - [4] - Quote Hecarim Van Hohen wrote: Something is seriously wrong when the best high slot module for my Amarr sentinel is shield extender its still a damage mod amarrs projectile resistance means that stacking DMG mods gives you an edge over every other HMG wielding heavy.
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2630	Posted - 2014.03.10 17:30:00 - [5] - Quote Yes. Yes. Yes. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Hecarim Van Hohen Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 576	Posted - 2014.03.10 17:32:00 - [6] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: Hecarim Van Hohen wrote: Something is seriously wrong when the best high slot module for my Amarr sentinel is shield extender its still a damage mod amarrs projectile resistance means that stacking DMG mods gives you an edge over every other HMG wielding heavy. Really? Well I was going to stick with dmg mods regardless if they were better or not BANGO SKANK WAS HERE 1.7 best match (HMG): 40/9/9 (K/A/D)
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 2083	Posted - 2014.03.10 17:35:00 - [7] - Quote hmmm.... wonder if their would be a way to strike a balance between damage mods, shield mods, reload mods, range mods, and clip size mods. for example clip size mods = + clip - reload range = + range - damage damage = + damage - range shields same but lightly higher shield gain reload + no minus
Knight Soiaire Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5083	Posted - 2014.03.10 17:36:00 - [8] - Quote Pfft, that would make too much sense. Get out of here with your sense, we dont need you! ISK Milkshakes for all (Except the Pubbies)
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 10866	Posted - 2014.03.10 17:37:00 - [9] - Quote RoF can effectively function as a damage mod, though. Ammo efficiency drops, but it still effectively increases your damage output. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3376	Posted - 2014.03.10 17:39:00 - [10] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: RoF can effectively function as a damage mod, though. Ammo efficiency drops, but it still effectively increases your damage output. With any luck, a recoil system that actually works would also serve as a penalty to such a module. No.

Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 561	Posted - 2014.03.10 17:40:00 - [11] - Quote I would like to see this implemented as a weapon rigging system (analogous to EVE's jury rigging of space ships.) Weapons would have a number of rig slots, rigs would use up their own unique fitting resource called Calibration. The rig would be attached directly to the weapon and, just like in EVE, be lost when you died and lost the weapon, or be destroyed if you wanted to take it off to replace it. The rigs themselves would be to the benefit of attributes as you mentioned, among others. The only difficulty I see is figuring out what's what in your inventory screen and fitting window. DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 10870	Posted - 2014.03.10 17:41:00 - [12] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: RoF can effectively function as a damage mod, though. Ammo efficiency drops, but it still effectively increases your damage output. With any luck, a recoil system that actually works would also serve as a penalty to such a module. What is this 'recoil' you speak of? It's not something I've encountered before in Dust. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Containment Unit 398	Posted - 2014.03.10 17:44:00 - [13] - Quote You have the skill tree for what your asking for. Leave all negative comments about tanks in the bin marked " TRASH " and we'll get to it as soon as possible . Thank You
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3376	Posted - 2014.03.10 17:46:00 - [14] - Quote Kigurosaka Laaksonen wrote: I would like to see this implemented as a weapon rigging system (analogous to EVE's jury rigging of space ships.) Weapons would have a number of rig slots, rigs would use up their own unique fitting resource called Calibration. The rig would be attached directly to the weapon and, just like in EVE, be lost when you died and lost the weapon, or be destroyed if you wanted to take it off to replace it. The rigs themselves would be to the benefit of attributes as you mentioned, among others. The only difficulty I see is figuring out what's what in your inventory screen and fitting window. Yeah I've always felt that the weapon variants should be achieved this way. High slots for damage & ROF, lows for ammo & reload etc. A couple of "EQ" slots for scopes or for switching the weapon to full auto/single fire. You could even have CPU & PG modules that turn the weapon "specialist". No.
Shadow Archeus OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 323	Posted - 2014.03.10 17:49:00 - [15] - Quote I've been saying this since chromosome Real heavies use lasers
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3381	Posted - 2014.03.10 17:49:00 - [16] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: You have the skill tree for what your asking for. There's a skill tree for petitioning CCP to replace damage mods? No.
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 3167	Posted - 2014.03.10 17:52:00 - [17] - Quote The reduced damage module spread is a good thing. You can cry about short TTK or reduced damage modules but you can't have both. Adapt or Die // Republic Lance Commander // @ReesNoturana
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3384	Posted - 2014.03.10 18:00:00 - [18] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: The reduced damage module spread is a good thing. You can cry about short TTK or reduced damage modules but you can't have both. Personally I wasn't too fussed about TTK, but if damage mods made a difference to it, then clearly they were worth using. So I think it's perfectly viable to complain about both. No.
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 3167	Posted - 2014.03.10 18:06:00 - [19] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Reav Hannari wrote: The reduced damage module spread is a good thing. You can cry about short TTK or reduced damage modules but you can't have both. Personally I wasn't too fussed about TTK, but if damage mods made a difference to it, then clearly they were worth using. So I think it's perfectly viable to complain about both. Worth using to the point that the only viable fit was to stack damage mods and run with armor plates? Yeah, that's healthy for diversity of fits and tactics. Adapt or Die // Republic Lance Commander // @ReesNoturana
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 2083	Posted - 2014.03.10 18:16:00 - [20] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: Reav Hannari wrote: The reduced damage module spread is a good thing. You can cry about short TTK or reduced damage modules but you can't have both. Personally I wasn't too fussed about TTK, but if damage mods made a difference to it, then clearly they were worth using. So I think it's perfectly viable to complain about both. Worth using to the point that the only viable fit was to stack damage mods and run with armor plates? Yeah, that's healthy for diversity of fits and tactics. if damage mods were +10% damage but -10% range would they have been as viable? Would they have been useless? like wise if you had a module that did +10% range but -10% damage would you find a use for it.

Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3387	Posted - 2014.03.10 18:17:00 - [21] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: Reav Hannari wrote: The reduced damage module spread is a good thing. You can cry about short TTK or reduced damage modules but you can't have both. Personally I wasn't too fussed about TTK, but if damage mods made a difference to it, then clearly they were worth using. So I think it's perfectly viable to complain about both. Worth using to the point that the only viable fit was to stack damage mods and run with armor plates? Yeah, that's healthy for diversity of fits and tactics. I think you're missing the point. The old damage mods were useful, no doubt there. But I'm trying to increase diversity, not stifle it. Plus TTK was about overall weapon damage, not just the modules. It's entirely possible that someone complaining about TTK blamed it on the base weapon stats, in which case a damage mod nerf could be challenged too. No.
CRNWLLC Screwy Rabbit ULC 85	Posted - 2014.03.10 18:27:00 - [22] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: . . . why not give us actual weapon mods? Ammo capacity Clip size Reload speed ROF I can't speak for the rest of the community, but I'd happily give up ALL damage mods in favour of, say, a reload mod for my HMG, or more ammo for my pistols. This nerf is actually making me consider sticking extenders on my Amarr sentinel in 1.8. And that ain't right. Sensibly spoken, kind sir. And there's no reason we couldn't have weapon "mods" that affect damage output, a la ammo types in EVE. Also, is it just me, or is it totally senseless that improving my skill at operating a weapon somehow changes the volume of space my dropsuit has to carry extra ammo....? My other dropsuit is a Python.
Heimdallr69 Heaven's Lost Property 1804	Posted - 2014.03.10 18:29:00 - [23] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: . . . why not give us actual weapon mods? Ammo capacity Clip size Reload speed ROF I can't speak for the rest of the community, but I'd happily give up ALL damage mods in favour of, say, a reload mod for my HMG, or more ammo for my pistols. This nerf is actually making me consider sticking extenders on my Amarr sentinel in 1.8. And that ain't right. Range enhancer Fore grip Ability to change the type of bullets your gun is shooting, cbr shooting lasers etc...jk Resistance modules Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
CRNWLLC Screwy Rabbit ULC 85	Posted - 2014.03.10 18:29:00 - [24] - Quote calisk galern wrote: Reav Hannari wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: Reav Hannari wrote: The reduced damage module spread is a good thing. You can cry about short TTK or reduced damage modules but you can't have both. Personally I wasn't too fussed about TTK, but if damage mods made a difference to it, then clearly they were worth using. So I think it's perfectly viable to complain about both. Worth using to the point that the only viable fit was to stack damage mods and run with armor plates? Yeah, that's healthy for diversity of fits and tactics. if damage mods were +10% damage but -10% range would they have been as viable? Would they have been useless? like wise if you had a module that did +10% range but -10% damage would you find a use for it. if the answer to any or all of those questions were maybe or with some weapons then they would of been operating properly, giving different fit different advnatage allowing players to play to their weapons strengths. The idea of increasing damage output at the cost of reduced range is anathema to sniping--no, sir, I don't like it! My other dropsuit is a Python.
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 684	Posted - 2014.03.10 18:35:00 - [25] - Quote Sgt Buttscratch wrote: I'd sooner have different looking weapons.. aethetics are pleasing in games, My duvolle is a black militia AR..no difference. Lazy lazy development Not only that but even the iron sight wepons share the same model with the scope ist only adjusted for your own personal view . This is clearly not up the current standard for a fps...
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 2084	Posted - 2014.03.10 18:38:00 - [26] - Quote CRNWLLC wrote: calisk galern wrote: Reav Hannari wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: Reav Hannari wrote: The reduced damage module spread is a good thing. You can cry about short TTK or reduced damage modules but you can't have both. Personally I wasn't too fussed about TTK, but if damage mods made a difference to it, then clearly they were worth using. So I think it's perfectly viable to complain about both. Worth using to the point that the only viable fit was to stack damage mods and run with armor plates? Yeah, that's healthy for diversity of fits and tactics. if damage mods were +10% damage but -10% range would they have been as viable? Would they have been useless? like wise if you had a module that did +10% range but -10% damage would you find a use for it. if the answer to any or all of those questions were maybe or with some weapons then they would of been operating properly, giving different fit different advnatage allowing players to play to their weapons strengths. The idea of increasing damage output at the cost of reduced range is anathema to sniping--no, sir, I don't like it! or you could leave the red line O.o sniper rifles have more then enough range to take pretty big hit to range but still shoot from beyond most enemy ranges. that said they could also release a good sniper rifle.....
Supernus Gigas Star Giants 412	Posted - 2014.03.10 19:26:00 - [27] - Quote Hmm... Heat Build up Reduction Mod or Increase Heat Capacity Mod Increased Magazine Capacity Mod Recoil Reduction Mod I want to fire my HMG forever. *FIRE UP THE HEAVY MEAT GRINDER! WE'RE HAVIN' CLONE BURGERS TONIGHT, BOYS!*
THUNDERGROOVE ZionTCD 548	Posted - 2014.03.10 19:37:00 - [28] - Quote No one would use them because they'd come pre-nerfed and HP > any other module type. Amarr Logi \| Amarr Sentinel Projects: TDBS \| SDETool
Smooth Assassin Stardust Incorporation IMMORTAL REGIME 969	Posted - 2014.03.10 19:57:00 - [29] - Quote Its ok now. *Assassination is my thing.*


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