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Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 3443	Posted - 2014.03.09 22:32:00 - [1] - Quote Take a look at this chart and this chart Do you see anything strange? On the left, you have 1.8 sidearm range comparison. It has statistics for weapons such as Burst ScP, Breach ScP, and Tactical ScP. Now take a look at the chart on the left. This chart is from the pre-1.7 devblog on rifle additions/changes. Now look at the weapons; Assault Combat Rifle, Assault Scrambler Rifle, Assault Rail Rifle, Burst Assault Rifle, Tactical Assault Rifle. Notice how at the STD level they are faded, insinuating that these weapons do not/will not exist at that tier. But back track to the pistol ranges chart. Look at specifically Burst and Tactical. Those two weapons currently only exist at ADV, but this chart does not have them faded at STD and PRO. Can one insinuate that 1.8 will bring around the existence of Prototype Burst Scrambler Pistols and possibly the arrival of the Tactical Pistol onto market shelves? I would like some clarification from CCP as to why: Weapon ranges for Tactical are not faded at STD and PRO If this is a mistake Why there are no Assault Sidearms on the charts (is it because of imbalance?) Why Burst SMG and Tactical SMG were put up at all unless they will be brought about in 1.8 I sincerely hope my assumptions are right (all hail the Imperial Breach) I tried Redline Railgunning
Llast 326 An Arkhos 2303	Posted - 2014.03.09 22:35:00 - [2] - Quote Imperial Breach KRRROOOOOOM
Matticus Monk Ordus Trismegistus 1372	Posted - 2014.03.09 22:37:00 - [3] - Quote TAC pistol.... drool Double posting like a Kaiser. (Homage to Ghost Kaiser's impeccable forum etiquette)
Meeko Fent Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 1968	Posted - 2014.03.09 22:37:00 - [4] - Quote Mmmmmm... Tact pistols. They suck, but are cool non the less Because you Wanted to be Something your Not.
Lynn Beck Wake N' Bake Inc Top Men. 831	Posted - 2014.03.09 22:38:00 - [5] - Quote I'm looking forward to the Burst SMG, the Tac tho has me wondering about what is being changed to attain radically higher damage AND range? Bigger bullet makes sense for Breach, as it's heavier, meaning lower Rof and range. The tac tho GAINS range, AND even more damage! This means either a longer propellant cartridge for the bullet, or a much longer barrel.... No SP refund=academy stomping FOR DAYYZ Proud owner of 69 'Fleshriver' Nk's. No i don't buy AUR
Appia Vibbia Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 1404	Posted - 2014.03.09 23:07:00 - [6] - Quote Still a bit annoyed at the Ion Pistol being so terrible. Hurray! It has a charge shot... that overheats at full charge... and will have a higher DPS than a Scrambler. But the Viziam Scrambler Pistol has a Rate of Fire at 500. This is pretty much as fast as you can hit the trigger button. Unless the RoF is reduced on the Assault Scrambler Pistol, TT-3 Assault Scrambler Pistol, Viziam Scrambler Pistol, and Carthum Assault Scrambler Pistol, the Ion Pistol is just going to fall by the way-side and only be used by people that use Gallente Weapons for RP reasons Appia Vibbia for CPM1 AppiaVibbia(at)gmail(dot)com (checked every Monday/Wednesday/Friday)
Talos Alomar Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2128	Posted - 2014.03.09 23:21:00 - [7] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: Mmmmmm... Tact pistols. They suck, but are cool non the less Tac pistols blow ATM (the acronym works multiple ways...) The assault has more range, faster ROF and damage. No reason to use a Tac. currently. I like what I see with most of the changes, though. The Tac needs a big buff to be halfway useful. I don't have any guesses about most of the OP, but I think the Assault sidearms were taken out because they don't really have a point. The Assault ScP is just a better ScP. No downsides besides fitting costs. Redundant weaponry is a waste of server space. I'll miss my carthum assaults, but it's for the best. Balls. That is all.
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 1765	Posted - 2014.03.09 23:29:00 - [8] - Quote Troll CCP put the variants in their tabs but they don't add them to the game. 1.8 it's so secret that nobody know what will be in it, even after patch notes... #SoloDoloreSuCharlie
Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 3446	Posted - 2014.03.09 23:35:00 - [9] - Quote Talos Alomar wrote: Tac pistols blow ATM (the acronym works multiple ways...) The assault has more range, faster ROF and damage. No reason to use a Tac. currently. I like what I see with most of the changes, though. The Tac needs a big buff to be halfway useful. I don't have any guesses about most of the OP, but I think the Assault sidearms were taken out because they don't really have a point. The Assault ScP is just a better ScP. No downsides besides fitting costs. Redundant weaponry is a waste of server space. I'll miss my carthum assaults, but it's for the best. Yeah I always considered it the Cheater Beater of pistols but it did have a noticeably inaccurate hip fire.....by comparison I mean. The Tac Pistol seems like wimp-wash when hipfired but that Zoom! Makes headshots pretty easy when you have the jump. I tried Redline Railgunning
Martyr Saboteur Amarrtyrs 233	Posted - 2014.03.09 23:47:00 - [10] - Quote PRO Burst Pistols make me drool. I think Assault Pistols are a worthy sacrifice to get them. Totally not Fizzer94's forum alt. Definitely just a random dude.
Llast 326 An Arkhos 2310	Posted - 2014.03.09 23:50:00 - [11] - Quote Talos Alomar wrote: I don't have any guesses about most of the OP, but I think the Assault sidearms were taken out because they don't really have a point. The Assault ScP is just a better ScP. No downsides besides fitting costs. Redundant weaponry is a waste of server space. I'll miss my carthum assaults, but it's for the best. I have yet to find an Assault variant of anything that I have used that is simply not just better, no downside except fitting cost (and sometimes even that is not much of an issue) Assault variants of weapons need to be reviewed in my opinion. KRRROOOOOOM
Talos Alomar Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2128	Posted - 2014.03.09 23:53:00 - [12] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: Assault variants of weapons need to be reviewed in my opinion. The fact that they aren't on any list makes me think that they have just been removed. Balls. That is all.
Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 3448	Posted - 2014.03.10 00:00:00 - [13] - Quote Martyr Saboteur wrote: PRO Burst Pistols make me drool. I think Assault Pistols are a worthy sacrifice to get them. I know right! Can't wait to get my hands on some Imperial Breach too, just the magnitude of a headshot from it..... I tried Redline Railgunning
Llast 326 An Arkhos 2310	Posted - 2014.03.10 00:06:00 - [14] - Quote Appia Vibbia wrote: Still a bit annoyed at the Ion Pistol being so terrible. Hurray! It has a charge shot... that overheats at full charge... and will have a higher DPS than a Scrambler. But the Viziam Scrambler Pistol has a Rate of Fire at 500. This is pretty much as fast as you can hit the trigger button. Unless the RoF is reduced on the Assault Scrambler Pistol, TT-3 Assault Scrambler Pistol, Viziam Scrambler Pistol, and Carthum Assault Scrambler Pistol, the Ion Pistol is just going to fall by the way-side and only be used by people that use Gallente Weapons for RP reasons Hey some of us will use the Ion Pistol simply because we enjoy the challenge. Expect to see me wield ing my Flaylock/Ion Pistol combo in the near future Talos Alomar wrote: Llast 326 wrote: Assault variants of weapons need to be reviewed in my opinion. The fact that they aren't on any list makes me think that they have just been removed. Well that is an interesting thought. I wonder if they are removed will it be for rebalancing or simply tossing the lot of em. KRRROOOOOOM
Viktor Hadah Jr Critical-Impact 2944	Posted - 2014.03.10 00:19:00 - [15] - Quote I've really been enjoying my Brust scram pistol over the past few weeks been running regular variant before that but now switched it up. So if there is a possibility of a prototype burst that will make me very happy Selling Templar BPO's 250Mil Last of the BPO's(Click link) I feed off your tears
Talos Alomar Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2128	Posted - 2014.03.10 01:16:00 - [16] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: Talos Alomar wrote: The fact that they aren't on any list makes me think that they have just been removed. Well that is an interesting thought. I wonder if they are removed will it be for rebalancing or simply tossing the lot of em. If the Assault ScP comes back it should be a full auto SMG sort of weapon, like the assault ScR. And I'd be willing to bet that the Assault SMG will never be seen again. In every other facet of this game besides the sidearms (and swarms, I guess. but whatever) the Assault prefix tends to mean "fully automatic". Since the SMG already fires like that the assault prefix can't really do much. It seems altogether way too redundant to be worth rebalancing and getting put back in to the game. Balls. That is all.
Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 3448	Posted - 2014.03.10 02:20:00 - [17] - Quote Talos Alomar wrote: Llast 326 wrote: Talos Alomar wrote: The fact that they aren't on any list makes me think that they have just been removed. Well that is an interesting thought. I wonder if they are removed will it be for rebalancing or simply tossing the lot of em. If the Assault ScP comes back it should be a full auto SMG sort of weapon, like the assault ScR. And I'd be willing to bet that the Assault SMG will never be seen again. In every other facet of this game besides the sidearms (and swarms, I guess. but whatever) the Assault prefix tends to mean "fully automatic". Since the SMG already fires like that the assault prefix can't really do much. It seems altogether way too redundant to be worth rebalancing and getting put back in to the game. Not sure if I can agree with that but they do need to be removed for the sake of removing crutches. I tried Redline Railgunning
Meeko Fent Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 1975	Posted - 2014.03.10 02:44:00 - [18] - Quote Talos Alomar wrote: Llast 326 wrote: Talos Alomar wrote: The fact that they aren't on any list makes me think that they have just been removed. Well that is an interesting thought. I wonder if they are removed will it be for rebalancing or simply tossing the lot of em. If the Assault ScP comes back it should be a full auto SMG sort of weapon, like the assault ScR. And I'd be willing to bet that the Assault SMG will never be seen again. In every other facet of this game besides the sidearms (and swarms, I guess. but whatever) the Assault prefix tends to mean "fully automatic". Since the SMG already fires like that the assault prefix can't really do much. It seems altogether way too redundant to be worth rebalancing and getting put back in to the game. Perhaps... The assault ScP was removed so they could have another Amarr Assault weapon. Lazor SMG FTW! Just as FTW as a RailShotgun. I want both. Because you Wanted to be Something your Not.

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