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Commander Snow-Strike
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.03.09 20:12:00 -
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I used to be an ex Eve player so I made it my priority to find a corporation of like minded mercenaries and that was to serve the Federation. I squaded up with a mercenary who was showing me the basic of Dust 514 by skilling into my core skills and I got armor to level 4 and then he proceeded to give me 12 million ISK. Then Arkena also gave me ISK as we'll. I started running ambush matches and had a fair amount of enjoyment until I played against this group that used the top tier gear. I forgot their name but all I could remember is that San was in their corporation name. Once I finished playing ambush matches I was left with 18 million ISK. So far my new player experience wasn't awful. CCP should emphasize on joining a corporation. |
Roy Ventus
Axis of Chaos
1285
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Posted - 2014.03.09 20:16:00 -
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Commander Snow-Strike wrote:I used to be an ex Eve player so I made it my priority to find a corporation of like minded mercenaries and that was to serve the Federation. I squaded up with a mercenary who was showing me the basic of Dust 514 by skilling into my core skills and I got armor to level 4 and then he proceeded to give me 12 million ISK. Then Arkena also gave me ISK as we'll. I started running ambush matches and had a fair amount of enjoyment until I played against this group that used the top tier gear. I forgot their name but all I could remember is that San was in their corporation name. Once I finished playing ambush matches I was left with 18 million ISK. So far my new player experience wasn't awful. CCP should emphasize on joining a corporation.
The San. Yes, yes I know those bastards.
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They should promote that joining corps helps you get better but at the same time they should also give other ways for players to solo or just play with their group of friends(without having to form a corp). I believe PVE will help and eventually when it becomes solid, it'll be the realm where many players reside in, choosing to not get into PVP much.
"There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all."
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Commander Snow-Strike
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.03.09 20:23:00 -
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Roy Ventus wrote:Commander Snow-Strike wrote:I used to be an ex Eve player so I made it my priority to find a corporation of like minded mercenaries and that was to serve the Federation. I squaded up with a mercenary who was showing me the basic of Dust 514 by skilling into my core skills and I got armor to level 4 and then he proceeded to give me 12 million ISK. Then Arkena also gave me ISK as we'll. I started running ambush matches and had a fair amount of enjoyment until I played against this group that used the top tier gear. I forgot their name but all I could remember is that San was in their corporation name. Once I finished playing ambush matches I was left with 18 million ISK. So far my new player experience wasn't awful. CCP should emphasize on joining a corporation. The San. Yes, yes I know those bastards. --- They should promote that joining corps helps you get better but at the same time they should also give other ways for players to solo or just play with their group of friends(without having to form a corp). I believe PVE will help and eventually when it becomes solid, it'll be the realm where many players reside in, choosing to not get into PVP much. I watched a trailer that contain PVE of clearing drone infestations and that's why I wanted to play so I don't get my ass handed to me. Was disappointed. Now I am disappoint. |
John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy
2253
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Posted - 2014.03.09 20:25:00 -
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"The San", lol. Nice.
OP: While you are absolutely correct about joining a corp, CCP should emphasize everything, as their "tutorial" is pathetic. They may as well just have the AI chick say "We can't be bothered to make a tutorial. Please go to the forums where our community has done it for us."
"The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu
Forum Warrior lv.2
Amarr victor!
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Commander Snow-Strike
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.03.09 20:29:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote:"The San", lol. Nice.
OP: While you are absolutely correct about joining a corp, CCP should emphasize everything, as their "tutorial" is pathetic. They may as well just have the AI chick say "We can't be bothered to make a tutorial. Please go to the forums where our community has done it for us."
Maybe they are trying to push more player interaction because the tutorial left me even more confused that I already was. |
John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy
2255
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Posted - 2014.03.09 20:32:00 -
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Commander Snow-Strike wrote:John Demonsbane wrote:"The San", lol. Nice.
OP: While you are absolutely correct about joining a corp, CCP should emphasize everything, as their "tutorial" is pathetic. They may as well just have the AI chick say "We can't be bothered to make a tutorial. Please go to the forums where our community has done it for us." Maybe they are trying to push more player interaction because the tutorial left me even more confused that I already was.
That's very charitable of you. It's possible but I'm going with the edited version of my post.
"The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu
Forum Warrior lv.2
Amarr victor!
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Vell0cet
SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance
1044
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Posted - 2014.03.09 20:32:00 -
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Welcome to DUST. It sounds like you've already done the most important thing you can as a new player--joining a corp and using teamwork. You seem to have a great attitude so you will probably do very well. You should try out a variety of suit/weapons to pick a playstyle you like (be aware that things will change significantly when 1.8 launches later this month). Then start specializing early. You can be reasonably competitive against 30mill SP players by the time you've got around 5mill SP if you've spent it wisely.
Focus on getting ADV gear, getting your dropsuit upgrade skills up (like you've done with armor), and that will help tremendously with your ISK efficiency. Some people go proto suits too quickly, and it's honestly a waste of ISK/SP until you've got the upgrade skills to make them effective. You should get your primary weapon to proto though and put a couple points into proficiency for it (they're cheap).
Best PvE idea ever!
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Commander Snow-Strike
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.03.09 20:34:00 -
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It is tinfoil hat time. It's a conspiracy |
Roy Ventus
Axis of Chaos
1289
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Posted - 2014.03.09 20:40:00 -
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Commander Snow-Strike wrote:Roy Ventus wrote:Commander Snow-Strike wrote:I used to be an ex Eve player so I made it my priority to find a corporation of like minded mercenaries and that was to serve the Federation. I squaded up with a mercenary who was showing me the basic of Dust 514 by skilling into my core skills and I got armor to level 4 and then he proceeded to give me 12 million ISK. Then Arkena also gave me ISK as we'll. I started running ambush matches and had a fair amount of enjoyment until I played against this group that used the top tier gear. I forgot their name but all I could remember is that San was in their corporation name. Once I finished playing ambush matches I was left with 18 million ISK. So far my new player experience wasn't awful. CCP should emphasize on joining a corporation. The San. Yes, yes I know those bastards. --- They should promote that joining corps helps you get better but at the same time they should also give other ways for players to solo or just play with their group of friends(without having to form a corp). I believe PVE will help and eventually when it becomes solid, it'll be the realm where many players reside in, choosing to not get into PVP much. I watched a trailer that contain PVE of clearing drone infestations and that's why I wanted to play so I don't get my ass handed to me. Was disappointed. Now I am disappoint.
Don't be so disappointed, now. CCP is unveiling non-Planetary Conquest updates to the game at Fanfest. Because they have been looking for A.I. programmers and the fact that PVE was on the list of things to come sooner than later(along with the player market, update to FW which we have received earlier than expected, and Planetary Conquests updates), I'm going to assume that PVE is either the "evolution" they're speaking of or a part of it.
"There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all."
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Joseph Ridgeson
WarRavens League of Infamy
690
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Posted - 2014.03.09 20:41:00 -
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Coming from EVE helps a whole lot. EVE players are used to the idea of "you have these many SP; use them wisely." There are many a new players that immediately put all their points into getting advanced something that they don't have Electronic, Engineering, Dropsuit Shield/Armor Upgrades. I remember hearing a story of one new player that put all their points into Turrets because they believed tanks spawned on the map like they do in the Battlefield series. Jeez, say you make a mistake in EVE and train something that you will never, ever use. Say that you intend only to ever be a Ratter and never venture into fighting players. Training Warp Disruption is useless but for how long are you training it before you realize your mistake? In DUST, a few overzealous clicks can burn away weeks and weeks of time immediately.
The problem is that the "be sure to check the forums for more information" works on a computer MMO. They know that you are on the internet at a PC and can follow the hyperlinks to the numerous "Just starting? Read this first" pages. On a console game, you can't just hyperlink and funnel new players to the forums.
I would say that the New Player Experience is the absolute worst for players that are unfamiliar with EVE. They don't understand fittings or the concepts that are shared between the two games. I believe it used to be better. The Academy used to be like 100k War Points but was changed to like 1,000. So if you have someone that is familiar with FPS and they just kill 20 people over a couple games, they are thrown from fighting Frontline suits to getting to see the joy that is Prototype weaponry. After graduating the academy, you were given a full respec so you can try and test things that you may like. Depending on how well the person does overall each match or how much they play, the Academy could last several weeks. This meant that it slowed down the integration of new players into the real community, which is why it is gone, but it meant that people had a one or two million SP and understood the basics of SP. If they made mistakes, they were given a respec.
There needs to be something like that for new players. Let them spend there 500,000 SP and when they get to like 2,000,000 ( so between 5-10 weeks), respec all their SP and say "things are serious now." I think after a month of playing, people would get the idea of a game. |
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Izlare Lenix
FREE AGENTS LP
193
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Posted - 2014.03.09 20:47:00 -
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The San are a bunch of kd padding proto whores. They proto stomp ambush all day everyday since it requires little skill and no tactics. All new players should be aware of this and stay away from ambush. The San are a cancer among dust and we must starve then out of easy noob kills. Say no to ambush, say no to The San.
Gun control is not about guns...it's about control.
The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
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Jaysyn Larrisen
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
792
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Posted - 2014.03.09 20:54:00 -
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Joseph Ridgeson wrote:Coming from EVE helps a whole lot. EVE players are used to the idea of "you have these many SP; use them wisely." There are many a new players that immediately put all their points into getting advanced something that they don't have Electronic, Engineering, Dropsuit Shield/Armor Upgrades. I remember hearing a story of one new player that put all their points into Turrets because they believed tanks spawned on the map like they do in the Battlefield series. Jeez, say you make a mistake in EVE and train something that you will never, ever use. Say that you intend only to ever be a Ratter and never venture into fighting players. Training Warp Disruption is useless but for how long are you training it before you realize your mistake? In DUST, a few overzealous clicks can burn away weeks and weeks of time immediately.
The problem is that the "be sure to check the forums for more information" works on a computer MMO. They know that you are on the internet at a PC and can follow the hyperlinks to the numerous "Just starting? Read this first" pages. On a console game, you can't just hyperlink and funnel new players to the forums.
I would say that the New Player Experience is the absolute worst for players that are unfamiliar with EVE. They don't understand fittings or the concepts that are shared between the two games. I believe it used to be better. The Academy used to be like 100k War Points but was changed to like 1,000. So if you have someone that is familiar with FPS and they just kill 20 people over a couple games, they are thrown from fighting Frontline suits to getting to see the joy that is Prototype weaponry. After graduating the academy, you were given a full respec so you can try and test things that you may like. Depending on how well the person does overall each match or how much they play, the Academy could last several weeks. This meant that it slowed down the integration of new players into the real community, which is why it is gone, but it meant that people had a one or two million SP and understood the basics of SP. If they made mistakes, they were given a respec.
There needs to be something like that for new players. Let them spend there 500,000 SP and when they get to like 2,000,000 ( so between 5-10 weeks), respec all their SP and say "things are serious now." I think after a month of playing, people would get the idea of a game.
Have the academy bump up to 1mil WP and you get a respec upon graduation and then you are thrown into "general population".
"Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero
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Joseph Ridgeson
WarRavens League of Infamy
691
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Posted - 2014.03.09 21:37:00 -
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Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:
Have the academy bump up to 1mil WP and you get a respec upon graduation and then you are thrown into "general population".
1 Million is waayyy too much. That's 1,000 games of getting 1,000 WP. The 1,500 or so it is now is just as off as 1 million. That keeps the small pool of players a bit too segregated. If you were to get 15,000 WP a day, that is is still 9 weeks. For people like me that play only casually and cap out about 80% of the time, it would even more insane. I have 24 million SP and am barely at 1 million WP. Do you really think a character that could do prototype with 3-5 different roles should still be playing in the Academy?
Someone who gets 4,000 a match would play 250 games. Say 10 games a day, that's a little more than 3 weeks, about 1.5 million SP. For the person that is just starting, can't get those high of WP, or isn't a 10 game a day person, the amount of time gets to be insane. Say they pull in 5,000 WP a day. Be it from 10 games of 500 or 5 games of 1,000 WP; the decent casual player to the dedicated newbie alike. That's more than half a year. It isn't a question of skill to have lots of WP overall, not really at least; just a question of dedication. |
Meeko Fent
Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State
1964
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Posted - 2014.03.09 21:40:00 -
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Corps likely will help, but its no substitute for a good tutorial and tiericide/tiered MMing.
Because you Wanted to be Something your Not.
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance
2596
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Posted - 2014.03.09 21:42:00 -
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Meeko Fent wrote:Corps likely will help, but its no substitute for a good tutorial and tiericide/tiered MMing.
corps are better than a good tutorial.
weRideNDie2getha since 2010
RND's recruitment official phrase
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Roy Ventus
Axis of Chaos
1293
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Posted - 2014.03.09 22:03:00 -
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If we're talking about a better academy, just give them access to both public battles and Academy battles while also changing their graduation requirements from WP to SP, preferably 1-3 million SP. That way if they want to graduate fast they can take part in public battles and actually gain SP more than what the academy gives each game while also gaining experience in a more competitive realm.
"There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all."
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Meeko Fent
Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State
1967
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Posted - 2014.03.09 22:04:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Meeko Fent wrote:Corps likely will help, but its no substitute for a good tutorial and tiericide/tiered MMing. corps are better than a good tutorial. Please explain?
Will corps let you know that your supposed to hack those letters? No. They'll laugh at you and kick you out.
Corps are specifically designed to get the good players in a bunches with the crappy players being left to solo.
"I'm recruiting to go and take over a planet and fight in PC (just a model, not a soul does this, PC is just farmvile now), so... New player who never learned how battles work besides shoot reds... or older player that knows that killing red things are less important then holding a letter... Well... I think I'll just choose option b..."
Because you Wanted to be Something your Not.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
10843
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Posted - 2014.03.09 22:15:00 -
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I'd hoped to squad with you and help you out a bit, but I had to do something else. Glad it turned out alright for you though!
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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Patrick57
5901
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Posted - 2014.03.09 22:15:00 -
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Glad you got into a good corp. :) |
Jaysyn Larrisen
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
793
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Posted - 2014.03.10 00:12:00 -
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Joseph Ridgeson wrote:Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:
Have the academy bump up to 1mil WP and you get a respec upon graduation and then you are thrown into "general population".
1 Million is waayyy too much. That's 1,000 games of getting 1,000 WP. The 1,500 or so it is now is just as off as 1 million. That keeps the small pool of players a bit too segregated. If you were to get 15,000 WP a day, that is is still 9 weeks. For people like me that play only casually and cap out about 80% of the time, it would even more insane. I have 24 million SP and am barely at 1 million WP. Do you really think a character that could do prototype with 3-5 different roles should still be playing in the Academy? Someone who gets 4,000 a match would play 250 games. Say 10 games a day, that's a little more than 3 weeks, about 1.5 million SP. For the person that is just starting, can't get those high of WP, or isn't a 10 game a day person, the amount of time gets to be insane. Say they pull in 5,000 WP a day. Be it from 10 games of 500 or 5 games of 1,000 WP; the decent casual player to the dedicated newbie alike. That's more than half a year. It isn't a question of skill to have lots of WP overall, not really at least; just a question of dedication.
Good point...In my head I was thinking 1mil SP not WP...SP doesn't take that long to accrue. Either way you're right; gotta hit the sweet spot with long enough they've figured out some basics and not long enough where they don't get bored in the academy.
"Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
7291
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Posted - 2014.03.10 00:20:00 -
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Hilarious that we somehow now call them "the San".
Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer
Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
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Vell0cet
SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance
1054
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Posted - 2014.03.10 02:55:00 -
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As far as the NPE goes, I'd like to see a 2-tierd academy. The first would be as it is now and would be eventually replaced by a fully interactive story-based gameplay tutorial to teach the nuances of DUST combat mechanics. The second tier would be an additional game mode (checked by default) limited to players under some SP threshold (like 3-5 mill SP). The cap should be low enough that people won't be getting stomped, but high enough that you can be reasonably competitive once you're over the limit. You should still be able to participate in all game modes though after graduating the first tier academy if you want.
The reason for 2 tiers is so players literally playing their first match aren't paired up with players with 4.9mill SP about to graduate. Their first match will be against other people figuring out the controls, etc. the 2nd tier is a "safe harbor" to build up a competitive fit before being thrown to the sharks.
Best PvE idea ever!
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Aisha Ctarl
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
3868
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Posted - 2014.03.10 03:39:00 -
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I have this funny feeling, call it a sixth sense if you will, that you are not new.
I could list the ways how we Amarr are better than you, but your lesser mind wouldn't comprehend it.
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LEHON Xeon
Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance
309
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Posted - 2014.03.10 04:26:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Meeko Fent wrote:Corps likely will help, but its no substitute for a good tutorial and tiericide/tiered MMing. corps are better than a good tutorial.
Yep, learned that one the hard way as I never joined one from the time I started until over half a year in. Some of the best advice there is.
It's a trap! In this patch we can't repel firepower of that magnitude! - Admiral Ackbar would say in ambush w Nyain San
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Patrick57
5926
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Posted - 2014.03.10 05:20:00 -
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Aisha Ctarl wrote:I have this funny feeling, call it a sixth sense if you will, that you are not new. http://dustboard.com/global/merc/Commander_Snow-Strike
I think I'm a forum warrior level 5 :D
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Charlotte O'Dell
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
2055
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Posted - 2014.03.10 05:24:00 -
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dont worry. nyain san is probs just recovering their kdrs from getting stomped out of pc.
Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
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PLAYSTTION
GamersForChrist
66
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Posted - 2014.03.10 15:21:00 -
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Commander Snow-Strike wrote:I used to be an ex Eve player so I made it my priority to find a corporation of like minded mercenaries and that was to serve the Federation. I squaded up with a mercenary who was showing me the basic of Dust 514 by skilling into my core skills and I got armor to level 4 and then he proceeded to give me 12 million ISK. Then Arkena also gave me ISK as we'll. I started running ambush matches and had a fair amount of enjoyment until I played against this group that used the top tier gear. I forgot their name but all I could remember is that San was in their corporation name. Once I finished playing ambush matches I was left with 18 million ISK. So far my new player experience wasn't awful. CCP should emphasize on joining a corporation. Nyain san and chan
-Open Beta Vet-14.5 mil sp-
Laser+Flaylock
Dust 514 recruitment link here
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Vrain Matari
Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic
1760
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Posted - 2014.03.10 15:30:00 -
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Aisha Ctarl wrote:I have this funny feeling, call it a sixth sense if you will, that you are not new.
My Matari Shamanistic instincts are telling me the same thing. When the Amarr and Minmatar agree....
I support SP rollover.
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Aisha Ctarl
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
3870
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Posted - 2014.03.10 16:12:00 -
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Vrain Matari wrote:Aisha Ctarl wrote:I have this funny feeling, call it a sixth sense if you will, that you are not new. My Matari Shamanistic instincts are telling me the same thing. When the Amarr and Minmatar agree....
S*** just got real
I could list the ways how we Amarr are better than you, but your lesser mind wouldn't comprehend it.
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