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Lorhak Gannarsein
Science For Death
2005
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Posted - 2014.03.09 08:44:00 -
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I've never really used then until now, and in their current incarnation they're super fun.
Sneaking up on something and gibbing it is hilarious. I'm considering 2x dam 1x nitro for maximum gank; should be fun, if, perhaps, less effective.
But I keep running into hardened shield tanks, and there is literally nothing I can do about them except wait. With a damage mod I can just kill a hardened Maddy, but shields are unkillable.
I was wondering why exactly this was, and I started testing my damage against turrets and other installations.
It turns out that Large Missile Turrets, like Large Railgun Turrets, have the wrong damage profile.
Rail guns still deal blaster type damage for no good reason, but missiles still have the old explosive damage profile of 135/70.
Fixing this would, I think, increase dramatically the utility of missile tanks. (On the flip side, it'd be very hard to kill armour tanks in one volley, so I'm not sure what to think).
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Alena Ventrallis
The Neutral Zone
818
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Posted - 2014.03.09 08:48:00 -
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Suppose we increase the magazine capacity to 24? And you can kill hardened shield tanks simply with overwhelming amount of missiles?
Best PVE idea I've seen.
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Vulpes Dolosus
SVER True Blood
General Tso's Alliance
982
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Posted - 2014.03.09 08:50:00 -
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EM missiles.
Same to shields as current one are to armor, but completely walled by armor.
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G Torq
ALTA B2O
466
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Posted - 2014.03.09 08:52:00 -
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Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:I've never really used then until now, and in their current incarnation they're super fun.
[...] I'm considering 2x dam 1x nitro for maximum gank; should be fun, if, perhaps, less effective.
But I keep running into hardened shield tanks, and there is literally nothing I can do about them except wait. With a damage mod I can just kill a hardened Maddy, but shields are unkillable.
I think this will come in handy for you: http://dust.thang.dk/Stats.ShieldRegen.Threshold.php
As you'll note a dual-shield-hardened tank can basically heal through your missile barrage, unless you have either:
2x Damage Mod
[*] Proto Missiles and 1x Damage Mod
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Lorhak Gannarsein
Science For Death
2005
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Posted - 2014.03.09 09:08:00 -
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G Torq wrote:Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:I've never really used then until now, and in their current incarnation they're super fun.
[...] I'm considering 2x dam 1x nitro for maximum gank; should be fun, if, perhaps, less effective.
But I keep running into hardened shield tanks, and there is literally nothing I can do about them except wait. With a damage mod I can just kill a hardened Maddy, but shields are unkillable. I think this will come in handy for you: http://dust.thang.dk/Stats.ShieldRegen.Threshold.phpAs you'll note a dual-shield-hardened tank can basically heal through your missile barrage, unless you have either: 2x Damage Mod
Proto Missiles and 1x Damage Mod
Yeah, I've resorted to dealing with those by popping nitrous and outmanoeuvring them.
Thanks for the link tho :)
The extra mod is mainly to give myself some slack when aiming; one miss is incredibly punishing thanks to the implausibly long reloads.
Like I said, I don't think that fixing the profiles will allow me to gib dual hardened shields, but it'll help in general versatility.
And also give armour tankers less reason to QQ when they get insta'd.
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Lorhak Gannarsein
Science For Death
2005
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Posted - 2014.03.09 09:12:00 -
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Alena Ventrallis wrote:Suppose we increase the magazine capacity to 24? And you can kill hardened shield tanks simply with overwhelming amount of missiles?
I'd probably need to hit them with my entire capacity to kill them. Double hardeners are a bit OP; I've been saying this since near the beginning. I would prefer a slightly shorter reload time, too. As it is if I pop a damage mod I'm likely to get off only one effective volley, which is not enough to kill.
I imagine that missile Gunnlogis are the shotgun scouts of tanking, with all that that implies.
Vulpes Dolosus wrote:EM missiles.
Same to shields as current one are to armor, but completely walled by armor.
I would want to be able to change types mid battle; as it is there is literally no reason to use missiles over a rail or blasters except entertainment.
That said, though, I do like this idea.
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Lorhak Gannarsein
Science For Death
2016
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Posted - 2014.03.11 07:53:00 -
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BUMP because bugged missiles.
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
673
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Posted - 2014.03.11 08:09:00 -
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Missiles to kill Armor...
Railguns to kill Shield...
Aside from the fact you're using HANDHELD gun mechanics to evaluate turret mechanics, it seems that this is quite logical..
Energy blasts overloading shields, while high explosives tear apart armor.
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Supernus Gigas
Star Giants
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Posted - 2014.03.11 08:39:00 -
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:Missiles to kill Armor...
Railguns to kill Shield...
Aside from the fact you're using HANDHELD gun mechanics to evaluate turret mechanics, it seems that this is quite logical..
Energy blasts overloading shields, while high explosives tear apart armor.
Railguns for shields? What? No lol. Blasters are the turrets that wreck shield tanks. Plus aren't Rails more effective against armor than shields?
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