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Arx Ardashir wrote:

Jack McReady wrote:

D legendary hero wrote:

1. minmatar suits have some of the worst stats and slot layouts in the game

slot layout is not the problem I actually like. the problem is all minmatar suits give up ~15% EHP after full fit for ~7% more speed. first, speed tanking does not work quite well in an FPS and second take a gallente suit, fit a kincat and they are as mobile as the minmatar suit while still having more EHP. this obviously isnt a fair tradeoff, the base stats need to be brought in line with the rest of the suits.

Does this mean you also support a reduction between the speed loss the Amarr have, when they gain only a paltry 30hp at medium frame level? (Don't forget they were down a slot as well!)

Anyways, the MD will be useful again, as it will be only 1 of two explosive weapons (the other being the Flaylock) that will do direct damage and thus not be affected by the Sentinel's upcoming splash reduction. MDs will be very useful for killing armor tanked Sents.

Also, the CR wasn't only good at CQC, unless I happen to have some affinity with it that I exhibit with absolutely no other weapon. It was also a burst fire weapon that could easily be turned full auto with proper timing. It's only losing 1.5% more DPS than the rail rifle, and as other people who've done the math have shown, it's still gonna be better than AR, which is supposed to be the best at CQC.

Don't forget that the Minmatar preferred weapon profile, Projectile (-5%/+10%) is the best in the game. It loses only 5% dmaage to shields but against twice that against armor. That is important when figuring a weapon's DPS and range.

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D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1802	Posted - 2014.03.09 07:04:00 - [1] - Quote So far DSUT has proved that CCP hates minmatar, more precisely that the community hates minmatar. Observe: 1. minmatar suits have some of the worst stats and slot layouts in the game 2. every minmatar weapon in the game has been nerfed 3. new minmatar weapons get nerfed the hardest (combat Rifle getting 15% damage nerf, even though only good at cqc) 4. RE's are most likely the next target. The entire minmatar race is being nerfed as a whole. What can be done? Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8031	Posted - 2014.03.09 07:06:00 - [2] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: So far DSUT has proved that CCP hates minmatar, more precisely that the community hates minmatar. Observe: 1. minmatar suits have some of the worst stats and slot layouts in the game 2. every minmatar weapon in the game has been nerfed 3. new minmatar weapons get nerfed the hardest (combat Rifle getting 15% damage nerf, even though only good at cqc) 4. RE's are most likely the next target. The entire minmatar race is being nerfed as a whole. What can be done? I already Crusade against Minmatar! 24th Crusade! "War is not hell, far from it. War is beautiful. War is divine." - Grand Admiral Mekioth Sarum
LT Shanx OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 25	Posted - 2014.03.09 07:08:00 - [3] - Quote I feel like being Amarr now...
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 7255	Posted - 2014.03.09 07:08:00 - [4] - Quote Gallente weapons come pre nerfed. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. DUST514514
LT Shanx OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 26	Posted - 2014.03.09 07:10:00 - [5] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Gallente weapons come pre nerfed. At least your suits don't suck.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 4946	Posted - 2014.03.09 07:32:00 - [6] - Quote LT Shanx wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Gallente weapons come pre nerfed. At least your suits don't suck. But we get the best bonuses. Except the sentinel he's boned. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 4 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Foundation Seldon Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 503	Posted - 2014.03.09 07:40:00 - [7] - Quote Number 4 is baseless speculation, the Mass Driver is being buffed, the HMG is going unchanged in an arena where every other rifle in the game was nerfed, and the Minmatar Logi will arguably be the most useful and in-demand Logi suit in the game with the incoming Heavy hoard. Saga v. Methana Balance
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 7256	Posted - 2014.03.09 07:45:00 - [8] - Quote LT Shanx wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Gallente weapons come pre nerfed. At least your suits don't suck. The Assault bonus is laughable Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. DUST514514
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5003	Posted - 2014.03.09 07:45:00 - [9] - Quote LT Shanx wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Gallente weapons come pre nerfed. At least your suits don't suck. Perfect suicide fitting. Armor tanked Minmitar Assault with a Plasma Rifle. Watch as your irrelevance on the battlefield becomes more apparent! *1st Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole* -Title Awarded by True Adamance
COVERT SUBTERFUGE PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 567	Posted - 2014.03.09 07:58:00 - [10] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: LT Shanx wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Gallente weapons come pre nerfed. At least your suits don't suck. But we get the best bonuses. Except the sentinel he's boned. This is how I feel. The Minmatar have fun bonuses, especially the upcoming scout and commando. Proud Minmatar scout - Republic Merc 6/10 Immune to bitter/jaded vet syndrome Roll with the punches instead of QQing

Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7298	Posted - 2014.03.09 09:16:00 - [11] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: 4. RE's are most likely the next target. Well, anyone who relies on detonating them while they are dead/wounded on the floor should worry; they are not safe. CPM1 Candidacy Thread
Hecarim Van Hohen Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 563	Posted - 2014.03.09 09:55:00 - [12] - Quote Foundation Seldon wrote: Number 4 is baseless speculation, the Mass Driver is being buffed, the HMG is going unchanged in an arena where every other rifle in the game was nerfed, and the Minmatar Logi will arguably be the most useful and in-demand Logi suit in the game with the incoming Heavy hoard. That Caldari logistics looks mighty fine to me with that nanohive repair and resupply bonus not forgetting the bonus to max. nanite count of hives BANGO SKANK WAS HERE 1.7 best match (HMG): 40/9/9 (K/A/D)
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1806	Posted - 2014.03.10 15:19:00 - [13] - Quote Foundation Seldon wrote: Number 4 is baseless speculation, the Mass Driver is being buffed, the HMG is going unchanged in an arena where every other rifle in the game was nerfed, and the Minmatar Logi will arguably be the most useful and in-demand Logi suit in the game with the incoming Heavy hoard. MD is worthless. which is why no one uses it. Speculation is saying the HMG is going to be unchanged... nonethless, with the nerf of the damage mods comes the automatic nerfing of the HMG, which so many heavies depended on. *minmatar logi will only work on galente heavy Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 3161	Posted - 2014.03.10 15:41:00 - [14] - Quote The Matari people are used to being the underdogs. It just makes victory that much sweeter. When I die to a prototype Caldari that still has over 500 armor left I just think "scrub." At least the Amarr know how to rely on one defensive system. Adapt or Die // Republic Lance Commander // @ReesNoturana
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1152	Posted - 2014.03.10 15:54:00 - [15] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: 1. minmatar suits have some of the worst stats and slot layouts in the game slot layout is not the problem I actually like. the problem is all minmatar suits give up ~15% EHP after full fit for ~7% more speed. first, speed tanking does not work quite well in an FPS and second take a gallente suit, fit a kincat and they are as mobile as the minmatar suit while still having more EHP. this obviously isnt a fair tradeoff, the base stats need to be brought in line with the rest of the suits.
Vordred Knight Endless Hatred Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 26	Posted - 2014.03.10 16:07:00 - [16] - Quote I just want ccp to actually give racial bonuses that really matter like giving gallente a bonus to armor regeneration and caldari shield tanking etc. HE'S GONNA GET YA AHAHAHAHAHA!!! For FREEDOM!!!!!!
Arx Ardashir Imperium Aeternum 662	Posted - 2014.03.10 16:07:00 - [17] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: D legendary hero wrote: 1. minmatar suits have some of the worst stats and slot layouts in the game slot layout is not the problem I actually like. the problem is all minmatar suits give up ~15% EHP after full fit for ~7% more speed. first, speed tanking does not work quite well in an FPS and second take a gallente suit, fit a kincat and they are as mobile as the minmatar suit while still having more EHP. this obviously isnt a fair tradeoff, the base stats need to be brought in line with the rest of the suits. Does this mean you also support a reduction between the speed loss the Amarr have, when they gain only a paltry 30hp at medium frame level? (Don't forget they were down a slot as well!) Anyways, the MD will be useful again, as it will be only 1 of two explosive weapons (the other being the Flaylock) that will do direct damage and thus not be affected by the Sentinel's upcoming splash reduction. MDs will be very useful for killing armor tanked Sents. Also, the CR wasn't only good at CQC, unless I happen to have some affinity with it that I exhibit with absolutely no other weapon. It was also a burst fire weapon that could easily be turned full auto with proper timing. It's only losing 1.5% more DPS than the rail rifle, and as other people who've done the math have shown, it's still gonna be better than AR, which is supposed to be the best at CQC. Don't forget that the Minmatar preferred weapon profile, Projectile (-5%/+10%) is the best in the game. It loses only 5% dmaage to shields but against twice that against armor. That is important when figuring a weapon's DPS and range. Now is the winter of our non-content. Ghosts Chance's hero for 3/1/14. A manu dei et tet rimon.
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2622	Posted - 2014.03.10 16:17:00 - [18] - Quote Minmatar get weapons that are so good, they are still better then most others after nerf "OHMYGODWHYYOUHATEMINMATARSOMUCH" -Rust people from the duct tape galaxy I'm sorry man, but the flaylock was to strong(thought it got nerfed way to hard) and the CR didn't get nerfed hard enough IMO, it's still better then the AR. And the MD is getting a buff and the Minmatar Assault/Scout are getting great bonuses. The Minmatar suits are honestly only bad because of bullet magnatism and AA, before 1.4 the Minny suits would kick ass. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1152	Posted - 2014.03.10 16:34:00 - [19] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: it's still better then the AR. every weapon other light weapon is better than the AR
Aisha Ctarl Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3871	Posted - 2014.03.10 16:40:00 - [20] - Quote If anything I'd say the community hates the Amarr the most. From b******* about the Scrambler Rifle to complaining about our suits, no one likes we Amarr. I could list the ways how we Amarr are better than you, but your lesser mind wouldn't comprehend it.

Ripley Riley 964	Posted - 2014.03.10 16:42:00 - [21] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: 1. Minmatar suits have some of the worst stats and slot layouts in the game How do you figure? Isn't the Minmatar assault the only PRO assault to have five high slots? They have the second best stamina regen and max stamina as well as the best movement speed, sprint speed, and strafe speed. This makes them very agile and hard as ** to keep a bead on in CQC. D legendary hero wrote: 2. every minmatar weapon in the game has been nerfed Okay the flaylock is was hit really hard. The combat rifle needed a nerf, sorry, it happens to some weapons if they are overperforming. D legendary hero wrote: 3. new minmatar weapons get nerfed the hardest (combat Rifle getting 15% damage nerf, even though only good at cqc) Because it desperately needed it. That thing is insane... D legendary hero wrote:** 4. RE's are most likely the next target. Dev source? "I need not food nor water. Your tears alone sustain me." - Ripley Riley
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1812	Posted - 2014.03.11 17:06:00 - [22] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: D legendary hero wrote: 1. Minmatar suits have some of the worst stats and slot layouts in the game How do you figure? Isn't the Minmatar assault the only PRO assault to have five high slots? They have the second best stamina regen and max stamina as well as the best movement speed, sprint speed, and strafe speed. This makes them very agile and hard as ** to keep a bead on in CQC. D legendary hero wrote: 2. every minmatar weapon in the game has been nerfed Okay the flaylock is was hit really hard. The combat rifle needed a nerf, sorry, it happens to some weapons if they are overperforming. D legendary hero wrote: 3. new minmatar weapons get nerfed the hardest (combat Rifle getting 15% damage nerf, even though only good at cqc) Because it desperately needed it. That thing is insane... D legendary hero wrote:** 4. RE's are most likely the next target. Dev source? Minmatar pro suits also, have only 2 low slots. Speed means nothing because TTK is too damn high. and AA with decent aim yourself mitigates the entire speed advantage. plus inorder to have any survivability mini's need plates, which slows them down. making them easier to hit. Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1812	Posted - 2014.03.11 17:08:00 - [23] - Quote Vordred Knight wrote: I just want ccp to actually give racial bonuses that really matter like giving gallente a bonus to armor regeneration and caldari shield tanking etc. and shield recharge and depletetion shortening to minmatar Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1812	Posted - 2014.03.11 17:11:00 - [24] - Quote Arx Ardashir wrote: Jack McReady wrote: D legendary hero wrote: 1. minmatar suits have some of the worst stats and slot layouts in the game slot layout is not the problem I actually like. the problem is all minmatar suits give up ~15% EHP after full fit for ~7% more speed. first, speed tanking does not work quite well in an FPS and second take a gallente suit, fit a kincat and they are as mobile as the minmatar suit while still having more EHP. this obviously isnt a fair tradeoff, the base stats need to be brought in line with the rest of the suits. Does this mean you also support a reduction between the speed loss the Amarr have, when they gain only a paltry 30hp at medium frame level? (Don't forget they were down a slot as well!) Anyways, the MD will be useful again, as it will be only 1 of two explosive weapons (the other being the Flaylock) that will do direct damage and thus not be affected by the Sentinel's upcoming splash reduction. MDs will be very useful for killing armor tanked Sents. Also, the CR wasn't only good at CQC, unless I happen to have some affinity with it that I exhibit with absolutely no other weapon. It was also a burst fire weapon that could easily be turned full auto with proper timing. It's only losing 1.5% more DPS than the rail rifle, and as other people who've done the math have shown, it's still gonna be better than AR, which is supposed to be the best at CQC. Don't forget that the Minmatar preferred weapon profile, Projectile (-5%/+10%) is the best in the game. It loses only 5% dmaage to shields but against twice that against armor. That is important when figuring a weapon's DPS and range. projectiles have the most fall off of any weapon type in the game. look at HMGs for example. so they need the -5%/+10% because they start doing no damage at closer ranges. AR has less dps but actually further range than the CR. Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1812	Posted - 2014.03.11 17:14:00 - [25] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Minmatar get weapons that are so good, they are still better then most others after nerf flaylock is good...? Quote: "OHMYGODWHYYOUHATEMINMATARSOMUCHCCP?" -Rust people from the duct tape galaxy I'm sorry man, but the flaylock was too strong(thought it got nerfed way too hard) and the CR didn't get nerfed hard enough IMO, it's still better then the AR. AR still has more range than CR. and dnt forget CR is burst and AR is full auto Quote: And the MD is getting a buff and the Minmatar Assault/Scout are getting great bonuses. The Minmatar suits are honestly only bad because of bullet magnatism and AA, before 1.4 the Minny suits would kick ass. Edit:just so you guys know, I'm just joking around. I love my Matari bros. [/quote] Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
Delta90212 Dust2Dust. Top Men. 346	Posted - 2014.03.11 17:18:00 - [26] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: Minmatar pro suits also, have only 2 low slots. Speed means nothing because TTK is too damn low. and AA with decent aim yourself mitigates the entire speed advantage. plus inorder to have any survivability mini's need plates, which slows them down. making them easier to hit. fixed it for ya Fear The Tribes // In Rust We Trust // Standings Minmatar 6 // Minmatar Logibro //
Crimson Cerberes Hammer Of Light Vanguard of the Phoenix 430	Posted - 2014.03.11 17:43:00 - [27] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: So far DUST has proved that CCP hates minmatar, more precisely that the community hates minmatar. Observe: 1. minmatar suits have some of the worst stats and slot layouts in the game 2. every minmatar weapon in the game has been nerfed 3. new minmatar weapons get nerfed the hardest (combat Rifle getting 15% damage nerf, even though only good at cqc) 4. RE's are most likely the next target. The entire minmatar race is being nerfed as a whole. What can be done? Uhh... amarr have BY FAR the worst slot layout, including -1 slot on some suits. Every minmatar weapon has been insanely OP, the CR will still be OP after 1.8, and the Mass Driver might become OP too. The Combat rifle will still do 540 DPS versus the sub 400 for the AR, after the nerf that is. Meaning it is still at least 25% more powerful than the shortest range rifle (i.e. still op) No one is talking baout nerfing REs. Please, minmatar are just fine, and most of thier weaponry has been or will be OP (MD, flaylock, grenades, combat rifle)
Crimson Cerberes Hammer Of Light Vanguard of the Phoenix 430	Posted - 2014.03.11 17:45:00 - [28] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Minmatar get weapons that are so good, they are still better then most others after nerf flaylock is good...? Quote: "OHMYGODWHYYOUHATEMINMATARSOMUCHCCP?" -Rust people from the duct tape galaxy I'm sorry man, but the flaylock was too strong(thought it got nerfed way too hard) and the CR didn't get nerfed hard enough IMO, it's still better then the AR. AR still has more range than CR. and dnt forget CR is burst and AR is full auto Quote: And the MD is getting a buff and the Minmatar Assault/Scout are getting great bonuses. The Minmatar suits are honestly only bad because of bullet magnatism and AA, before 1.4 the Minny suits would kick ass. Edit:just so you guys know, I'm just joking around. I love my Matari bros. [/quote] Just further proof that you are ********. The AR has LESS RANGE than the CR, it has always had more range than the AR, it will continue to have more range than the AR. Oh and it does more damage than the TAC AR and the ScR per trigger pull. There is a reason why you see nothing but CRs in PC.
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 966	Posted - 2014.03.11 17:52:00 - [29] - Quote Amarr have better HP/CPU/PG/STAMINA/STAMINA REGEN/SHIELD REGEN At the cost of being 'slower' Matari have crappy HP/CPU/PG/STAMINA/STAMINA REGEN/SHIELD REGEN At the cost of being 'faster' The suit balance is really awful, Matari need a buff to stamina/regen of shields/stamina Without this we can't fill the 'hit and run' role we are supposed to.... Amarr moan of their speed being lower but due to high stamina They can cover equal distance in the same time as Matari Damn you CCP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 'D1CK by name' 'D1CK by nature'
Ripley Riley 964	Posted - 2014.03.11 17:56:00 - [30] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: Minmatar pro suits also, have only 2 low slots. Minmatar shield tank... they don't need 3+ low slots. They need enough to fit profile damps, kincats, or cardiac regs. D legendary hero wrote: Speed means nothing because TTK is too damn high. TTK has nothing to do with closing the distance between you and a redberry or staying in the blindspot of a heavy... Speed has hundreds of uses besides migating damage too like being the first to start hacking an objective. D legendary hero wrote: and AA with decent aim yourself mitigates the entire speed advantage. Speed allows you to flank. Flanking completely negates AA. Additionally, speed allows you to disengage and reengage on your own terms. D legendary hero wrote: plus in order to have any survivability mini's need plates, which slows them down. Making them easier to hit. If you feel like you MUST fit plates (which you don't, but I'm humoring you) then fit plates that don't provide a speed penalty. I think Minmatar are in need of some balancing, just like every other dropsuit in the game in some shape form or fashion, but there isn't a crusade against them. In fact, if you play to their strengths then they are very good at what they do. "I need not food nor water. Your tears alone sustain me." - Ripley Riley



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