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kiarbanor S.e.V.e.N. General Tso's Alliance 339	Posted - 2014.03.08 05:47:00 - [1] - Quote Can you sprint and strafe at the same time? Also, can you shoot while sprinting? I hear all sorts of talk, but I want to see how accurate it is. Thanks, and Happy Gaming!!!
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 1513	Posted - 2014.03.08 05:57:00 - [2] - Quote No and no. It's the exact same as controller. You can sprint diagonally forward left and right, but not straight left to right. You can't shoot while strafing at all.
kiarbanor S.e.V.e.N. General Tso's Alliance 339	Posted - 2014.03.08 06:04:00 - [3] - Quote Joel II X wrote: No and no. It's the exact same as controller. You can sprint diagonally forward left and right, but not straight left to right. You can't shoot while strafing at all. Thanks!
Patrick57 5831	Posted - 2014.03.08 06:07:00 - [4] - Quote The strafe is a LOT better than DS3.
LAVALLOIS Nash QcGOLD 23	Posted - 2014.03.08 06:09:00 - [5] - Quote Joel II X wrote: No and no. It's the exact same as controller. You can sprint diagonally forward left and right, but not straight left to right. You can't shoot while strafing at all. ^prettymuch this. Strafe jumps are possible though under certain circumstances. We just cant do chains of strafe jumps due to the stamina cost of jumping. As for accurate, its incredibly so. It is literally as good as your aim is. When I miss, its not cause my PS3 controller behaved oddly or that the aim assist malfunctioned. When I miss with KB/M, its because i messed up and im not shooting properly. It shines most in Rail tank vs Rail tank, especially when the enemy tank is in its redline. Everything is more precise, so if the enemy tank is hiding and peeking in his mountains, I can hit him if he shows so much as a pixel. Sniping too, its alot easier to use when long distances are involved. My longest SR kill was at 543M.
Vitharr Foebane Living Like Larry Schwag 730	Posted - 2014.03.08 06:18:00 - [6] - Quote LAVALLOIS Nash wrote: Joel II X wrote: No and no. It's the exact same as controller. You can sprint diagonally forward left and right, but not straight left to right. You can't shoot while strafing at all. ^prettymuch this. Strafe jumps are possible though under certain circumstances. We just cant do chains of strafe jumps due to the stamina cost of jumping. As for accurate, its incredibly so. It is literally as good as your aim is. When I miss, its not cause my PS3 controller behaved oddly or that the aim assist malfunctioned. When I miss with KB/M, its because i messed up and im not shooting properly. It shines most in Rail tank vs Rail tank, especially when the enemy tank is in its redline. Everything is more precise, so if the enemy tank is hiding and peeking in his mountains, I can hit him if he shows so much as a pixel. Sniping too, its alot easier to use when long distances are involved. My longest SR kill was at 543M. kb/m is also great for precision forging Thanks CCP for making the HMG Heavy viable again :3 That's no excuse to slack off on releasing a heavy laser though =.=
Martyr Saboteur Amarrtyrs 205	Posted - 2014.03.08 06:31:00 - [7] - Quote DS3 is better for precise character movement, vehicle control, moduke activation, and diagonal movement. KB/M is better for strafing and precise aiming. Overall, KB/M is a far better choice for the type of shooter that DUST is. Totally not Fizzer94's forum alt. Definitely just a random dude.
Admonishment The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo 138	Posted - 2014.03.08 06:36:00 - [8] - Quote The game wont allow you to sprint/shoot together no matter what you use. It is extremely useful for range precision though. If you are referring to side strafing and sprinting it cant be done but you can serpentine/strafe to get better angles. If you just go side to side with a controller its slow but if you move in a small circle you strafe faster. Level 5 proficiency in throat punching
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3176	Posted - 2014.03.08 07:03:00 - [9] - Quote Martyr Saboteur wrote: DS3 is better for precise character movement, vehicle control, moduke activation, and diagonal movement. KB/M is better for strafing and precise aiming. Overall, KB/M is a far better choice for the type of shooter that DUST is. There is a delay implemented between shifting opposing directions while attempting to strafe. This creates an artificial deadzone for the keyboard, which also prevents an unfair advantage in strafe engagements. People like to conveniently ignore it because its more fun to rant about how OP kb/m is, even though its a horrible horrible control scheme on Dust if you're doing anything other than forging/sniping.
Zyrus Amalomyn Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 295	Posted - 2014.03.08 09:07:00 - [10] - Quote It's only horrible because CCP refuses to remove the stick emulator.

Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1583	Posted - 2014.03.08 09:17:00 - [11] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: The strafe is a LOT better than DS3. I call BS. Drop it like its hat.
kiarbanor S.e.V.e.N. General Tso's Alliance 340	Posted - 2014.03.10 00:54:00 - [12] - Quote Thanks for all the info. All I know is that some people strafe in a way that seems impossible. I tried replicating it with my Scout gk.0, with complex cardiac and kinetics, and I can't do it. Thoughts on how this is accomplished?
Iskandar Zul Karnain Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 2602	Posted - 2014.03.10 01:12:00 - [13] - Quote The best players and best strafers I've seen in this game all use DS3. Hellstorm Inc., Executive Director Amarr Victor
jordy mack Ultramarine Corp 212	Posted - 2014.03.10 01:22:00 - [14] - Quote kiarbanor wrote: Thanks for all the info. All I know is that some people strafe in a way that seems impossible. I tried replicating it with my Scout gk.0, with complex cardiac and kinetics, and I can't do it. Thoughts on how this is accomplished? its not accomplished with cardiac potions thats for sure. once u get ur sprint speed over 10m/s u should be able to matrix strafe SOME gunfire but now u have no hp coz of ur kincats fitting cost. its more bout the timing of the strafe, u have to strafe, stop for half a sec,strafe back, stop for half a sec. reminds me of the trying to fire a large railgun turret fast. i suck at that too. goodluck. p.s m+kb doesnt really help, infact most ppl would say its alot harder to use in alot of situations. Less QQ more PewPew
SgtDoughnut Red Star Jr. EoN. 447	Posted - 2014.03.10 02:13:00 - [15] - Quote Due to the way the mouse simulates a thumbstick the advantages of M/KB are lost unless you are performing precise long range shots. When you try to make any sort of fast movement the software in dust tries to relate the speed of your mouse movement to a location on the ds3/ds4 thumbstick. This leads to changes in x distance with the mouse giving you x distance on the screen, most PC players are used to a 1:1 ratio, and I have seen dust go from 1:.25 all the way to 1:3 ratio, it is very hard to adjust to in combat.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3050	Posted - 2014.03.10 02:16:00 - [16] - Quote I go 73-0 every time I use m/kb, it makes me feels bad. I once killed 47 tanks while using m/kb using militia swarms and a toxin SMG ML Director Eve Toon - Raylan Scott Level 3 Forum Warrior
Altina McAlterson Pure Innocence. EoN. 911	Posted - 2014.03.10 02:29:00 - [17] - Quote The only time KB/M has a clear advantage is when forging or sniping. Honestly the thing with strafing is that while it might be slightly better with KB/M the actual advantage is nonexistent. Although I admit if two equally skilled players, one using a KB/M and the other a DS3 obviously, with comparable aim that both have the same suit, same fit, same SP and skills trained, the same weapon, both are at full armor and shields and they meet 1 v 1 in the middle of a perfectly flat field with no cover, obstacles or variations in topography then there would be a distinct possibility that the KB/M might have the advantage. But otherwise they are essentially equal with the strengths and weaknesses balancing each other out. And honestly with the way the game is currently I would feel confident saying that the DS3 is actually superior to KB/M overall. I use KB/M because I'm not good with controllers. Never have been and never will be. If there was no KB/M in this game I wouldn't even bother playing it and I have heard of many more people moving from KB/M to DS3 than I have the other way around. Running a blaster tank in ambush is like bringing Anthrax to a pillow fight.
Zyrus Amalomyn Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 298	Posted - 2014.03.10 09:58:00 - [18] - Quote Altina McAlterson wrote: I have heard of many more people moving from KB/M to DS3 than I have the other way around. Because KB/M in this game is a joke and has been since Uprising.
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 2010	Posted - 2014.03.10 10:14:00 - [19] - Quote Martyr Saboteur wrote: DS3 is better for precise character movement, vehicle control, moduke activation, and diagonal movement. KB/M is better for strafing and precise aiming. Overall, KB/M is a far better choice for the type of shooter that DUST is. Um, don't know about the rest of those, but DS3 has never been able to match the HAV control afforded by the keyboard. KB and DS3 has always been the way I tanked, ever since CCP ruined module selection. Up until 1.7 KB actually allowed you to accelerate more efficiently than DS3, and so reach a higher top speed. Nowadays it just affords more precision at the points on the joystick where you're on the cusp of changing direction. Assault ak.0 w/ScR+ScP 4LYFE Forum Warrior Level Two. (GëºGêçGëª)/
kiarbanor S.e.V.e.N. General Tso's Alliance 341	Posted - 2014.03.10 11:34:00 - [20] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Martyr Saboteur wrote: DS3 is better for precise character movement, vehicle control, moduke activation, and diagonal movement. KB/M is better for strafing and precise aiming. Overall, KB/M is a far better choice for the type of shooter that DUST is. Um, don't know about the rest of those, but DS3 has never been able to match the HAV control afforded by the keyboard. KB and DS3 has always been the way I tanked, ever since CCP ruined module selection. Up until 1.7 KB actually allowed you to accelerate more efficiently than DS3, and so reach a higher top speed. Nowadays it just affords more precision at the points on the joystick where you're on the cusp of changing direction. A lot of times I'm driving an HAV, it will turn opposite of what I want. It starts off turning the right way and going forward, but then it switches to turning the wrong way and going in reverse. I know other people have this problem with the DS3, too. Again, thanks for the feedback, everyone. There has to be something some of these players know how to do in order to strafe the way they strafe, and it could possibly be the fact I really am that much worse than them.



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