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Bormir1r
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.08 05:43:00 -
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Before I go into why I'm staying as a minmatar scout, I need explain what the advantages or disadvantages are with the other 3 scout suits.
1. The Caldari Scout -
One of the only reasons why you would want this suit is because of it's scanning purposes and possible tanking capabilities. On the prototype you get 4 high slots, and 2 low. Shield tanking is going to be only option for true scouts, because you're going to need that speed, and when you only have 2 Complex kin cats on the second fastest/slowest scout in the game, you'll only be running at about a little more than 10 m/s (definitely less than 10.38 since that's what the minmatar runs at currently with two comp kin cats), and that's a little on the edge for speed tanking. However you could argue that with 1.8 ttk is going up so survivability is favorable for all scouts, but it seems to me that the Caldari Scout is more of an assault variant of the scouts: you can probably tank up to +800 HP with complex plates and shields, and if you stick a rail rife on that suit, you're going a great assault, but not a scout.
2. The Gallente Scout-
I seriously considered this scout, but after much deliberation, I have decided against. I'm going against this because in the end, this suit won't be as fast nor have as much HP on a shield tanking variant. At 4 Comp Kin cats, the Gal scout runs at 11.11m/s which is ridiculously fast. However the Minmatar scout at 3 Comp. Kin cats runs at 11.12m/s. I know it's .01 m/s greater but the point here is I'll be having about 100 more HP than a shield tanked Gal scout when I'm on a Minmatar scout. A major benefit to the Gal scout,however, is the 3 hp/s armor rep, which is a pretty good deal and is still nagging me even though I've made up my mind atm. There is also the issue of a lower base profile. In 1.8, Minjas will be losing their base profile dampening bonus and replaced with hacking speed, but I'm not concerned about this because (1) Scanners are going to be nerfed and (2) All scouts will be getting their base profile reduced to 35, and when you have the bonus from the dampnening skill you can bring it down to 32. Ultimately I have decided against the Gal scout because of the HP. (I'm still considering that armor rep though lol)
3. The Amarr Scout-
This scout is pretty similar to the Gal scout. There are however a few key differences that set it apart from the Gal scout. The Amarr suit has the same exact slot setups for the std, adv, and proto suits as the Gal scout. Although it has the same slot setup, the Amarr scout is inherently slower than the Gal scout and has more base HP totaling 230 vs. the Gal scout's 200 HP. WIth 4 Complex Kin cats the Amarr Scout is goign to be less than 11m/s and probably closer to 10.6 m/s, but we should acknowledge that the bonus on the Amarr scout is the stamina bonus, which is really cool because you'll be able to literally do laps around the entire map and not lost stamina that quickly. There is not armor rep on the Amarr scout unfortunately (if there was I would've gone for this lol) but the HP at the proto level is pretty close to 400 when shield tanking and is another scout suit I've considered just as much as the Gal scout. Again this suit isn't as fast as the Minmatar scout, but that stamina just makes me drool.......Oh sorry, little sidetracked there, but yeah this would be another great assault scout suit. In summation I'm deterring myself from the Amarr because it's not as fast and not as much HP when shield tanking.
And finally for the Minmatar Scout:
As you could've figured out from reading the previous paragraphs, I'm focusing mostly on speed and HP, both of which the Minja succeeds in. However one of the most important and *coolest* features of the minmatar scout are the Nova Knives, which by the will be the only weapon with proficiency that increases the damage in general and not specific to armor or shield (+1 to that). Another thing to consider is the hacking speed, because if you want someone to hack that objective in 1.8 you better be sending your Minjas, who'll be able to hack those points in less than 5 seconds with the investments into hacking speed in addition to the bonus at level 5. However I have to say I'm a little biased towards them since I've been using them ever since I started playing this game and it's possible (lower probability) that I may switch to Gal or Amarr scout. The Minmatar scout can also be a decent assault since it'll have 3 High and 3 Low, allowing you to tank up to 700+ HP, with complex shields and plates, great for assaults.
Hope you learned something.
"One does not simply" look for a scout, it looks for you.
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LUGMOS
YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE
340
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Posted - 2014.03.08 05:47:00 -
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I'm going Gallente.
Why? Cuz Quafe.
The biggest threat to my scout is everything.
There is no them, only us.
[Q] <-- Drink Moar Quafe
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Meeko Fent
Kirkinen Risk Control
Caldari State
1937
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Posted - 2014.03.08 05:50:00 -
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I just had a thought.
You heard all about the "New Regen Tanking" stuff, right?
Well... Imagine a CalScout set up for Regen!
Because you Wanted to be Something your Not.
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Beck Weathers
Ultramarine Corp
686
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Posted - 2014.03.08 05:52:00 -
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I like the caldari for its ewar, and its able to fit a cloak fairly easy, wont be as fast but i hope to use it as a flanker so what speed it has should be enough as long as i can stay unoticed.
The minmatar will be fun as heck to run at insane speeds in knifing, but i fear massdrivers a bit much in 1.8 to get into knife range.
These forums must be located in the Californin country side, there is whine as far as the eye can see.
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Joel II X
Dah Gods O Bacon
1513
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Posted - 2014.03.08 05:54:00 -
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Yup. I'm staying as Gallente Scout at the moment because of the dampning bonus and I'm already used to the slots. The armor is cool and all, but I don't care much about it. I did fine without it so far.
Once I get a few more skills maxed out, I'll be going Minmatar scout because it suits my playstyle as well. Hacking and slashing. |
Darth-Carbonite GIO
Dust2Dust.
Top Men.
451
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Posted - 2014.03.08 06:03:00 -
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How exactly do you come up with 800+ HP for the Caldari scout? Unless I'm wrong, a fully tanked proto cal scout won't even come close to that.
Correction! You are quite right. I was looking at something completely different 
Preeminent Scrambler Slayer And Python Pilot
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Patrick57
5831
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Posted - 2014.03.08 06:06:00 -
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Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote:How exactly do you come up with 800+ HP for the Caldari scout? Unless I'm wrong, a fully tanked proto cal scout won't even come close to that.
With four Complex Extenders and two Complex Plates, it actually does come out around 800 HP. |
Oswald Rehnquist
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Posted - 2014.03.08 06:08:00 -
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Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote:How exactly do you come up with 800+ HP for the Caldari scout? Unless I'm wrong, a fully tanked proto cal scout won't even come close to that.
Unless skill points pushes it above 800
(66*4)+(135*2)+(130+70)=734
Below 28 dB
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mollerz
2691
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Posted - 2014.03.08 06:15:00 -
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Good summation.
I'm sticking with the minja because of the knives. But if anything, the minja just got funner with the hacking bonus and the slightly faster speed and bonus slots. With eM/1 being equivalent to the MK.0 I'm definitely all good.
I have the Ginja/Ganja/Gaijin scout up to ADV now, so respec or not it will be fun to stick with.. especially running the Federale one so I don't need to go proto. the built in armor regen will be pretty sweet. I may even make a sniper out of him.
Given a respec tho, I might consider switching to a caldari scout.
You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
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Bormir1r
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
147
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Posted - 2014.03.08 06:19:00 -
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Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote:How exactly do you come up with 800+ HP for the Caldari scout? Unless I'm wrong, a fully tanked proto cal scout won't even come close to that. Correction! You are quite right. I was looking at something completely different
500 shields and 300 armor yea lol...
"One does not simply" look for a scout, it looks for you.
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Asha Starwind
DUST University
Ivy League
471
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Posted - 2014.03.08 06:28:00 -
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Was pretty sure that the Cal scout was the one I wanted but after crunching numbers and theorycrafting fits, I simply find the Gal Scout more versatile than the Caladari suit, and may just stick with it. If shield tank does actually become viable, right now I'm still not convinced, I may spec into the Cal Suit and run both.
32db Mad Bomber.
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bamboo x
Eternal Beings
Proficiency V.
159
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Posted - 2014.03.08 06:57:00 -
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i have a feeling i will hate being a scout much less with the TTK increase
but i'm going for amarr sentinel man. dat projectile weapon resistance.
Hanging up the Min Logi, going full Amarr Sentinel with HMG, Ion Pistol, and Forge Gun.
My record high KD about 47/14
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Tectonic Fusion
1223
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Posted - 2014.03.08 07:05:00 -
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Caldari Scout = Dust 514 MGS1 style (dat radar).
Solo Player
Squad status: Locked
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Vesperz
Chatelain Rapid Response
Gallente Federation
59
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Posted - 2014.03.08 07:15:00 -
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Been running Minmatar Scout since forever, will still rock Minmatar scout come 1.8. 
Live by honor, kill by stealth.
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Asher Night
Dark Tengu
499
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Posted - 2014.03.08 07:25:00 -
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Thanks for the update, Facebook.
100% Tactical Scout Corporation
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Izlare Lenix
FREE AGENTS LP
187
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Posted - 2014.03.08 07:31:00 -
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Cal scout here I come baby. Sweet scans, nice ehp, and a cloak. OMG, I'M IN HEAVEN!!!!
Gun control is not about guns...it's about control.
The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
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Omareth Nasadra
The New Age Outlaws
WINMATAR.
329
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Posted - 2014.03.08 08:41:00 -
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sticking to the minja, too bad my precious dragonfly don't give me any bonus, just for that i considered skilling into gal, but nah 
Minmatar, In rust we trust!!!
Omareth Nasadra/Erynyes
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Bormir1r
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
149
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Posted - 2014.03.08 17:28:00 -
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bamboo x wrote:i have a feeling i will hate being a scout much less with the TTK increase
but i'm going for amarr sentinel man. dat projectile weapon resistance.
It will be better for scouts since tanking bullets will be easier and that means evading will be better...and that cloak lol
"One does not simply" look for a scout, it looks for you.
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Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
Legacy Rising
2570
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Posted - 2014.03.08 17:37:00 -
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I commend you on sticking the Minja.
Thought I think it's safe to say that it will come down to Minmatar/Gallente as best scouts.
The only thing to worry about is the Caldari scout since he seems to be the scout hunter.
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
Legacy Rising
2570
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Posted - 2014.03.08 17:38:00 -
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Omareth Nasadra wrote:sticking to the minja, too bad my precious dragonfly don't give me any bonus, just for that i considered skilling into gal, but nah
But it does get bonuses...?
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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Bormir1r
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
150
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Posted - 2014.03.08 17:41:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:I commend you on sticking the Minja.
Thought I think it's safe to say that it will come down to Minmatar/Gallente as best scouts.
The only thing to worry about is the Caldari scout since he seems to be the scout hunter.
Will the Caldari scout be able to pick up the Gal scout on passive scans?
"One does not simply" look for a scout, it looks for you.
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Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
Legacy Rising
2571
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Posted - 2014.03.08 17:42:00 -
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Bormir1r wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:I commend you on sticking the Minja.
Thought I think it's safe to say that it will come down to Minmatar/Gallente as best scouts.
The only thing to worry about is the Caldari scout since he seems to be the scout hunter. Will the Caldari scout be able to pick up the Gal scout on passive scans?
Nooopppeeee 
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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Bormir1r
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
150
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Posted - 2014.03.08 17:44:00 -
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You know what....I'll just get both the Gal and Min Scout. =)
"One does not simply" look for a scout, it looks for you.
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Floyd20 Azizora
L.O.T.I.S.
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
27
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Posted - 2014.03.08 17:45:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:Bormir1r wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:I commend you on sticking the Minja.
Thought I think it's safe to say that it will come down to Minmatar/Gallente as best scouts.
The only thing to worry about is the Caldari scout since he seems to be the scout hunter. Will the Caldari scout be able to pick up the Gal scout on passive scans? Nooopppeeee
not without 2 precision enchancers. |
Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
Legacy Rising
2571
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Posted - 2014.03.08 17:51:00 -
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Floyd20 Azizora wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Bormir1r wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:I commend you on sticking the Minja.
Thought I think it's safe to say that it will come down to Minmatar/Gallente as best scouts.
The only thing to worry about is the Caldari scout since he seems to be the scout hunter. Will the Caldari scout be able to pick up the Gal scout on passive scans? Nooopppeeee not without 2 precision enchancers.
Yup, and I think he can block it with 1 complex damp
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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Floyd20 Azizora
L.O.T.I.S.
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
28
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Posted - 2014.03.08 18:23:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:Floyd20 Azizora wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Bormir1r wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:I commend you on sticking the Minja.
Thought I think it's safe to say that it will come down to Minmatar/Gallente as best scouts.
The only thing to worry about is the Caldari scout since he seems to be the scout hunter. Will the Caldari scout be able to pick up the Gal scout on passive scans? Nooopppeeee not without 2 precision enchancers. Yup, and I think he can block it with 1 complex damp
2 damps on a gal scout, or 3 on any other make them impossible to detect by gal logi or cal scout |
ResistanceGTA
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
390
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Posted - 2014.03.08 18:30:00 -
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Thanks for this, I've been debating between the Minmatar and Gallente since the suit data for 1.8 came out. I've always wanted a Scout suit (love running my Dragonfly) but something always gets in the way (curse you ADSs!).
I've been leaning towards the Minmatar for the sweet hacking bonus (I'll never act like I can knife people in this game) while at the same time wanting the Gallente because I have a few blueprints of it (4) and the built in armor rep allowing me to make a better variant in comparison to the one I designed a few months ago. I was never going for Armor tanking, but desperately wanted/needed reps, so freeing up a low slot adds more versatility to the suit.
I now have more to think about...
xSivartx is my Heavy. There are many like him, but he is my own...
So, other Logi's back off, those are my Warpoints!
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Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
Legacy Rising
2572
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Posted - 2014.03.08 18:30:00 -
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Floyd20 Azizora wrote:
2 damps on a gal scout, or 3 on any other make them impossible to detect by gal logi or cal scout
2 isn't so bad, you can run a complex range amp and complex hack mod to compete with a Minny scout.
Or you can run 1 damp and a cloak and free up 3 lows.
Though, a Proto Logi with a focus scanner may pick ya up, but if we get a respec I think we see a good deal less of Logis
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
Legacy Rising
2572
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Posted - 2014.03.08 18:33:00 -
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ResistanceGTA wrote:Thanks for this, I've been debating between the Minmatar and Gallente since the suit data for 1.8 came out. I've always wanted a Scout suit (love running my Dragonfly) but something always gets in the way (curse you ADSs!).
I've been leaning towards the Minmatar for the sweet hacking bonus (I'll never act like I can knife people in this game) while at the same time wanting the Gallente because I have a few blueprints of it (4) and the built in armor rep allowing me to make a better variant in comparison to the one I designed a few months ago. I was never going for Armor tanking, but desperately wanted/needed reps, so freeing up a low slot adds more versatility to the suit.
I now have more to think about...
Hey, happy to help :)
You can't go wrong honestly. It appears that CCP really got the scout suits right in 1.8 and each one is tailored to a certain play style while still keeping to a more unified system.
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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LeGoose
SAM-MIK
General Tso's Alliance
198
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Posted - 2014.03.08 19:41:00 -
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I currently have 3 million sp saved up. If we don't get a respec I will be skilling into the caldari scout because yay shield tanking and cloaks! I will be keeping my minja because that knife bonus is too awesome to give up.
If we do get a respec I will be skilling out of my cal assault suit and take that sp and go both caldai and gallente scouts to have the best of both worlds. |
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