DUST Search - Let's talk dust : Should scout really be called scout?

Monkey MAC wrote:

Korvin Lomont wrote:

Sinboto Simmons wrote:

Honestly I don't think that scouts are much of their namesake many 'scouts' don't even carry scanners, myself included and I have proto, mostly due to logis being better for the role period(gallogi even getting a bonus soon), covert ops or hell even rapid assault would describe our role on the battlefield more accurately.

Thoughts?

Currently scouts have one of two roles they are either light Assaults/skirmishers or some sort of commando unit and none of these roles get represented by skills.

Even upcoming bonus to cloaks gets more in the light Assault/commando corner the into the scout corner...

To perform as a scout they need a lot of love.

First they need shared team view: what the scout sees should be visible for the squad/team.
Secondly they need scan assist points for passive scanning
Thirdly they need way better scan range and precision to work as scout

And maybe they need some sort of special ability like mark an area for orbitals to speed up the orbital strike or something like this....

New Passive Equipment: Communications Array/Suite
Any friendly unit within the Comms Array radius recieves shared team vision

New Active Equipment: Laser Designator
Once activated you can send a request for Transport, Vehicle Support, or Orbital Support to your teams commander, who will then do with it as he sees fit.

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Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 4876	Posted - 2014.03.08 03:35:00 - [1] - Quote Honestly I don't think that scouts are much of their namesake many 'scouts' don't even carry scanners, myself included and I have proto, mostly due to logis being better for the role period(gallogi even getting a bonus soon), covert ops or hell even rapid assault would describe our role on the battlefield more accurately. Thoughts? Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 4 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 304	Posted - 2014.03.08 03:38:00 - [2] - Quote What i know from my armytime, they should be recon. The problem with their role is CCP dont gave them scan bonus for example. Fast they are enough. Just put them on special role. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator BHD since MAG
Timtron Victory Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 63	Posted - 2014.03.08 03:43:00 - [3] - Quote Sam Tektzby wrote: What i know from my armytime, they should be recon (scout is accurate here). The problem with their role is CCP dont gave them scan bonus for example. Fast they are enough. Just put them on special role. I agree just the way we had slayer logis. Role bonus should be available to promote diversity. Basic suits should be customizable but not specialized suits like Sentinels, Logistics Basic heavy for example might be allowed to use Light weapons if they wanted but not Sentinels and they should be rewarded for specialization. Being up to have more armor on any level of Medium suit than a heavy is just plain wrong Proud Christian Jesus Loves You
Meeko Fent Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 1933	Posted - 2014.03.08 03:43:00 - [4] - Quote I don't think it matters. It be like asking "Should the Heavy REALLY be called a heavy? It'd be better to call them a Armored Combat Exoskeleton." Or if a Dropsuit really should be called a dropsuit. "They are really just a Combat Exoskeleton" I don't think such thought need be put into the names of the thing. Because you Wanted to be Something your Not.
Texs Red DUST University Ivy League 279	Posted - 2014.03.08 03:43:00 - [5] - Quote I think the Caldari scout could be very scout like, mostly due to it's bonuses to passive scan range/precision. Perhaps the Gallente scout should get the bonus to active scanners instead of the Gal logi plus it's bonus to profile damp. Although then what would the Gal logi get a bonus to, as they have no other racial equipment.
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 305	Posted - 2014.03.08 03:44:00 - [6] - Quote Sorry - edited old message. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator BHD since MAG
STEALTH HUNTER ZERO D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 157	Posted - 2014.03.08 03:45:00 - [7] - Quote I vote for it to here forth be known as the Ninja suit.
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 305	Posted - 2014.03.08 03:53:00 - [8] - Quote Timtron Victory wrote: Sam Tektzby wrote: What i know from my armytime, they should be recon (scout is accurate here). The problem with their role is CCP dont gave them scan bonus for example. Fast they are enough. Just put them on special role. I agree just the way we had slayer logis. Role bonus should be available to promote diversity. Basic suits should be customizable but not specialized suits like Sentinels, Logistics Basic heavy for example might be allowed to use Light weapons if they wanted but not Sentinels and they should be rewarded for specialization. Being up to have more armor on any level of Medium suit than a heavy is just plain wrong Agree here, we need more role focused points like achievment. Assault - Number of Kills, every five or more bonus. Logistic - Number of Support actions bonus. Scout - Number of Recon action bonus (there is awesome place for scaner). Commando - Number of Dual wield suppresions bonus (just idea here about forced atack to point taken by enemy). Sentinel - Number of Area denial bonus (just idea here about cover point atacked by enemy). Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator BHD since MAG
Lightning xVx R 0 N 1 N 405	Posted - 2014.03.08 03:54:00 - [9] - Quote Scout: a soldier or other person sent out ahead of a main force so as to gather information about the enemy's position, strength, or movements. Sounds like a lot of us are doing our jobs right.
J0LLY R0G3R 0uter.Heaven 589	Posted - 2014.03.08 03:58:00 - [10] - Quote XD .The Assassin. XD XD Indeed, chase me friend XD

Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 4878	Posted - 2014.03.08 04:02:00 - [11] - Quote Lightning xVx wrote: Scout: a soldier or other person sent out ahead of a main force so as to gather information about the enemy's position, strength, or movements. Sounds like a lot of us are doing our jobs right. While I find myself doing so often (in a coordinated team/squad) more likely than not I'm setting traps or flanking a target for stabby fun times. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 4 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Yeeeuuuupppp 147	Posted - 2014.03.08 04:03:00 - [12] - Quote They should be called stalkers. My Minnie is friendly.. don't worry, I don't bite. I slash. Novice incubus pilot. Feel the wrath of my troll.
Roy Ventus Axis of Chaos 1277	Posted - 2014.03.08 04:07:00 - [13] - Quote Scout is good. They're keen for infiltration, intelligence-gathering, counter-intelligence, as well as assassination and rapid response. It's not CCP's fault that- Well it kinda is. Right now, most scouts are used for minor-infiltrating, rapid response, and assassination. In the competitive modes, people only use scouts for assassination and laying down uplinks. In the future, hopefully we'll have actual intelligence and counter-intelligence plays going on. It'll rely on the playerbase making use of it though but of course you can encourage it the same way they encouraged scanning. One day, I want to see dynamic team battles go down with scouts having an actual importance. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 4878	Posted - 2014.03.08 04:07:00 - [14] - Quote Yeeeuuuupppp wrote: They should be called stalkers. That's copyrighted. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 4 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Phazoid The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 264	Posted - 2014.03.08 04:09:00 - [15] - Quote Recon is more our style We speak the Dragon's language of flame and rage. Together we shall weave a tale of destruction without equal...
Vicious Minotaur Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 715	Posted - 2014.03.08 04:14:00 - [16] - Quote Does it matter? What if they were called "vindictive skinny people?" Would that change anything? Why does it matter what a somewhat versatile suit is called? Some will use the suit to scan, stalk, and observe enemies, relay the info, and perhaps kill or cause confusion. For them, the name "scout" is fitting. Others use the suit as a platform for assassination, and the name is not fitting. Others will use the scout suit with remote explosives in such a way that the suit would be more appropriately named "vindictive skinny people." The same goes for other suits. Sometimes the name fits what people use the suit for, sometimes it doesn't. That is the price you pay when you give players highly customizable fitting capabilities.
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 155	Posted - 2014.03.08 04:21:00 - [17] - Quote **** it, they're pretty much Jedi without lightsabers, man. Hanging up the Min Logi, going full Amarr Sentinel with HMG, Ion Pistol, and Forge Gun. My record high KD about 47/14
negative49er Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 527	Posted - 2014.03.08 04:32:00 - [18] - Quote should called the minmatar scout the assassin class Dedicated Shotgun Scout and professional backstabber
LT SHANKS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 1609	Posted - 2014.03.08 04:36:00 - [19] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: I don't think it matters. It be like asking "Should the Heavy REALLY be called a heavy? It'd be better to call them a Armored Combat Exoskeleton." Or if a Dropsuit really should be called a dropsuit. "They are really just a Combat Exoskeleton" I don't think such thought need be put into the names of the thing. Heavy is the frame type. Sentinels match them perfectly.
COVERT SUBTERFUGE PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 563	Posted - 2014.03.08 04:53:00 - [20] - Quote No need to split hairs over semantics. Scout is a general archtype known for being fast, weak, about intel, etc etc. Scanning, deploying uplinks behind enemy lines, hacking ****, I do this already. Scout is fine. Proud Minmatar scout - Republic Merc 6/10 Immune to bitter/jaded vet syndrome Roll with the punches instead of QQing

Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 936	Posted - 2014.03.08 04:57:00 - [21] - Quote Awww.... look Sinboto still posting. You still care, eh? Good to see that in a vet, let alone a scout. +1 PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8. That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 1984	Posted - 2014.03.08 05:00:00 - [22] - Quote Vicious Minotaur wrote: Does it matter? What if they were called "vindictive skinny people?" Would that change anything? Why does it matter what a somewhat versatile suit is called? Some will use the suit to scan, stalk, and observe enemies, relay the info, and perhaps kill or cause confusion. For them, the name "scout" is fitting. Others use the suit as a platform for assassination, and the name is not fitting. Others will use the scout suit with remote explosives in such a way that the suit would be more appropriately named "vindictive skinny people." The same goes for other suits. Sometimes the name fits what people use the suit for, sometimes it doesn't. That is the price you pay when you give players highly customizable fitting capabilities. We're calling them that now. You are no longer scouts, you are vindictive skinny people. Assault ak.0 w/ScR+ScP 4LYFE
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 4880	Posted - 2014.03.08 05:00:00 - [23] - Quote Ludvig Enraga wrote: Awww.... look Sinboto still posting. You still care, eh? Good to see that in a vet, let alone a scout. +1 I had my emo moment a while ago. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 4 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 1512	Posted - 2014.03.08 05:09:00 - [24] - Quote I don't really think it matters. As long as the suit itself works.
Godin Thekiller OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1842	Posted - 2014.03.08 05:11:00 - [25] - Quote Doesn't really matter. Also, if we ever get 2 tech 2 frames, and the second Scout frame has bonuses towards EWAR, scout would fit the most imo. 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever! Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Timtron Victory Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 64	Posted - 2014.03.08 07:00:00 - [26] - Quote I think for one, scanner results should be available to all members of a team. That would make scouting more useful to the entire team. Maybe only scout suits get the bonus or only scout suits can relay position of enemies to every member of the team. Now that would make this game more fun Proud Christian Jesus Loves You
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 4967	Posted - 2014.03.10 09:28:00 - [27] - Quote bump Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 4 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 1026	Posted - 2014.03.10 09:46:00 - [28] - Quote I personally like the name of skirmisher for the glorious matari scout. Join the Channel - CPM1 Candidates - Get to know who's running. Delt for CPM1
Retarn Dominus H.A.R.V.E.S.T. Legacy Rising 32	Posted - 2014.03.10 10:05:00 - [29] - Quote Call me what you want. The sound of my REs and blades will still sound the same. Overcome rage = better merc
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 678	Posted - 2014.03.10 11:26:00 - [30] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Honestly I don't think that scouts are much of their namesake many 'scouts' don't even carry scanners, myself included and I have proto, mostly due to logis being better for the role period(gallogi even getting a bonus soon), covert ops or hell even rapid assault would describe our role on the battlefield more accurately. Thoughts? Currently scouts have one of two roles they are either light Assaults/skirmishers or some sort of commando unit and none of these roles get represented by skills. Even upcoming bonus to cloaks gets more in the light Assault/commando corner the into the scout corner... To perform as a scout they need a lot of love. First they need shared team view: what the scout sees should be visible for the squad/team. Secondly they need scan assist points for passive scanning Thirdly they need way better scan range and precision to work as scout And maybe they need some sort of special ability like mark an area for orbitals to speed up the orbital strike or something like this....

Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1601	Posted - 2014.03.10 11:29:00 - [31] - Quote Call them assaults, and remove the current assault suits. Problem solved. Drop it like its hat.
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2175	Posted - 2014.03.10 11:32:00 - [32] - Quote Its just a name as far as Im concerned. If we think about the suits as classes in an RPG Sentinel - Big Tank Bigger Weapon Logistics - Support/Healer Commando - Jack of all Trades/ Damage dealer Assault - **** Scout - Ninja Stabby Stabby In which case the name fits rather well. Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
steadyhand amarr TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 2518	Posted - 2014.03.10 11:35:00 - [33] - Quote Light assult would be a better fit but really its just nitpicking it has no real impact given a scout suit could scout if we had anything worth scouting out but alas scouts have no scout style gameplay objectives "i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2175	Posted - 2014.03.10 11:38:00 - [34] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Honestly I don't think that scouts are much of their namesake many 'scouts' don't even carry scanners, myself included and I have proto, mostly due to logis being better for the role period(gallogi even getting a bonus soon), covert ops or hell even rapid assault would describe our role on the battlefield more accurately. Thoughts? Currently scouts have one of two roles they are either light Assaults/skirmishers or some sort of commando unit and none of these roles get represented by skills. Even upcoming bonus to cloaks gets more in the light Assault/commando corner the into the scout corner... To perform as a scout they need a lot of love. First they need shared team view: what the scout sees should be visible for the squad/team. Secondly they need scan assist points for passive scanning Thirdly they need way better scan range and precision to work as scout And maybe they need some sort of special ability like mark an area for orbitals to speed up the orbital strike or something like this.... New Passive Equipment: Communications Array/Suite Any friendly unit within the Comms Array radius recieves shared team vision New Active Equipment: Laser Designator Once activated you can send a request for Transport, Vehicle Support, or Orbital Support to your teams commander, who will then do with it as he sees fit. Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 1026	Posted - 2014.03.10 11:46:00 - [35] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Its just a name as far as Im concerned. If we think about the suits as classes in an RPG Sentinel - Big Tank Bigger Weapon Logistics - Support/Healer Commando - Jack of all Trades/ Damage dealer Assault - **** Scout - Ninja Stabby Stabby In which case the name fits rather well. If we go by D&D Scout - rogue or bard Logi - cleric or favored soul Sentinel - barbarian Assault - fighter Commando - Monk And I say or bard because the secondary support unit they'll be able to play in 1.8 with two EQ slots Join the Channel - CPM1 Candidates - Get to know who's running. Delt for CPM1
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 2011	Posted - 2014.03.10 11:59:00 - [36] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Its just a name as far as Im concerned. If we think about the suits as classes in an RPG Sentinel - Big Tank Bigger Weapon Logistics - Support/Healer Commando - Jack of all Trades/ Damage dealer Assault - **** Scout - Ninja Stabby Stabby In which case the name fits rather well. If we go by D&D Scout - rogue or bard Logi - cleric or favored soul Sentinel - barbarian Assault - fighter Commando - Monk And I say or bard because the secondary support unit they'll be able to play in 1.8 with two EQ slots Logi in a tank is Batman Wizard. Assault ak.0 w/ScR+ScP 4LYFE Forum Warrior Level Two. (GëºGêçGëª)/
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 679	Posted - 2014.03.10 12:03:00 - [37] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Korvin Lomont wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Honestly I don't think that scouts are much of their namesake many 'scouts' don't even carry scanners, myself included and I have proto, mostly due to logis being better for the role period(gallogi even getting a bonus soon), covert ops or hell even rapid assault would describe our role on the battlefield more accurately. Thoughts? Currently scouts have one of two roles they are either light Assaults/skirmishers or some sort of commando unit and none of these roles get represented by skills. Even upcoming bonus to cloaks gets more in the light Assault/commando corner the into the scout corner... To perform as a scout they need a lot of love. First they need shared team view: what the scout sees should be visible for the squad/team. Secondly they need scan assist points for passive scanning Thirdly they need way better scan range and precision to work as scout And maybe they need some sort of special ability like mark an area for orbitals to speed up the orbital strike or something like this.... New Passive Equipment: Communications Array/Suite Any friendly unit within the Comms Array radius recieves shared team vision New Active Equipment: Laser Designator Once activated you can send a request for Transport, Vehicle Support, or Orbital Support to your teams commander, who will then do with it as he sees fit. Well new modules/equipment would work as well but remember those could be used by any suit, so without buffing those modules /equipment on scouts that would not create a role for the suit, you could of course make those scout exclusive but I doubt CCP plans the introduction of more exclusive gear...
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 4996	Posted - 2014.03.11 10:56:00 - [38] - Quote bump Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 4 STB-Infantry (Demolition)


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