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Xaviah Reaper
Nyain San Renegade Alliance
260
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Posted - 2014.03.08 03:24:00 -
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This game is getting out of hand. Imbalance has constantly been an issue, players with amazing ideas feel ignored, and we are in the dark until 3 weeks before any major update at which point you yourselves have said "we didnt have the chance to make any changes", due to the fact you didnt give us a chance to read your patch notes and question them.
I feel we as a community deserve a "detailed" plan, outlining the next 3 years of Dust514, with every bit of detailed explanation into every possible change, and area you decide to make, BEFORE you decide to make any of those changes. You need to listen to the most experienced of us, and take every factor into account when trying to balance, or implement new ideas. literally every aspect of this game has a knock-on effect, and the inexperienced cannot see that.
please just listen to us for once, and give us the chance to help you push this game in the right direction. Do not let Dust follow the same path as MAG!
edit: and yes... there are some of us who would literally do your job for you without payment.
Best game with a Python:
33kills 1 death (1.6)
24kills 1 death (1.7)
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jaksol returns
highland marines IMMORTAL REGIME
12
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Posted - 2014.03.08 03:50:00 -
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Xaviah Reaper wrote:This game is getting out of hand. Imbalance has constantly been an issue, players with amazing ideas feel ignored, and we are in the dark until 3 weeks before any major update at which point you yourselves have said "we didnt have the chance to make any changes", due to the fact you didnt give us a chance to read your patch notes and question them.
I feel we as a community deserve a "detailed" plan, outlining the next 3 years of Dust514, with every bit of detailed explanation into every possible change, and area you decide to make, BEFORE you decide to make any of those changes. You need to listen to the most experienced of us, and take every factor into account when trying to balance, or implement new ideas. literally every aspect of this game has a knock-on effect, and the inexperienced cannot see that.
please just listen to us for once, and give us the chance to help you push this game in the right direction. Do not let Dust follow the same path as MAG!
edit: and yes... there are some of us who would literally do your job for you without payment.
asking to much I think the devs sould make 3 treads one for new ideas one to talk about whats coming and one keeping us up to date on what your working on for example what your planning to nerf buff and things like that 2 months advanced
Sacrifice is a choice you make, Loss is a choice made for you .
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Dunce Masterson
Savage Bullet
29
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Posted - 2014.03.08 07:53:00 -
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i think this is what the CPM's are supposed to do if you dont like where this game is headed get some new ones to replace the old ones. |
Piraten Hovnoret
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
367
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Posted - 2014.03.08 08:07:00 -
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Yeah listen to NYAN
They will say what they will spam the crap out of if implemented.
Like this
CCP: this are the changes to tanks we are thinking of NYAN: that's super cool then we can spam ambush with then CCP: ? NYAN: it's called being competitive CCP: ? NYAN: it will benefit us.. No no no we mean the game CCP: AWSOME LETS DO IT
=ƒÖê=ƒÖë=ƒÖè
War never changes
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501st Headstrong
G0DS AM0NG MEN D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
143
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Posted - 2014.03.08 12:52:00 -
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Agreed. We have waited many months for this patch. If we don't get a respec, that's one thing. But if it's laggy and broken and buggy, SO Many people will be pissed off (including myself). I am one of those people the OP refered to by the way. I would happily beta-test for you without pay. Either looks good on a resumee, and I want to see Dust thrive. I'm already making a trailer.
IDGAF who you are. You shot at my Corp, now I WILL kill you. Only question is: Will you fight back?
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Xaviah Reaper
Nyain San Renegade Alliance
266
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Posted - 2014.03.08 15:17:00 -
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Piraten Hovnoret wrote:Yeah listen to NYAN
They will say what they will spam the crap out of if implemented.
Like this
CCP: this are the changes to tanks we are thinking of NYAN: that's super cool then we can spam ambush with then CCP: ? NYAN: it's called being competitive CCP: ? NYAN: it will benefit us.. No no no we mean the game CCP: AWSOME LETS DO IT
=ƒÖê=ƒÖë=ƒÖè
well... that is exactly what i men by an inexperienced comment.. the entire of nyain has like.. 3 tankers.
Best game with a Python:
33kills 1 death (1.6)
24kills 1 death (1.7)
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Xaviah Reaper
Nyain San Renegade Alliance
267
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Posted - 2014.03.08 15:25:00 -
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maybe a simple beta test is all it takes for the updates.
Best game with a Python:
33kills 1 death (1.6)
24kills 1 death (1.7)
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Piraten Hovnoret
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
370
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Posted - 2014.03.08 15:39:00 -
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Xaviah Reaper wrote:Piraten Hovnoret wrote:Yeah listen to NYAN
They will say what they will spam the crap out of if implemented.
Like this
CCP: this are the changes to tanks we are thinking of NYAN: that's super cool then we can spam ambush with then CCP: ? NYAN: it's called being competitive CCP: ? NYAN: it will benefit us.. No no no we mean the game CCP: AWSOME LETS DO IT
=ƒÖê=ƒÖë=ƒÖè
well... that is exactly what i men by an inexperienced comment.. the entire of nyain has like.. 3 tankers.
LOL yeah we have al run into dose 3 tankers in bush. So the rest are scrubs ?
War never changes
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Xaviah Reaper
Nyain San Renegade Alliance
267
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Posted - 2014.03.08 15:49:00 -
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Piraten Hovnoret wrote:Xaviah Reaper wrote:Piraten Hovnoret wrote:Yeah listen to NYAN
They will say what they will spam the crap out of if implemented.
Like this
CCP: this are the changes to tanks we are thinking of NYAN: that's super cool then we can spam ambush with then CCP: ? NYAN: it's called being competitive CCP: ? NYAN: it will benefit us.. No no no we mean the game CCP: AWSOME LETS DO IT
=ƒÖê=ƒÖë=ƒÖè
well... that is exactly what i men by an inexperienced comment.. the entire of nyain has like.. 3 tankers. LOL yeah we have al run into dose 3 tankers in bush. So the rest are scrubs ?
seriously .. what the hell is the deal with everybody hating nyain. The reason there is lag isn't because we are all freaking super nerds hacking routers and lag switching or whatever it is you guys accuse us of, its because 80% of us are in japan. The lag is CCPs fault. quit trying to grind off all your rage on us, and take that crap to somebody who actually cares or knows how to change a troll-diaper.
Best game with a Python:
33kills 1 death (1.6)
24kills 1 death (1.7)
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Sole Fenychs
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
229
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Posted - 2014.03.08 15:53:00 -
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I, for one, just want a rough outline of the overall plan for Dust. Not dates, but a timeline of milestones - e.g. "Racial parity before we add PvE" or something. |
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Tebu Gan
Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance
647
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Posted - 2014.03.08 19:03:00 -
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Xaviah Reaper wrote:Piraten Hovnoret wrote:Yeah listen to NYAN
They will say what they will spam the crap out of if implemented.
Like this
CCP: this are the changes to tanks we are thinking of NYAN: that's super cool then we can spam ambush with then CCP: ? NYAN: it's called being competitive CCP: ? NYAN: it will benefit us.. No no no we mean the game CCP: AWSOME LETS DO IT
=ƒÖê=ƒÖë=ƒÖè
well... that is exactly what i men by an inexperienced comment.. the entire of nyain has like.. 3 tankers.
Yeah, and the rest roll sica's.
"TANKERS" are a myth btw. No skill involved with tanking anymore, just another FOTM atm.
Tanks - Balancing Turrets
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I-Shayz-I
I-----I
2470
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Posted - 2014.03.08 19:16:00 -
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Xaviah Reaper wrote:seriously .. what the hell is the deal with everybody hating nyain.
The fact that when Uprising was deployed, EVERY Nyain member was running the Caldari Logistics proto because it was better than everything else. It wasn't until the nerf that I started to see a bit more diversity.
I'm sorry I have to be the one to make you realize this (because you seem clueless), but your corp has no diversity. They use the cheapest tactics, the same tactics, the best gear...basically whatever will get them the win.
That's not fun. That's not fair. That's not how CCP wants this game to be run or played. They didn't create only one dropsuit that's better than everything else, and one weapon that's better than everything else so that us players would ONLY run those things. It's just that every time there's a balance change it seems like Nyain is the first to skill into that new FOTM.
The worst thing I see Nyain doing isn't the tank spam in ambush, or the FOTM skilling, but the equipment spam. Because every single one of you runs a logi, you can all spam nanohives and equipment everywhere. Armor/damage stacked Gallente logistics playing as an offensive role sitting on 3-4 repping hives with a Rail Rifle. Sometimes upwards of 20 uplinks in a match might be down at one time. The way the game would lag because of this was obvious to anyone that played against you guys that you have no sense of respect.
I have never seen a corp use so many exploits, so many FOTMs, and so many cheap tactics that it's almost pointless to try and overcome you. It's like tripping the guy on the other team in Baseball when he's running the bases just so that you can win....except that there's no one around to even care that you're doing it. When someone finally speaks up about it and CCP prevents you from doing it, then your corp starts punching people in the face instead because hey, at least you're winning right?
Links:
List of Most Important Threads
I make logistics videos!
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
7263
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Posted - 2014.03.08 19:36:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:Xaviah Reaper wrote:seriously .. what the hell is the deal with everybody hating nyain. The fact that when Uprising was deployed, EVERY Nyain member was running the Caldari Logistics proto because it was better than everything else. It wasn't until the nerf that I started to see a bit more diversity. I'm sorry I have to be the one to make you realize this (because you seem clueless), but your corp has no diversity. They use the cheapest tactics, the same tactics, the best gear...basically whatever will get them the win. That's not fun. That's not fair. That's not how CCP wants this game to be run or played. They didn't create only one dropsuit that's better than everything else, and one weapon that's better than everything else. They created a whole assortment of suits and tried to balance them, but Nyain always uses the thing that gives them the most advantage. It's just that every time there's a balance change it seems like Nyain is the first to skill into that new FOTM...and that's just silly. The worst thing I see Nyain doing isn't the tank spam in ambush, or the FOTM skilling, but the equipment spam. Because every single one of you runs a logi, you can all spam nanohives and equipment everywhere. Armor/damage stacked Gallente logistics playing as an offensive role sitting on 3-4 repping hives with a Rail Rifle. Sometimes upwards of 20 uplinks in a match might be down at one time. The way you would do this on purpose to other players made it obvious that your corp has no respect. At that point you aren't being unfair, you're literally breaking the game so that the opponent doesn't even have a chance to fight back. Like kicking a dog with broken leg, and you're the one who broke his leg so he couldn't move. I have never seen a corp use so many exploits, so many FOTMs, and so many cheap tactics that it's almost pointless to try going against you guys. It's like tripping the guy on the other team in Baseball when he's running the bases just so that you can win....except that there's no one around to even care that you're doing it. When someone finally speaks up about it and CCP prevents you from doing it, then your corp starts punching people in the face instead because hey, at least you're winning right? We want a fair fight from good players, not a bunch of scrubs that are simply annoying to play against.
Ouch. And this is why I stay away from corp-vs-corp affairs.
Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer
Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
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Piraten Hovnoret
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
372
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Posted - 2014.03.08 19:50:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:Xaviah Reaper wrote:seriously .. what the hell is the deal with everybody hating nyain. The fact that when Uprising was deployed, EVERY Nyain member was running the Caldari Logistics proto because it was better than everything else. It wasn't until the nerf that I started to see a bit more diversity. I'm sorry I have to be the one to make you realize this (because you seem clueless), but your corp has no diversity. They use the cheapest tactics, the same tactics, the best gear...basically whatever will get them the win. That's not fun. That's not fair. That's not how CCP wants this game to be run or played. They didn't create only one dropsuit that's better than everything else, and one weapon that's better than everything else. They created a whole assortment of suits and tried to balance them, but Nyain always uses the thing that gives them the most advantage. It's just that every time there's a balance change it seems like Nyain is the first to skill into that new FOTM...and that's just silly. The worst thing I see Nyain doing isn't the tank spam in ambush, or the FOTM skilling, but the equipment spam. Because every single one of you runs a logi, you can all spam nanohives and equipment everywhere. Armor/damage stacked Gallente logistics playing as an offensive role sitting on 3-4 repping hives with a Rail Rifle. Sometimes upwards of 20 uplinks in a match might be down at one time. The way you would do this on purpose to other players made it obvious that your corp has no respect. At that point you aren't being unfair, you're literally breaking the game so that the opponent doesn't even have a chance to fight back. Like kicking a dog with broken leg, and you're the one who broke his leg so he couldn't move. I have never seen a corp use so many exploits, so many FOTMs, and so many cheap tactics that it's almost pointless to try going against you guys. It's like tripping the guy on the other team in Baseball when he's running the bases just so that you can win....except that there's no one around to even care that you're doing it. When someone finally speaks up about it and CCP prevents you from doing it, then your corp starts punching people in the face instead because hey, at least you're winning right? We want a fair fight from good players, not a bunch of scrubs that are simply annoying to play against.
The truth hurts Amen brother
War never changes
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I-Shayz-I
I-----I
2472
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Posted - 2014.03.08 19:59:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Ouch. And this is why I stay away from corp-vs-corp affairs.
Another reason I'm not part of a corp.
Links:
List of Most Important Threads
I make logistics videos!
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Alena Ventrallis
The Neutral Zone
817
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Posted - 2014.03.08 19:59:00 -
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Shots fired.
Best PVE idea I've seen.
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Sam Tektzby
Better Hide R Die
310
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Posted - 2014.03.08 20:04:00 -
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Xaviah Reaper wrote:This game is getting out of hand. Imbalance has constantly been an issue, players with amazing ideas feel ignored, and we are in the dark until 3 weeks before any major update at which point you yourselves have said "we didnt have the chance to make any changes", due to the fact you didnt give us a chance to read your patch notes and question them.
I feel we as a community deserve a "detailed" plan, outlining the next 3 years of Dust514, with every bit of detailed explanation into every possible change, and area you decide to make, BEFORE you decide to make any of those changes. You need to listen to the most experienced of us, and take every factor into account when trying to balance, or implement new ideas. literally every aspect of this game has a knock-on effect, and the inexperienced cannot see that.
please just listen to us for once, and give us the chance to help you push this game in the right direction. Do not let Dust follow the same path as MAG!
edit: and yes... there are some of us who would literally do your job for you without payment.
MAG was great, the path to oblivion was step by the sony, when they put less on ads, sacked zipper later and finaly left servers to third company without proper care.
Support - Tactician/Support
Deteis - Orator
BHD since MAG
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Vell0cet
SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance
1035
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Posted - 2014.03.08 20:15:00 -
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Sole Fenychs wrote:I, for one, just want a rough outline of the overall plan for Dust. Not dates, but a timeline of milestones - e.g. "Racial parity before we add PvE" or something. I agree, we need a general timeline outlining the rough priorities. We had one after 1.0, but CCP has pretty much finished everything on their list and not posted a new one.
I suspect CCP Rouge is holding back to have a "big reveal" for the press/fanfest attendees for his talk. I get why--he needs to prove to the world that he can turn this game around and needs a dramatic presentation to sell people on the future of DUST. His career is on the line, so I can appreciate him wanting to have a "Steve Jobsesque" presentation with lots of surprises and news.
I think this is a mistake. In a game like DUST where SP planning affects how you spend your SP today, I think the players really ought to always have a rough idea of what to expect over the next 3-6 months. For example, I'm looking forward to flying Amarr dropships with laser turrets. If they won't be here for at least 4 months, then I can spend SP on other things right now. However, if they're a very high priority, I should start saving now and possibly invest in vehicle upgrades to start practicing with militia ships from other factions.
There is still a lot of missing core content, and we are basically still beta testers. I'm ok with that; this is a very difficult game to balance. It is doing many things that have never been done before. It is going to be more of a marathon than a sprint, and I think the destination will be worth the effort. However, in order to be effective partners with CCP in building an amazing game together we have to know what's on the horizon, beyond the next patch or two.
Best PvE idea ever!
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Piraten Hovnoret
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
373
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Posted - 2014.03.08 21:06:00 -
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On a side note this is my PERSONAL opinion about NYAN.
War never changes
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