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Zahle Undt
Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising
849
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Posted - 2014.03.08 03:15:00 -
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While its mostly heavies, its not just for them anymore. Just had a match where it seemed every one on the other team from noobs to vets was rolling in their own mobile hospital/moving cover. And now thanks to grenade count reduction it will be even harder to punish the noobs with AV grenades. Way to go CCP.
I know people have called for hop out/in animations or something, but I also think that armor and shield regen within vehicles need to go and that LAVs need a good hard smack with the nerf bat. Oh well I guess in the meantime I need some militia rail tanks for scrub LAV teams
Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
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Awry Barux
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
1504
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Posted - 2014.03.08 03:33:00 -
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Zahle Undt wrote:While its mostly heavies, its not just for them anymore. Just had a match where it seemed every one on the other team from noobs to vets was rolling in their own mobile hospital/moving cover. And now thanks to grenade count reduction it will be even harder to punish the noobs with AV grenades. Way to go CCP.
I know people have called for hop out/in animations or something, but I also think that armor and shield regen within vehicles need to go and that LAVs need a good hard smack with the nerf bat. Oh well I guess in the meantime I need some militia rail tanks for scrub LAV teams
You just have to master shooting them out of it . There's nothing more satisfying than picking a heavy out of their LAV.
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echo47
Minmatar Republic
218
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Posted - 2014.03.08 03:41:00 -
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It is definitely annoying. But I think this is a case of CCP not being able to control players bitchassness. I have noticed in this game players tend to gravitate towards anything that is easy mode. They will pass it of as just having fun or trolling, some will even try and call it a tactic, but in reality it is the only way a lot of players can compete they just will not admit it.
Nerfing LAVGÇÖs is a bad idea they are already pretty fragile. I do not think it will be an issue when 1.8 drops I think we will see a lot more and tighter squad play. The guys driving around using LAVGÇÖs for cover are usually only a threat if you are alone.
I would rather look bad and win, than look good and lose.
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Bojo The Mighty
L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
3418
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Posted - 2014.03.08 03:42:00 -
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Please dissociate murder taxis from true lavs
I tried Redline Railgunning
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Zahle Undt
Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising
849
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Posted - 2014.03.08 04:00:00 -
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echo47 wrote:It is definitely annoying. But I think this is a case of CCP not being able to control players bitchassness. I have noticed in this game players tend to gravitate towards anything that is easy mode. They will pass it of as just having fun or trolling, some will even try and call it a tactic, but in reality it is the only way a lot of players can compete they just will not admit it.
Nerfing LAVGÇÖs is a bad idea they are already pretty fragile. I do not think it will be an issue when 1.8 drops I think we will see a lot more and tighter squad play. The guys driving around using LAVGÇÖs for cover are usually only a threat if you are alone. True, I was running lone wolf scout while this team was pissing me off
Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
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Awry Barux
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
1506
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Posted - 2014.03.08 04:05:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:Please dissociate murder taxis from true lavs
Please, what is a "true LAV"? I don't think I've seen LAVs used for anything other than transport, drive-bys, or running people over, ever, in 9 months of playing this game.
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Vitharr Foebane
Living Like Larry Schwag
729
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Posted - 2014.03.08 04:10:00 -
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Please explain how i am to travel between objectives as a heavy without a LAV? Do you want me to waddle out in the open where i can get out ranged by 99.9% of the light weapons and soon most side arms...
Thanks CCP for making the HMG Heavy viable again :3
That's no excuse to slack off on releasing a heavy laser though =.=
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Zahle Undt
Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising
849
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Posted - 2014.03.08 04:20:00 -
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Vitharr Foebane wrote:Please explain how i am to travel between objectives as a heavy without a LAV? Do you want me to waddle out in the open where i can get out ranged by 99.9% of the light weapons and soon most side arms...
People who use LAVs for transport from objective to objective aren't the problem its the guys who roam the map and never move 5 feet from their LAV that are annoying scrubs
Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
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Foundation Seldon
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
497
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Posted - 2014.03.08 05:03:00 -
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Awry Barux wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:Please dissociate murder taxis from true lavs Please, what is a "true LAV"? I don't think I've seen LAVs used for anything other than transport, drive-bys, or running people over, ever, in 9 months of playing this game.
There's a small group of us that are actually dedicated to running Driver + Gunner combos in LAVs. While running people over is always an option we tend to let the gunners handle it in the majority of situations.
In Small Railguns we trust. o7
Actual Anti-LAV Tips : So pre-1.7 the main tool for taking out an LAV were AV Grenades or Swarms. The Plasma cannon was a joke then as it is now and both AVs and Swarms are hilariously bad at taking out an LAV in their current state without some sort of driver error on the part of the pilot. With damage mods changing and Rifle damage being nerfed the effectiveness of the Driver + Gunner LAV combo is actually going to become fairly significantly increased as the go-to strategy is to make Gunner and Driver a Heavy in order to soak up as much damage as possible. So while there is a chance to take out an LAVs gunner with focused fire / a Rail Rifle / a Scrambler Rifle the chances of being able to do that in 1.8 are going to decrease.
Your only real option thus until they buff Swarms to the point where they don't bounce off the hull of a Methana is to run proximities which will insta-kill any sort of LAV when placed properly ... or use a Tank.
Saga v. Methana Balance
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Beck Weathers
Ultramarine Corp
681
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Posted - 2014.03.08 05:08:00 -
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They need to take more colision damage, If they ram me into a wall going 130mph they should be slung trough the windshield and splater all over the wall next to me, and the LAV all but explode on inpact.
These forums must be located in the Californin country side, there is whine as far as the eye can see.
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Foundation Seldon
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
497
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Posted - 2014.03.08 05:14:00 -
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Beck Weathers wrote:They need to take more colision damage, If they ram me into a wall going 130mph they should be slung trough the windshield and splater all over the wall next to me, and the LAV all but explode on inpact.
No, they just need to make infantry AV worth using.
Swarms suck until they hit Proto and the Plasma Cannon is a joke. The main problem on the Swarms side is that their progression is broken so buffing them makes Proto way too strong and nerfing them makes MLT/STD/ADV more or less a joke as well. I've said it before but they need to standardize the amount of missiles launched per tier (right now it goes by 1 each time) and make it so that the gap between STD and PRO is much smaller. THEN you can effectively balance them to the point where STD Swarms are powerful enough so that people won't just ignore them and PRO isn't so ridiculously more powerful that they're the only one's worth using.
Potato Cannon needs to be a viable Anti-Shield AV option.
AV Nades just need a straight buff.
The only viable AV against a well fit LAV is Proximities.
Saga v. Methana Balance
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mollerz
2690
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Posted - 2014.03.08 05:17:00 -
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I proposed a fix, and then heavy scrubs came out of the woodwork to defend it. so now I do it but in my scout suit. I also steal any LAVs heavies on my team are using to do that.
It's hilarious as hell to make them rage as I drive just a little bit ahead of them as they try to get in. Then again. Then again.. Usually around this tie they futilely start shooting at me. then I like ot use the stolen LAV to JLAV a tank, sometimes two if the CCP shittay programming gods see to it.
Hey- you wanna play like a weak beyotch, get treated like one I always say.
REs work great for this as well
You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
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Derpty Derp
It's All Gone Derp
108
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Posted - 2014.03.08 05:34:00 -
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Does your team have no forge gunner? if not you deserve to be killed by vehicles... Also swarms need a buff, but not to the point that they can easymode kill every vehicle without even having to aim... What I'm saying is, if you have a breach forge gun, then an LAV isn't a very safe place to be. Rather than everyone wanting **** nerfed to the ground so we all go COD style assualt rifles head first into the objectives, try using strategy, because it's there at the moment, it may need adjusting, but for the most part it works.
Also av grenades aren't meant for soloing vehicles, but you could always carry a nanohive and spam that 3rd grenade. |
Hoover Damn
H.A.R.V.E.S.T. Legacy Rising
64
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Posted - 2014.03.08 05:41:00 -
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Awry Barux wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:Please dissociate murder taxis from true lavs Please, what is a "true LAV"? I don't think I've seen LAVs used for anything other than transport, drive-bys, or running people over, ever, in 9 months of playing this game. Which is, shockingly enough, exactly what they're meant to be used for. |
Soldier Sorajord
Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION
166
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Posted - 2014.03.08 05:43:00 -
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Use a FG/Swarms/PlasmaCannon/Remotes. Try again, bro. Nades aren't meant to decimate a vehicle.
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Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar
Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY
427
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Posted - 2014.03.08 05:48:00 -
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mollerz wrote:I proposed a fix, and then heavy scrubs came out of the woodwork to defend it. so now I do it but in my scout suit. I also steal any LAVs heavies on my team are using to do that. It's hilarious as hell to make them rage as I drive just a little bit ahead of them as they try to get in. Then again. Then again.. Usually around this tie they futilely start shooting at me. then I like ot use the stolen LAV to JLAV a tank, sometimes two if the CCP shittay programming gods see to it. Hey- you wanna play like a weak beyotch, get treated like one I always say. REs work great for this as well ur a douche |
mollerz
2691
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Posted - 2014.03.08 06:05:00 -
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Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote:mollerz wrote:I proposed a fix, and then heavy scrubs came out of the woodwork to defend it. so now I do it but in my scout suit. I also steal any LAVs heavies on my team are using to do that. It's hilarious as hell to make them rage as I drive just a little bit ahead of them as they try to get in. Then again. Then again.. Usually around this tie they futilely start shooting at me. then I like ot use the stolen LAV to JLAV a tank, sometimes two if the CCP shittay programming gods see to it. Hey- you wanna play like a weak beyotch, get treated like one I always say. REs work great for this as well ur a douche
No.. a douche is a super tanked heavy flying around in an insta-delivered LAV to jump out and mow people down to jump back into their LAV afterwards and zip off.. oR if they start getting owned zip off.
That is dictionary definition douche.
You can only fight douche by squirting a douche with a nozzle
You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
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Vitharr Foebane
Living Like Larry Schwag
730
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Posted - 2014.03.08 06:12:00 -
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mollerz wrote:I proposed a fix, and then heavy scrubs came out of the woodwork to defend it. so now I do it but in my scout suit. I also steal any LAVs heavies on my team are using to do that. It's hilarious as hell to make them rage as I drive just a little bit ahead of them as they try to get in. Then again. Then again.. Usually around this tie they futilely start shooting at me. then I like ot use the stolen LAV to JLAV a tank, sometimes two if the CCP shittay programming gods see to it. Hey- you wanna play like a weak beyotch, get treated like one I always say. REs work great for this as well Sure steal my LAV ill just call in another BPOs FTW :3 But seriously you dont actually expect a heavy to waddle across open ground between objectives do you?
Thanks CCP for making the HMG Heavy viable again :3
That's no excuse to slack off on releasing a heavy laser though =.=
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mollerz
2691
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Posted - 2014.03.08 06:23:00 -
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Vitharr Foebane wrote:mollerz wrote:I proposed a fix, and then heavy scrubs came out of the woodwork to defend it. so now I do it but in my scout suit. I also steal any LAVs heavies on my team are using to do that. It's hilarious as hell to make them rage as I drive just a little bit ahead of them as they try to get in. Then again. Then again.. Usually around this tie they futilely start shooting at me. then I like ot use the stolen LAV to JLAV a tank, sometimes two if the CCP shittay programming gods see to it. Hey- you wanna play like a weak beyotch, get treated like one I always say. REs work great for this as well Sure steal my LAV ill just call in another BPOs FTW :3 But seriously you dont actually expect a heavy to waddle across open ground between objectives do you?
I have BPOs as well. I do not even need to steal an LAV. But they aren't waddling from objective to objective in most cases. They are tanking EHP and borrowing a scouts speed via a free LAV to zip around and shoot down people and hopping in and zipping off to pad the K/D. I think that it's an abused mechanic. LAVs should get a heavy from one objective to the next, albeit at a far slower speed. Not out speed tank a scout. Heavies get EHP, scouts get speed. A heavy shouldn't get the best of both at no cost, right?
One of the best hate mails I ever got was knifing down two heavies that tried that bullshit on me. two heavies!? Give me a break, son. How much of a win button do they need?
Now I just hack objectives, knife heavies, steal LAVs, and JLAV tanks.
Welcome to the new new eden o7
You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
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Lorhak Gannarsein
Science For Death
1988
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Posted - 2014.03.08 06:27:00 -
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Foundation Seldon wrote:Beck Weathers wrote:They need to take more colision damage, If they ram me into a wall going 130mph they should be slung trough the windshield and splater all over the wall next to me, and the LAV all but explode on inpact. No, they just need to make infantry AV worth using. Swarms suck until they hit Proto and the Plasma Cannon is a joke. The main problem on the Swarms side is that their progression is broken so buffing them makes Proto way too strong and nerfing them makes MLT/STD/ADV more or less a joke as well. I've said it before but they need to standardize the amount of missiles launched per tier (right now it goes by 1 each time) and make it so that the gap between STD and PRO is much smaller. THEN you can effectively balance them to the point where STD Swarms are powerful enough so that people won't just ignore them and PRO isn't so ridiculously more powerful that they're the only one's worth using. Potato Cannon needs to be a viable Anti-Shield AV option. AV Nades just need a straight buff. The only viable AV against a well fit LAV is Proximities.
I quite like being able to identify the meta of a swarm launcher from the number of impacts; maybe halve swarm damage and increase STD to 10, ADV to 11 and PRO to 12?
Have some hardcore volleys spiralling around the map.
Assault ak.0 w/ScR+ScP 4LYFE
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Vitharr Foebane
Living Like Larry Schwag
730
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Posted - 2014.03.08 06:33:00 -
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mollerz wrote:Vitharr Foebane wrote:mollerz wrote:I proposed a fix, and then heavy scrubs came out of the woodwork to defend it. so now I do it but in my scout suit. I also steal any LAVs heavies on my team are using to do that. It's hilarious as hell to make them rage as I drive just a little bit ahead of them as they try to get in. Then again. Then again.. Usually around this tie they futilely start shooting at me. then I like ot use the stolen LAV to JLAV a tank, sometimes two if the CCP shittay programming gods see to it. Hey- you wanna play like a weak beyotch, get treated like one I always say. REs work great for this as well Sure steal my LAV ill just call in another BPOs FTW :3 But seriously you dont actually expect a heavy to waddle across open ground between objectives do you? I have BPOs as well. I do not even need to steal an LAV. But they aren't waddling from objective to objective in most cases. They are tanking EHP and borrowing a scouts speed via a free LAV to zip around and shoot down people and hopping in and zipping off to pad the K/D. I think that it's an abused mechanic. LAVs should get a heavy from one objective to the next, albeit at a far slower speed. Not out speed tank a scout. Heavies get EHP, scouts get speed. A heavy shouldn't get the best of both at no cost, right? One of the best hate mails I ever got was knifing down two heavies that tried that bullshit on me. two heavies!? Give me a break, son. How much of a win button do they need? Now I just hack objectives, knife heavies, steal LAVs, and JLAV tanks. Welcome to the new new eden o7 Heavies are hardly a win button... H*ll they werent even all that useful until the HMG hotfix
Thanks CCP for making the HMG Heavy viable again :3
That's no excuse to slack off on releasing a heavy laser though =.=
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Vitharr Foebane
Living Like Larry Schwag
730
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Posted - 2014.03.08 06:35:00 -
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Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:Foundation Seldon wrote:Beck Weathers wrote:They need to take more colision damage, If they ram me into a wall going 130mph they should be slung trough the windshield and splater all over the wall next to me, and the LAV all but explode on inpact. No, they just need to make infantry AV worth using. Swarms suck until they hit Proto and the Plasma Cannon is a joke. The main problem on the Swarms side is that their progression is broken so buffing them makes Proto way too strong and nerfing them makes MLT/STD/ADV more or less a joke as well. I've said it before but they need to standardize the amount of missiles launched per tier (right now it goes by 1 each time) and make it so that the gap between STD and PRO is much smaller. THEN you can effectively balance them to the point where STD Swarms are powerful enough so that people won't just ignore them and PRO isn't so ridiculously more powerful that they're the only one's worth using. Potato Cannon needs to be a viable Anti-Shield AV option. AV Nades just need a straight buff. The only viable AV against a well fit LAV is Proximities. I quite like being able to identify the meta of a swarm launcher from the number of impacts; maybe halve swarm damage and increase STD to 10, ADV to 11 and PRO to 12? Have some hardcore volleys spiralling around the map. you realize that at half damage swarms wouldnt even break shield regen right?
Thanks CCP for making the HMG Heavy viable again :3
That's no excuse to slack off on releasing a heavy laser though =.=
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Snow Turtle
R 0 N 1 N
16
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Posted - 2014.03.08 06:51:00 -
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I hate how any heavy who drives around in an LAV gets categorized into this group. What about us who actually use the weird little alien thing on the back that some of us call the turret?
As for people who hate road-kill, it isn't as easy as you think. You have the choice of running the methana so you survive, but then road-kill becomes quite hard to pull off. Or there is the daring few who will run a well-specced saga, which makes road-kill easy but getting your LAV blown up easier.
Road-Kill is an art that takes time and skill to perfect, it's the random stray road-kills everyone is getting pissed at. Please don't automatically hate us, for we use our turrets and we perfect the road-kill art, and we do not deserve to be thrown into the same group as the wannabe drivers who do nothing but drive in their BPO LAV's the whole time as a way to make their HMG mobile and pad their K/D.
Caldari Scout. Dedicated Saga Pilot.
Knives, Needles, and Road Kill.
"Don't be dead, be happy!" -Snow Turtle
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Eberk Baldek
Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State
40
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Posted - 2014.03.08 07:04:00 -
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Awry Barux wrote:Zahle Undt wrote:While its mostly heavies, its not just for them anymore. Just had a match where it seemed every one on the other team from noobs to vets was rolling in their own mobile hospital/moving cover. And now thanks to grenade count reduction it will be even harder to punish the noobs with AV grenades. Way to go CCP.
I know people have called for hop out/in animations or something, but I also think that armor and shield regen within vehicles need to go and that LAVs need a good hard smack with the nerf bat. Oh well I guess in the meantime I need some militia rail tanks for scrub LAV teams You just have to master shooting them out of it . There's nothing more satisfying than picking a heavy out of their LAV.
LAVs are overpowered? Paalease! Nothing could be further from the truth. My swarmies can take them out in twos. Super-HAVs on the other hand are soooooo OP godmode. It's impossible to take them out with Swarm Launchers, and yes, now that AVs are getting nerffed, it might be even more difficult.
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Zahle Undt
Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising
851
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Posted - 2014.03.08 07:05:00 -
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Its not road kills, those are not as easy to do as when it was get touched and die. Its not using the LAV for transport. The big problems are being able to hop out, shoot, and then hop right back in the second their intended victim actually takes their shields down. Its the fact that you can shoot them down to almost nothing and they can hop in and drive around healing in relative safety. Its frankly abuse of the mechanics.
The mechanic of someone solo using a LAV turret to pop off shots then switch to driver seat and speed off would be obnoxious too if I didn't get so many kills on people doing this, but like a previous poster mentioned, if TTK is significantly higher upcoming build it may be viable. Like I said, some people spend whole matches about 3 feet from their LAV and then tell themselves how awesome they are with their high KDR. In the end scrubs are gonna scrub and call themselves tacticians but forums are good for letting off steam
Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
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Zahle Undt
Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising
851
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Posted - 2014.03.08 07:08:00 -
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Eberk Baldek wrote:Awry Barux wrote:Zahle Undt wrote:While its mostly heavies, its not just for them anymore. Just had a match where it seemed every one on the other team from noobs to vets was rolling in their own mobile hospital/moving cover. And now thanks to grenade count reduction it will be even harder to punish the noobs with AV grenades. Way to go CCP.
I know people have called for hop out/in animations or something, but I also think that armor and shield regen within vehicles need to go and that LAVs need a good hard smack with the nerf bat. Oh well I guess in the meantime I need some militia rail tanks for scrub LAV teams You just have to master shooting them out of it . There's nothing more satisfying than picking a heavy out of their LAV. LAVs are overpowered? Paalease! Nothing could be further from the truth. My swarmies can take them out in twos. Super-HAVs on the other hand are soooooo OP godmode. It's impossible to take them out with Swarm Launchers, and yes, now that AVs are getting nerffed, it might be even more difficult.
I never said OP, its just annoying to have to deal with infantry in my AV suits because of having to blow up murder taxi loving noobs. Thus why I'd like to see AV grenades be able to handle them. They are not worthy of actual AV...as lame as that currently is even.
Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
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Izlare Lenix
FREE AGENTS LP
187
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Posted - 2014.03.08 07:39:00 -
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I love tossing REs right next to the driver. It is hard, and I often miss. But when it sticks properly, the joy of blowing up that bitchass loser lav scrub masks me tingle in my pants.
Gun control is not about guns...it's about control.
The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
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Asher Night
Dark Tengu
499
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Posted - 2014.03.08 08:11:00 -
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Awry Barux wrote:Zahle Undt wrote:While its mostly heavies, its not just for them anymore. Just had a match where it seemed every one on the other team from noobs to vets was rolling in their own mobile hospital/moving cover. And now thanks to grenade count reduction it will be even harder to punish the noobs with AV grenades. Way to go CCP.
I know people have called for hop out/in animations or something, but I also think that armor and shield regen within vehicles need to go and that LAVs need a good hard smack with the nerf bat. Oh well I guess in the meantime I need some militia rail tanks for scrub LAV teams You just have to master shooting them out of it . There's nothing more satisfying than picking a heavy out of their LAV.
Yeah, OP. Master a very talented skill while everyone else utilizes an incredibly easy, cheap tactic. What are you dumb? It's not hard to become a master at sharpshooting. Jesus.
100% Tactical Scout Corporation
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Admonishment
The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo
138
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Posted - 2014.03.08 08:34:00 -
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Lmao dealt with one of them about a day ago. They would literally follow me around in the LAV but would not go more than 1 step away from it while randomly spraying in my direction. Soon as the slightest bit of health was taken they would jump in and drive around the corner and repeat. Went on for about 5 min until they finally realized I was just going in circles around them behind cover and they left. I thought it was funny more than anything else.
Level 5 proficiency in throat punching
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RemingtonBeaver
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
178
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Posted - 2014.03.08 09:11:00 -
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Yes, please.
Oh, sorry I thought the thread "LAV scrubs" was an offer to wash jeeps. You can still wash my jeep if you want. Get all those clone guts out of the tire tread too.
We can pickle that.
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