DUST Search - What will 1.8 do about tanks?

BL4CKST4R wrote:

Emo Skellington wrote:

Delta 749 wrote:

Absolutely nothing, I forget where the thread is but CPM has said CCP has no plans to do anything about it this patch
Also I find it funny you got a hair across your ass when I said heavies shouldnt require multiple people to kill in another thread and you tried to justify it by saying they are walking tanks and need multiple people to kill
As a matter of fact I even used the current state of tanks as an example of why thats terrible game design

Gotta love when people catch you being a hypocrite

My point being made though is a single person in a suit specifically designed to take out tanks (FORGE GUNNERS) shouldn't have to throw 10 forge charges into a tank and that mofo isn't dead.

And again a heavy is built to withstand multiple infantry firing at him. tanks are meant to last against a cfew forge gun hits not a dozen. same for heavys....
B
But the fact is that people are using blaster tanks more than their actual suits

Another fact is that the tanks are too flippin cheap... my proto suit is more expensive than a tank..... That shouldn't be the case.

I wish heavies worked like Max suits. They figured out how to balance heavy type suits. Maybe CCP will learn to.

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Emo Skellington The Neutral Zone 18	Posted - 2014.03.07 20:13:00 - [1] - Quote Tanks are ruining this game right now because their is no real AV weapon to take out a tank.... All AV weapons and equipment has been nerfed to crap. What they really need to do is setup the tanks EXACTLY like they did in 1.6. I have no doubt that 1.6 was the BEST of Dust. And I know plenty agree with that minus the laser rifle and mass driver issues. The person who came up beside you and got ya while calling a tank.... yeah that was me :P
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION 968	Posted - 2014.03.07 20:16:00 - [2] - Quote The best era of DUST for me personally was the chromosome build. By far. Join our public channel - ACME SPECIAL FORCES PUB For the STATE!
Onesimus Tarsus Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1438	Posted - 2014.03.07 20:17:00 - [3] - Quote What will 1.8 do about tanks? Fat loads of nothing, I'd wager. Unless you're just *addicted* to wetsuit paperdolls...
darkiller240 WarRavens League of Infamy 532	Posted - 2014.03.07 20:17:00 - [4] - Quote For me it was the carbon PC version "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein
Leonid Tybalt Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 303	Posted - 2014.03.07 20:27:00 - [5] - Quote Emo Skellington wrote: Tanks are ruining this game right now because their is no real AV weapon to take out a tank.... All AV weapons and equipment has been nerfed to crap. What they really need to do is setup the tanks EXACTLY like they did in 1.6. I have no doubt that 1.6 was the BEST of Dust. And I know plenty agree with that minus the laser rifle and mass driver issues. You mean back where any idiot with an adv swarm launcher could blow up any tank in two salvoes and where any idiot with a forge gun could 1-shot any tank? Yeah, that sure was "balanced"
Emo Skellington The Neutral Zone 18	Posted - 2014.03.07 20:31:00 - [6] - Quote Leonid Tybalt wrote: Emo Skellington wrote: Tanks are ruining this game right now because their is no real AV weapon to take out a tank.... All AV weapons and equipment has been nerfed to crap. What they really need to do is setup the tanks EXACTLY like they did in 1.6. I have no doubt that 1.6 was the BEST of Dust. And I know plenty agree with that minus the laser rifle and mass driver issues. You mean back where any idiot with an adv swarm launcher could blow up any tank in two salvoes and where any idiot with a forge gun could 1-shot any tank? Yeah, that sure was "balanced" I never one shotted a tank but I wish I could with the way these people run tanks now..... Tankbush and having 3-5 enemy tanks on enemy team...that's not right. If the matches were even bigger, as in more people, then y7es I wouldn't mind it so much Am I insane for going after people with RR's? Probably cause I hear that sound and it makes me want to blow them up:P
Rinzler XVIII Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 194	Posted - 2014.03.07 20:49:00 - [7] - Quote Leonid Tybalt wrote: Emo Skellington wrote: Tanks are ruining this game right now because their is no real AV weapon to take out a tank.... All AV weapons and equipment has been nerfed to crap. What they really need to do is setup the tanks EXACTLY like they did in 1.6. I have no doubt that 1.6 was the BEST of Dust. And I know plenty agree with that minus the laser rifle and mass driver issues. You mean back where any idiot with an adv swarm launcher could blow up any tank in two salvoes and where any idiot with a forge gun could 1-shot any tank? Yeah, that sure was "balanced" Duna and various other pro tankers very rarely lost tanks .. because they had support from infantry What your saying is you died running around solo in a Tank because AVers were free to attack you right ... 1.7 basically made tanks ez mode for everyone .. they used to require some level of skill and when done properly they wrecked the enemy .. even I can get kills in a tank
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 10667	Posted - 2014.03.07 20:51:00 - [8] - Quote What will it do? It will nerf AV further. Have fun. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Scheherazade VII 305	Posted - 2014.03.07 20:53:00 - [9] - Quote If they don't do anything about tanks then I'm out and so will a lot of other people. Plus nobody who left because of 1.7 with the intention of coming back in 1.8 will actually come back. Damage mods nerfed too so it's going to be harder to use AV. Tanks will be just as worse unless a dev blog confirms otherwise, all they need to do is make them expensive again and undo the FG and SL damage nerf (not sure if damage or just range on SL was nerfed). Seriously, nobody wants to be farmed by tanks. I don't even think we ever got acknowledgement from CCP that they completely broke the game, scared people off and allowed people to spam 6 tanks in Ambush. If they don't address it then I have completely lost faith. If the developer doesn't fix the biggest, most crucial issue with the game then they have their heads in the clouds and certainly don't deserve anybody's money. Prove us wrong CCP
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 2618	Posted - 2014.03.07 20:53:00 - [10] - Quote Absolutely nothing, I forget where the thread is but CPM has said CCP has no plans to do anything about it this patch Also I find it funny you got a hair across your ass when I said heavies shouldnt require multiple people to kill in another thread and you tried to justify it by saying they are walking tanks and need multiple people to kill As a matter of fact I even used the current state of tanks as an example of why thats terrible game design Gotta love when people catch you being a hypocrite I'll start my own war, with hookers, and blackjack! In fact forget the war and the blackjack.

Skihids Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 3002	Posted - 2014.03.07 20:55:00 - [11] - Quote This is all part of the rapid iteration required after such a large change to a major mechanic in production without the benefit of QA testing. Step 1: Drop a huge change without testing Step 2: Don't do any iterative tweaking for several months Step 3: ??? Step 4: Profit
Onesimus Tarsus Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1441	Posted - 2014.03.07 20:57:00 - [12] - Quote Tanks were made cheap and easy in order to more quickly shred suits/SP/ISK/money. Unless you're just *addicted* to wetsuit paperdolls...
Emo Skellington The Neutral Zone 18	Posted - 2014.03.07 20:59:00 - [13] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: Absolutely nothing, I forget where the thread is but CPM has said CCP has no plans to do anything about it this patch Also I find it funny you got a hair across your ass when I said heavies shouldnt require multiple people to kill in another thread and you tried to justify it by saying they are walking tanks and need multiple people to kill As a matter of fact I even used the current state of tanks as an example of why thats terrible game design Gotta love when people catch you being a hypocrite My point being made though is a single person in a suit specifically designed to take out tanks (FORGE GUNNERS) shouldn't have to throw 10 forge charges into a tank and that mofo isn't dead. And again a heavy is built to withstand multiple infantry firing at him. tanks are meant to last against a cfew forge gun hits not a dozen. same for heavys.... B But the fact is that people are using blaster tanks more than their actual suits Another fact is that the tanks are too flippin cheap... my proto suit is more expensive than a tank..... That shouldn't be the case. Am I insane for going after people with RR's? Probably cause I hear that sound and it makes me want to blow them up:P
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 2618	Posted - 2014.03.07 21:02:00 - [14] - Quote Emo Skellington wrote: Delta 749 wrote: Absolutely nothing, I forget where the thread is but CPM has said CCP has no plans to do anything about it this patch Also I find it funny you got a hair across your ass when I said heavies shouldnt require multiple people to kill in another thread and you tried to justify it by saying they are walking tanks and need multiple people to kill As a matter of fact I even used the current state of tanks as an example of why thats terrible game design Gotta love when people catch you being a hypocrite My point being made though is a single person in a suit specifically designed to take out tanks (FORGE GUNNERS) shouldn't have to throw 10 forge charges into a tank and that mofo isn't dead. But its ok for a single person in a suit using a weapon designed specifically for taking out other suits to struggle againts a person in a suit? Now dont get me wrong I fully agree AV is broken as **** right now and needs massive tweaking especially in light of the indirect nerf it will receive from damage mods getting reduced effectiveness but when you say one situation is ok while crying about another nearly exact situation Im going to call you out on it I'll start my own war, with hookers, and blackjack! In fact forget the war and the blackjack.
Emo Skellington The Neutral Zone 18	Posted - 2014.03.07 21:09:00 - [15] - Quote Delt Gotta love when people catch you being a hypocrite[/quote wrote: My point being made though is a single person in a suit specifically designed to take out tanks (FORGE GUNNERS) shouldn't have to throw 10 forge charges into a tank and that mofo isn't dead. But its ok for a single person in a suit using a weapon designed specifically for taking out other suits to struggle againts a person in a suit? Now dont get me wrong I fully agree AV is broken as ** right now and needs massive tweaking especially in light of the indirect nerf it will receive from damage mods getting reduced effectiveness but when you say one situation is ok while crying about another nearly exact situation Im going to call you out on it[/quote] That's just it though. This isn't the same.... a tank should be expensive, not cheaper than a proto... Other than the obvious ** nerf that CCP pulled with the AV weapons the pricing issue should make it less compelling to pull out 3 tanks and still be able to make a profit Am I insane for going after people with RR's? Probably cause I hear that sound and it makes me want to blow them up:P
Emo Skellington The Neutral Zone 20	Posted - 2014.03.07 21:11:00 - [16] - Quote My point being made though is a single person in a suit specifically designed to take out tanks (FORGE GUNNERS) shouldn't have to throw 10 forge charges into a tank and that mofo isn't dead.[/quote] But its ok for a single person in a suit using a weapon designed specifically for taking out other suits to struggle againts a person in a suit? Now dont get me wrong I fully agree AV is broken as **** right now and needs massive tweaking especially in light of the indirect nerf it will receive from damage mods getting reduced effectiveness but when you say one situation is ok while crying about another nearly exact situation Im going to call you out on it[/quote] I guess what im saying is that I wouldn't be so mad if I knew that I took out one of the tanks and they wouldn't call it in again cause they just lost 150K or in my friend Alena Ventrallis' case. 450K Am I insane for going after people with RR's? Probably cause I hear that sound and it makes me want to blow them up:P
Tectonic Fusion 1212	Posted - 2014.03.07 21:11:00 - [17] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: What will 1.8 do about tanks? Fat loads of nothing, I'd wager. Help infantry do less damage because forge guns and swarms are pretty damn OP. Solo Player Squad status: Locked
ads alt DROID EXILES General Tso's Alliance 89	Posted - 2014.03.07 21:14:00 - [18] - Quote Emo Skellington wrote: Tanks are ruining this game right now because their is no real AV weapon to take out a tank.... All AV weapons and equipment has been nerfed to crap. What they really need to do is setup the tanks EXACTLY like they did in 1.6. I have no doubt that 1.6 was the BEST of Dust. And I know plenty agree with that minus the laser rifle and mass driver issues. Here is my av build Caldari scout Magsec smg Remote explosives Cloak Complex kincat Complex damps, another kincat if no scanners or it depends If you expect patch notes soon, you're gunna have a bad time
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1992	Posted - 2014.03.07 21:22:00 - [19] - Quote Emo Skellington wrote: Tanks are ruining this game right now because their is no real AV weapon to take out a tank.... All AV weapons and equipment has been nerfed to crap. What they really need to do is setup the tanks EXACTLY like they did in 1.6. I have no doubt that 1.6 was the BEST of Dust. And I know plenty agree with that minus the laser rifle and mass driver issues. Chromosome that Assault type-II Vk.0 was glorious For the Federation!
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1992	Posted - 2014.03.07 21:26:00 - [20] - Quote Emo Skellington wrote: Delta 749 wrote: Absolutely nothing, I forget where the thread is but CPM has said CCP has no plans to do anything about it this patch Also I find it funny you got a hair across your ass when I said heavies shouldnt require multiple people to kill in another thread and you tried to justify it by saying they are walking tanks and need multiple people to kill As a matter of fact I even used the current state of tanks as an example of why thats terrible game design Gotta love when people catch you being a hypocrite My point being made though is a single person in a suit specifically designed to take out tanks (FORGE GUNNERS) shouldn't have to throw 10 forge charges into a tank and that mofo isn't dead. And again a heavy is built to withstand multiple infantry firing at him. tanks are meant to last against a cfew forge gun hits not a dozen. same for heavys.... B But the fact is that people are using blaster tanks more than their actual suits Another fact is that the tanks are too flippin cheap... my proto suit is more expensive than a tank..... That shouldn't be the case. I wish heavies worked like Max suits. They figured out how to balance heavy type suits. Maybe CCP will learn to. For the Federation!

ads alt DROID EXILES General Tso's Alliance 95	Posted - 2014.03.07 21:37:00 - [21] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: Emo Skellington wrote: Delta 749 wrote: Absolutely nothing, I forget where the thread is but CPM has said CCP has no plans to do anything about it this patch Also I find it funny you got a hair across your ass when I said heavies shouldnt require multiple people to kill in another thread and you tried to justify it by saying they are walking tanks and need multiple people to kill As a matter of fact I even used the current state of tanks as an example of why thats terrible game design Gotta love when people catch you being a hypocrite My point being made though is a single person in a suit specifically designed to take out tanks (FORGE GUNNERS) shouldn't have to throw 10 forge charges into a tank and that mofo isn't dead. And again a heavy is built to withstand multiple infantry firing at him. tanks are meant to last against a cfew forge gun hits not a dozen. same for heavys.... B But the fact is that people are using blaster tanks more than their actual suits Another fact is that the tanks are too flippin cheap... my proto suit is more expensive than a tank..... That shouldn't be the case. I wish heavies worked like Max suits. They figured out how to balance heavy type suits. Maybe CCP will learn to. How were maxed balanced Explosives? HA! I have (if I played it)flak armor 5, and my 2 miniguns... If you expect patch notes soon, you're gunna have a bad time
Archbot W a r F o r g e d 68	Posted - 2014.03.07 21:55:00 - [22] - Quote As a tank driver I'll say this, something needs to be done about militia tanks, and the large turrets (in particular the blaster turret). There would hardly be a problem if you do something about militia tanks (decrease PG/CPU, health, increase cost, or just remove them completely). Most of the tanks I see are MLT. Blaster turrets are as effective against infantry as they are against vehicles, this shouldn't be the case. This one weapon alone defeats the purpose of having teammates supporting a tank, since it has such a versatile role. Tanks are also really cheap. I could lose my tank, and still have a somewhat decent income. An assault dropship is over twice as expensive than a tank. I believe there is a problem there. But, I do believe that infantry should not be able to solo a tank. That's ridiculous to think infantry should. I've died within a couple of seconds, with full health, because the other team used smart teamwork in taking me out. That's how it should be. Ya¦Åu-Å Å-ÅGèéGäîGä¦Gä¦Gä¦-ìY
ads alt DROID EXILES General Tso's Alliance 95	Posted - 2014.03.07 21:58:00 - [23] - Quote Archbot wrote: As a tank driver I'll say this, something needs to be done about militia tanks, and the large turrets (in particular the blaster turret). There would hardly be a problem if you do something about militia tanks (decrease PG/CPU, health, increase cost, or just remove them completely). Most of the tanks I see are MLT. Blaster turrets are as effective against infantry as they are against vehicles, this shouldn't be the case. This one weapon alone defeats the purpose of having teammates supporting a tank, since it has such a versatile role. Tanks are also really cheap. I could lose my tank, and still have a somewhat decent income. An assault dropship is over twice as expensive than a tank. I believe there is a problem there. But, I do believe that infantry should not be able to solo a tank. That's ridiculous to think infantry should. I've died within a couple of seconds, with full health, because the other team used smart teamwork in taking me out. That's how it should be. Swap the price of assault dropships, nerf blaster turrets Fixed, ads's are nowhere near as strong as mlt tanks, and cloaks and heavies in 1.8 will make them seem more balanced If you expect patch notes soon, you're gunna have a bad time
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 3018	Posted - 2014.03.07 22:03:00 - [24] - Quote I'll say this in as many tank threads as I have the patience for: The problem is that tanks are too fast. Slow them down so they can't just drive circles around the map and run to their redlines when they get shot at and everything would be fine. They really don't take that much to take out with proper AV, they are just so fast you can only get 1 or 2 shots on them before they're across the map and hiding under their MCC. Even with a proto-swarm, if the tank is driving straight at you by the time they are in range, you lock, and you fire, they're right on top of you. By the time you lock and fire the second shot they're out of range and usually around a corner. Sure, in real life, tanks are pretty fast. However, in a videogame it just doesn't make sense from a balance perspective for the most powerful weapon platform to also have the highest HP AND be faster than almost everything else on the field. Pick TWO CCP: DPS / eHP / Speed Giving them all 3 is just stupid.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 5407	Posted - 2014.03.07 22:04:00 - [25] - Quote Absolutely nothing whatsoever. lolPLC [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND


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