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BL4CKST4R
WarRavens
League of Infamy
1986
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Posted - 2014.03.07 12:08:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:While it having more DPS and range than the AR is annoying, there is another thing that is problematic.
It's damage profile.
Why does the combat rifle get -5% to shields and +10% to armor, instead of -10% to shields?
With the prof nerf and damage mods nerfed, this means that weapons like the SCR will have a problem chewing through armor.
RR will have a problem to chew through shields.
AR will have a problem to chew through armor. (Though not as much as SCR)
This means that when you reach the other damage type, you hit a brick wall.
But not with the Combat Rifle.
You take a very light hit in terms of damage, half of what the AR and RR get hit with, and 1/4th of what the SCR gets hit with.
I honestly thought the proficiency bonus would help the weak profile effectively cutting the old proficiency bonus in half. But this is just a whole new beast.
Like Arkena said in 1.8 dual tanking will again be the best viable fit, making shield suits the best again. Some weapons like the scrambler rifle are going to just destroy shields instantly like just f*** their day up and mass drivers vs armor doing 135% damage it's going to be brutal.
Then we have AV which is geared towards killing armor. That means a hardened/extended shield tank WILL be the best choice since the Swarm/forge just got a 15% damage nerf on shields while armor tanks are just going to be screwed over so hard.
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BL4CKST4R
WarRavens
League of Infamy
1986
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Posted - 2014.03.07 12:26:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote:We have not seen how the weapons function...
and considering the CR does half the DMG of other rifles
There is no way to make a call on how they will work
The CR is a rifle variant of the SMG
I think it's safe to say a weapon based on SMG
should have higher DPS than the other rifles
And you act like the range difference is huge...
It is barely noticeable between AR/CR
Neither of us have a right to argue this
As I am clearly biased towards CR
And your are biased towards AR
We need to wait til 1.8 and find out how they work
The AR has not under performed half as much as
what has been claimed on forum since 1.7
Some people fail to understand range in Dust 514
I will explain
AR DPS 375
|>>>>40M>>>>>|------65M-------|
ACR DPS 375
|>>>>> 50M>>>>>|--------75M--------|
At 0-40 meters the AR is matched in DPS they are on an equal footing meaning in a 1v1 scenario if range did not extend past 40 meters both weapons are on an equal and fair footing.
But this is not the case. Past 40 meters the AR loses 4.6% damage per meter. Meaning at 50 meters the AR does 172 DPS and the ACR does 375 meaning the ACR has an advantage over the AR at long range where as the AR has no advantage at long range or short range this is imbalance. Past that at its effective range the ACR does 112.5 DPS while the AR does no damage whatsoever.
Tl;dr
Long range weapons have a Damage advantage over short range weapons even though the numerical figures are the same. But at short range, short range weapons have NO advantage over long range weapons meaning that long range weapons are superior and can output more damage.
Tl;dr
Long range weapons do more damage than short range weapons.
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BL4CKST4R
WarRavens
League of Infamy
1988
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Posted - 2014.03.07 12:36:00 -
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Obodiah Garro wrote:the "it has higher range so it should have lower dps" argument is bullshit. This would only be true if all the weapons fired like the AR, absolutely perfect.
*SNIP*
So basically you are in agreement that a long range weapon SHOULD be superior to a short ranged weapon?
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BL4CKST4R
WarRavens
League of Infamy
1988
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Posted - 2014.03.07 12:39:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Obodiah Garro wrote:the "it has higher range so it should have lower dps" argument is bullshit. This would only be true if all the weapons fired like the AR, absolutely perfect. But the ACR fires perfectly like the AR 
If it fires a shot it fires fine really... The only weapons unaffected by this are mass drivers and flay locks but they have no range...
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BL4CKST4R
WarRavens
League of Infamy
1988
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Posted - 2014.03.07 12:45:00 -
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Master Smurf wrote:Dont cry for me SCR
- Charged shots have no issue with armor and have range on their side
Also the faster they tear through the first level of defense they can sink a few charged shots (if necessary) to finish off foes
RR
- Full auto from range will be just fine
The ACR wont be doing close to its full damage outside of its range.
This is all about the AR vs ACR so why not leave the other stuff out and tone down the hype subject. On this I have no argument as I think they need to change the AR to be better up close.
Until 1.8 where you charged shot is not affected by proficiency. Pre 1.8 your charged shot did close to normal damage with prof 5 and with damage mods you did normal to 10% more damage. In 1.8 you will do 20% less damage regardless.
Honestly CCP should either change the prof bonus to increase a perk of the weapon like reduced spool for the RR, rof for the AR, ammo for the CR etc. This would invalidate the damage nerf as necessary not screw over single tanking styles, normalize TTK, and still reward prof progression.
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