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Daddrobit PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 543	Posted - 2014.03.06 11:21:00 - [1] - Quote I'd like to put out a thread here from the EVE side of CCP. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3426047#post3426047 That was a thread on a balance pass that initially was just a blanket 15% buff to most of the shield reppers bar the deadspace variants, (that's like a super officer gear to you dust only players). It was almost immediately pointed out that this would make some of the modules completely outclassed and effectively useless. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3426788#post3426788 This disparity was noticed within a day of the original posting by a dev (yay Fozzie) and it was acknowledged by the dev that it would indeed make some modules useless by inferiority, and that further consideration on values needed to be done. And then within a week new values were posted. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3458903#post3458903 These new values did away with the blanket buff, and instead addressed each type in a manner so as to carefully place them to where they wouldn't be outmatched by other modules of the same meta level. That needs to be happening here desperately. Possibly the most notable extreme here mirroring the situation had in EVE was the nerf to assault rifles where you just took everything down by a blanket nerf of 11.8(7)%. I tried pointing this out in a thread here. After the nerf, the base DPS of a basic Assault rifle will be 375, which is roughly in line with the other assault weapons only varying by a few points up to 25 less than the ACR. The other assaults are quite well balanced between themselves After the nerf, the Breach AR will have a DPS of 300. That's 75 DPS less than it's brother, while being a harder to fit, and more expensive weapon. Let me make the disparity even more visible here. The prototype Breach assault rifle, the CreoDron, will only have a DPS of 330. The prototype varient, which is multiple times harder to fit and over 10 times as expensive, puts out less damage than the basic assault rifle. It at the prototype level puts out less damage than any other basic assault weapon in the game. In fact, the current DPS of the CreoDron is only 374. The current prototype variant puts out less DPS than the basic assault rifle after it's been nerfed. There is something desperately wrong here, and it needs to be looked at. Show us you're listening Shanghai. Re-asses some of these values.
Daddrobit PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 554	Posted - 2014.03.06 17:21:00 - [2] - Quote Bump for visibility.
Daddrobit PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 557	Posted - 2014.03.06 19:29:00 - [3] - Quote I can make this point even more clear if you want, I can compare it to the new assault sidearms coming out. The basic magsec will have a DPS of 355.5 and an optimal range greater than the breach starting out and only gets better. The basic bolt pistol will have a DPS of 540 and an optimal range greater than the breach starting out and only gets better. The prototype variant of the Breach AR will put out less DPS than both of the basic variants of the new assault based sidearms and will constantly be within their optimal to get the what you can out of the Breach. Shanghai, look at the numbers.
Daddrobit PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 561	Posted - 2014.03.07 17:18:00 - [4] - Quote So is there any chance of getting a blue tag response on weather or not they're willing to re-assess the numbers on weapons that are vastly underpowered for this next iteration or are they reserved for posts promising them beer and trolling about release dates?
Daddrobit PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 564	Posted - 2014.03.08 01:44:00 - [5] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Bumping for visibility and math. Also, I suggest you post on the feedback forums as well if you have not done so. Good idea. Posted a new thread on it in feedback reiterating everything here.
Daddrobit PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 564	Posted - 2014.03.08 02:18:00 - [6] - Quote Auris Lionesse wrote: What's acr dps? Like 500? ACR currently has a DPS of 440. It will be 400 after the patch.
Daddrobit PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 577	Posted - 2014.03.14 23:19:00 - [7] - Quote #SaveTheBreach

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