1.8 =1.03
For those of us that went through the MAG 1.03 patch, this new DUST 1.8 should be pretty familiar territory.

MAG community: Hey Zipper, your LMG is hilariously OP, can you tone that thing down a bit?
Zipper, sure, no problem, RANDOM BULLET SPREAD FOR ALL!!!!!
MAG Community: Wtf, we said tweak....the hell did you just do? What happened to the playerbase? Where is everyone?

514 Community: Hey CCP, that RR is waaaaay OP and the new CR could use a minor adjustment.
CCP: Cool, we'll just nerf EVERYTHING.
514 Community: Wtf? You even nerfed the breach assault rifle? You broke that in Chromosome. And you didn't nerf everything. What about shotguns and HMGs and Nova Knives?
CCP: Soooooooooooooooon
514 Community: Wait, what happened to the damage mods?
CCP: Nerfed em.
514 Community: WHY?
CCP: Increase the TTK?
514 Community:..what are you doing CCP?
CCP: We're trying to make it easier for the newer players
D514: Soooo, you're solution to this wholly imbalanced game you've created, ON PURPOSE mind you, is to hit everything with a nerf hammer in a way never seen before and turn what was supposed to be "an immerse experience unlike any other", into "lobby shooter piece of ****"? GG.


The Return of DDR514
Hey there players, can't shoot? Is aiming down sights too bothersome for you? Don't you wish you could just hipfire a bullet hose for the win?

Well boy does CCP have a new game for you! It's called Dance Dust Revolution...here's how you play:
1) Load in your favorite disco track, we recommend the Bee Gee's Stayin Alive.
2) See a red dot
3) just move left to right really fast and hold R1.
$) Whatever you do, don't try to aim, just keep on a strafing, even if you have to reload.
6) Hit detection? What hit detection? That was broken before we released DDR514 and with the increased TTK its virtually worthless.
7) Rinse, repeat, profit!!

Order now and we'll throw in a solid gold butterfly collar DS called the "Travolta"

Got the T-shirt
So now what happens? A few predictions:
1) Lower kill counts overall in games. Due to the SupernerfGäó (patent pending) guys will be able to dodge around corners more often, leading to less deaths, especially at range. On the plus side the game becomes a bit more ISK efficient for the "go negative all the time" crowd.
2) Lowered WP's earned will be a result of the above.
3) Proto stomp will still be proto stomp. Nothing has been done to change that
4) Where's the AV notes? Anything changing there? No? Figures
5) MD and Laser may become useful, I'll wait and see.
6) Prepare for Heavy Spam...oh, you hated this most recent event? Get used to it. Mind you, they won't eb OP, won't be able to hit anything with the new Strafe514 that will be implemented.
7) Say goodbye to all your glass cannon fits, we're back to EHP514. Guy with the most shields wins. Every time.
8) MAGSEC new FotM
9) Sniping now worthless with players dual tanking and damage mods being reduced. You know CCP you didn't do anyone any favors with this damage mod decrease, you really didn't. You just made it so that every goes back to using shield extenders again, which will compound the newer increased TTK with an exponent of 2. GG.
10) Reloading in the middle of 1v1 gunfights will become commonplace again.
11) The majority of the players on any kill board will have more assists than kills.

and last, but not least...
Playerbase will continue to die as this patch is going to **** off all the vets and will do nothing to help the newer players.
We will see an increase in the numbers for a week or two, then it will drop back to it's current levels and may actually dip below that .

Congrats CCP, way to kill your game. I thought I made this VERY clear 10 months ago here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=73582&find=unread
Yet, you still don't seem to get it.

I'll keep playing this piece of garbage, for free, as some of my clanmates play it and there's nothing else out there that intrigues me. Come on the Division, or...well, any other game at this point...maybe someday, just someday, a game developer will come along that isn't full of oblivious, inept, and complacent personnel....someone with the balls to actually follow through and deliver on their initial promise. CCP, you ain't it.

I wish I could report people for being mag players.

Dust is bad enough without dragging other awful games into the mix.
Were trying to make dust successful, not shut off because no one played.

1.8 =1.03
For those of us that went through the MAG 1.03 patch, this new DUST 1.8 should be pretty familiar territory.

MAG community: Hey Zipper, your LMG is hilariously OP, can you tone that thing down a bit?
Zipper, sure, no problem, RANDOM BULLET SPREAD FOR ALL!!!!!
MAG Community: Wtf, we said tweak....the hell did you just do? What happened to the playerbase? Where is everyone?

514 Community: Hey CCP, that RR is waaaaay OP and the new CR could use a minor adjustment.
CCP: Cool, we'll just nerf EVERYTHING.
514 Community: Wtf? You even nerfed the breach assault rifle? You broke that in Chromosome. And you didn't nerf everything. What about shotguns and HMGs and Nova Knives?
CCP: Soooooooooooooooon
514 Community: Wait, what happened to the damage mods?
CCP: Nerfed em.
514 Community: WHY?
CCP: Increase the TTK?
514 Community:..what are you doing CCP?
CCP: We're trying to make it easier for the newer players
D514: Soooo, you're solution to this wholly imbalanced game you've created, ON PURPOSE mind you, is to hit everything with a nerf hammer in a way never seen before and turn what was supposed to be "an immerse experience unlike any other", into "lobby shooter piece of ****"? GG.


The Return of DDR514
Hey there players, can't shoot? Is aiming down sights too bothersome for you? Don't you wish you could just hipfire a bullet hose for the win?

Well boy does CCP have a new game for you! It's called Dance Dust Revolution...here's how you play:
1) Load in your favorite disco track, we recommend the Bee Gee's Stayin Alive.
2) See a red dot
3) just move left to right really fast and hold R1.
$) Whatever you do, don't try to aim, just keep on a strafing, even if you have to reload.
6) Hit detection? What hit detection? That was broken before we released DDR514 and with the increased TTK its virtually worthless.
7) Rinse, repeat, profit!!

Order now and we'll throw in a solid gold butterfly collar DS called the "Travolta"

Got the T-shirt
So now what happens? A few predictions:
1) Lower kill counts overall in games. Due to the SupernerfGäó (patent pending) guys will be able to dodge around corners more often, leading to less deaths, especially at range. On the plus side the game becomes a bit more ISK efficient for the "go negative all the time" crowd.
2) Lowered WP's earned will be a result of the above.
3) Proto stomp will still be proto stomp. Nothing has been done to change that
4) Where's the AV notes? Anything changing there? No? Figures
5) MD and Laser may become useful, I'll wait and see.
6) Prepare for Heavy Spam...oh, you hated this most recent event? Get used to it. Mind you, they won't eb OP, won't be able to hit anything with the new Strafe514 that will be implemented.
7) Say goodbye to all your glass cannon fits, we're back to EHP514. Guy with the most shields wins. Every time.
8) MAGSEC new FotM
9) Sniping now worthless with players dual tanking and damage mods being reduced. You know CCP you didn't do anyone any favors with this damage mod decrease, you really didn't. You just made it so that every goes back to using shield extenders again, which will compound the newer increased TTK with an exponent of 2. GG.
10) Reloading in the middle of 1v1 gunfights will become commonplace again.
11) The majority of the players on any kill board will have more assists than kills.

and last, but not least...
Playerbase will continue to die as this patch is going to **** off all the vets and will do nothing to help the newer players.
We will see an increase in the numbers for a week or two, then it will drop back to it's current levels and may actually dip below that .

Congrats CCP, way to kill your game. I thought I made this VERY clear 10 months ago here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=73582&find=unread
Yet, you still don't seem to get it.

I'll keep playing this piece of garbage, for free, as some of my clanmates play it and there's nothing else out there that intrigues me. Come on the Division, or...well, any other game at this point...maybe someday, just someday, a game developer will come along that isn't full of oblivious, inept, and complacent personnel....someone with the balls to actually follow through and deliver on their initial promise. CCP, you ain't it.

You're from a closed beta corp, why are you complaining. Have you not seen this game progress.

You seem to confuse "Should have been in the game at the time of release(lol)" with "progress".

Sure, we've got new gear and suits to play with, the maps look better, and every couple of months there's a reason to come back and see what's happening...but there's a duality to it

CCP releases new shiny
Playerbase: YAY!!!!
After three weeks the players realize that new patch has (pick one) destroyed an entire class (Heavies), made a new FotM (SR, RR, Lasers, MD)
CCP gets out the nerf hammer and beats the game into submission
1/4 of the playerbase quits because they got nerfed
1/5th comes back to check out new patch

Rinse and repeat.

This is not "progress"...this is delayed bullshit. It's like CCP is sitting back there going "But....but you haven't even seen my final form yet". Some may argue we never will because they're always going to be changing things.

We have, as the DUST514 vets, reams and piles of historical, anecdotal, and empirical evidence that CCP straights fucks up the game every time they release new material. No, don't sugar coat it, they don't "introduce a new dynamic", or "create new possibilities", they **** it up....everytime. And then they nerf their **** up while....releasing MORE **** UPS.
It's the Circle of CCP's gaming life (que Elton John).

By now, if CCP had it's act together, we'd already have all the stuff that's coming later this month. And it would have already been nerfed.

PC is an absolute joke (lol lockout) and the promise of a "meta" to this game...just isn't there. This is an RPG first, FPS second...who's got time for dat?

Fact is DUST has gone too far off the reservation for the skills, gear, suits, weapons, and offers nothing but generic game play that you can find in any other shooter. Only difference is you need to get your personal spreadsheet skills up to 5 before you can understand it.

Might as well port the damn thing to PC and just get it off of PSN. It's failtime: Go

You are very opinionated about this game. It sounds like you hate it. why don't you just quit.

Yea mag servers are shut down, doesn't mean you have to spend you new free time to qq.

I have neverhad a problem with this game. I just adapted.

It seems like you specd into fotm or something. I don't know how some one could be affected majorly like you have unless you have. I mean seriously if someone has been affected in a major way from every update your playing the game wrong. You should just stop and leave. It might make this place better

514 Community: Wtf? You even nerfed the breach assault rifle? You broke that in Chromosome. And you didn't nerf everything. What about shotguns...and Nova Knives?

1.8 =1.03
For those of us that went through the MAG 1.03 patch, this new DUST 1.8 should be pretty familiar territory.

MAG community: Hey Zipper, your LMG is hilariously OP, can you tone that thing down a bit?
Zipper, sure, no problem, RANDOM BULLET SPREAD FOR ALL!!!!!
MAG Community: Wtf, we said tweak....the hell did you just do? What happened to the playerbase? Where is everyone?

514 Community: Hey CCP, that RR is waaaaay OP and the new CR could use a minor adjustment.
CCP: Cool, we'll just nerf EVERYTHING.
514 Community: Wtf? You even nerfed the breach assault rifle? You broke that in Chromosome. And you didn't nerf everything. What about shotguns and HMGs and Nova Knives?
CCP: Soooooooooooooooon
514 Community: Wait, what happened to the damage mods?
CCP: Nerfed em.
514 Community: WHY?
CCP: Increase the TTK?
514 Community:..what are you doing CCP?
CCP: We're trying to make it easier for the newer players
D514: Soooo, you're solution to this wholly imbalanced game you've created, ON PURPOSE mind you, is to hit everything with a nerf hammer in a way never seen before and turn what was supposed to be "an immerse experience unlike any other", into "lobby shooter piece of ****"? GG.


The Return of DDR514
Hey there players, can't shoot? Is aiming down sights too bothersome for you? Don't you wish you could just hipfire a bullet hose for the win?

Well boy does CCP have a new game for you! It's called Dance Dust Revolution...here's how you play:
1) Load in your favorite disco track, we recommend the Bee Gee's Stayin Alive.
2) See a red dot
3) just move left to right really fast and hold R1.
$) Whatever you do, don't try to aim, just keep on a strafing, even if you have to reload.
6) Hit detection? What hit detection? That was broken before we released DDR514 and with the increased TTK its virtually worthless.
7) Rinse, repeat, profit!!

Order now and we'll throw in a solid gold butterfly collar DS called the "Travolta"

Got the T-shirt
So now what happens? A few predictions:
1) Lower kill counts overall in games. Due to the SupernerfGäó (patent pending) guys will be able to dodge around corners more often, leading to less deaths, especially at range. On the plus side the game becomes a bit more ISK efficient for the "go negative all the time" crowd.
2) Lowered WP's earned will be a result of the above.
3) Proto stomp will still be proto stomp. Nothing has been done to change that
4) Where's the AV notes? Anything changing there? No? Figures
5) MD and Laser may become useful, I'll wait and see.
6) Prepare for Heavy Spam...oh, you hated this most recent event? Get used to it. Mind you, they won't eb OP, won't be able to hit anything with the new Strafe514 that will be implemented.
7) Say goodbye to all your glass cannon fits, we're back to EHP514. Guy with the most shields wins. Every time.
8) MAGSEC new FotM
9) Sniping now worthless with players dual tanking and damage mods being reduced. You know CCP you didn't do anyone any favors with this damage mod decrease, you really didn't. You just made it so that every goes back to using shield extenders again, which will compound the newer increased TTK with an exponent of 2. GG.
10) Reloading in the middle of 1v1 gunfights will become commonplace again.
11) The majority of the players on any kill board will have more assists than kills.

and last, but not least...
Playerbase will continue to die as this patch is going to **** off all the vets and will do nothing to help the newer players.
We will see an increase in the numbers for a week or two, then it will drop back to it's current levels and may actually dip below that .

Congrats CCP, way to kill your game. I thought I made this VERY clear 10 months ago here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=73582&find=unread
Yet, you still don't seem to get it.

I'll keep playing this piece of garbage, for free, as some of my clanmates play it and there's nothing else out there that intrigues me. Come on the Division, or...well, any other game at this point...maybe someday, just someday, a game developer will come along that isn't full of oblivious, inept, and complacent personnel....someone with the balls to actually follow through and deliver on their initial promise. CCP, you ain't it.

Yea no

With MAG 1.03 your bullets went everywhere except on target

In DUST your bullets go where you actually aim

I wasn't really referring to the mechanic so much as what it was in response to and the effect it will have on the player base. Thanks for playing.

You mean this playerbase:

http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust

Honestly, pretty much any changes can really only help.

+1 the next patch will be the end of dust. BatlleCry your post made me laugh lots . Im moving onto destiny if things are going to be as bad as everyone says. dust has gone down a steep hill for the past month after 8 good months...

Yeah, whats left of the Bunnies are looking at Destiny pretty hard right now, but we've been so disappointed with the last couple of attempts; Brink, DUST, GTA5O that we're really bitter and are not thrilled with the prospect of moving onto another game, especially since it means buying a new console.

And I wish people would just quit posting this link http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust without actually proving that they've read it.

The numbers are pretty deplorable, and dropping all the time. over a two week period 4000 accounts will either be made or "reborn"....yet lately the best the game can do is a little over 3K online at peak times. People are downloading a free game, playing it, and hating it. The numbers don't lie.

This isn't the PC crowd, this is PSN, there won't be a 10 year wait. MAG is the precursor to this game in a lot of ways, and I keep seeing similarities leading to the same inevitable conclusion; Dead Game is Dead Game.