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Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4855	Posted - 2014.03.06 01:28:00 - [1] - Quote Please heed my warning CCP. With the nerf to damage mods. Proficiency skills only applying to one damage type coupled with the explosion resistance as well as weapon resistances of the heavy suit you guys are grossly over buffing the heavy suit. CCP, do you understand what you're doing here? This is a recipe for disaster. Worse than any FoTM you've created so far. This is not an Exaggeration I know everything is pretty much set in stone as far as dropsuit changes go but to pad the blow of the invincible heavies you are introducing in 1.8 you guys need to drastically increase the price of heavy suits. Back in Codex Heavies cost about as much as the tanks costed back then. This needs to happen again unless you want this game to become nothing but heavies. Please, reevaluate the price of heavy dropsuits to fit the risk reward ratio of the suit, I'm begging you guys. Think about this please Sincerely Jarrad Glynn Kirk Post script: Yes this is posted in the Feedback section as well but this was to alert the community in General Discussions since there's far more traffic. If any of you have direct contacts with any of the DEVs please pass along this message. *1st Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole* -Title Awarded by True Adamance
Patrick57 5782	Posted - 2014.03.06 01:29:00 - [2] - Quote Approved.
Kaughst Nyain San Renegade Alliance 228	Posted - 2014.03.06 01:31:00 - [3] - Quote I bet we will see more heavies in 1.8 than in the entire heavy event. "That is not how you say my name." "How do you say your name?" "I don't know but that is not how you say it."
Takron Nistrom Tinfoil Hatz 250	Posted - 2014.03.06 01:31:00 - [4] - Quote I whole heartedly agree GÇ£Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)GÇ¥ GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
Everything Dies Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 579	Posted - 2014.03.06 01:35:00 - [5] - Quote shrugs As long as they'll be offering the Gallente heavy suit(s) in the loyalty store, I'll be okay. Think I'm sitting on about 30,000LP with them while I slowly, slowly whittle down the regular versions of my builds. Amazing how a proto build can go from almost 200,000 ISK down to about 45,000 when purchasing LP versions. "Trust and you'll be trusted," says the liar to the fool.
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 1944	Posted - 2014.03.06 01:38:00 - [6] - Quote +1, OP. MD/MSMG 514 Assault ak.0: 2x extender, 1x energiser, 2x regulator, 1x repper. Any advice?
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4856	Posted - 2014.03.06 01:40:00 - [7] - Quote Everything Dies wrote: shrugs As long as they'll be offering the Gallente heavy suit(s) in the loyalty store, I'll be okay. Think I'm sitting on about 30,000LP with them while I slowly, slowly whittle down the regular versions of my builds. Amazing how a proto build can go from almost 200,000 ISK down to about 45,000 when purchasing LP versions. This isn't something you just shrug your shoulders at. This is a serious matter that needs to be prevented. *1st Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole* -Title Awarded by True Adamance
Cyrus Grevare WarRavens League of Infamy 65	Posted - 2014.03.06 01:42:00 - [8] - Quote Was just in a match, with several good heavies (not even proto) on the opposing team, they had adequate support (not a lot) and they were MOWING things left and right, after they took the city, they went on wheels MOWING any sliver of resistance. Yes, we lost. Be afraid of the new breed of heavies. Edit: Yes, light weapon wielders were also there www.protofits.com - a fitting tool project
Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 524	Posted - 2014.03.06 01:43:00 - [9] - Quote Quick note that's important to mention, there are NO EXPLOSIVE RESISTS for heavies in 1.8. Heavies are getting a class bonus to splash damage resistance. That means a fully skilled heavy of any race will take 25% less damage from splash damage from a mass driver, for example, but a direct hit from the same mass driver will do full damage. DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
Crimson ShieId Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 187	Posted - 2014.03.06 01:43:00 - [10] - Quote ... I'll still take heavies over tanks... I can't Nova Knife tanks. Sometimes I miss never seeing tanks in a battle... then I remember the mystical flying soma, and I can't help but smile.

Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7255	Posted - 2014.03.06 01:44:00 - [11] - Quote Advanced heavies already cost more https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=146000&find=unread Mail me in game if interested in learning about the Amarr Empire and serving them in Faction Warfare. Amarr Victor!
thesupertman Better Hide R Die 138	Posted - 2014.03.06 01:49:00 - [12] - Quote Heavies should be feared.... But not too much! I think I'm the only person still waiting for mechs/giant robot killing machines..... dangCCPyourslowpickupthepace
Everything Dies Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 579	Posted - 2014.03.06 01:49:00 - [13] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Everything Dies wrote: shrugs As long as they'll be offering the Gallente heavy suit(s) in the loyalty store, I'll be okay. Think I'm sitting on about 30,000LP with them while I slowly, slowly whittle down the regular versions of my builds. Amazing how a proto build can go from almost 200,000 ISK down to about 45,000 when purchasing LP versions. This isn't something you just shrug your shoulders at. This is a serious matter that needs to be prevented. I understand, but by jacking up the price of the suit you're only going to be hurting poor/newer players that can't afford to use them--the ones that could probably benefit the most from the increased durability of the heavy suits. "Trust and you'll be trusted," says the liar to the fool.
Heinrich Jagerblitzen D3LTA FORC3 1602	Posted - 2014.03.06 01:50:00 - [14] - Quote Balancing by cost is usually folly. The most competitive matches in the game involve those with the isk resources to mitigate any attempt to balance with cost, so this really doesn't do anything to address the problem. The solution here is really simple: Instead of waiting several months to dial several balance knobs, balance work should consist of single knobs being dialed more frequently. The sooner CCP turns balancing into an iterative process using more conservative adjustments (with close attention feedback the entire way) the sooner we'll see less double and triple buffs/nerfs.
Kaughst Nyain San Renegade Alliance 229	Posted - 2014.03.06 01:52:00 - [15] - Quote Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote: Balancing by cost is usually folly. The most competitive matches in the game involve those with the isk resources to mitigate any attempt to balance with cost, so this really doesn't do anything to address the problem. The solution here is really simple: Instead of waiting several months to dial several balance knobs, balance work should consist of single knobs being dialed more frequently. The sooner CCP turns balancing into an iterative process using more conservative adjustments (with close attention feedback the entire way) the sooner we'll see less double and triple buffs/nerfs. How exactly has is that being implemented with regards to racial bonuses throughout the next 2 months. "That is not how you say my name." "How do you say your name?" "I don't know but that is not how you say it."
skippy678 The Phoenix Federation Proficiency V. 2449	Posted - 2014.03.06 01:54:00 - [16] - Quote Kigurosaka Laaksonen wrote: Quick note that's important to mention, there are NO EXPLOSIVE RESISTS for heavies in 1.8. Heavies are getting a class bonus to splash damage resistance. That means a fully skilled heavy of any race will take 25% less damage from splash damage from a mass driver, for example, but a direct hit from the same mass driver will do full damage. this isnt true...i saw a post by logibro that says a direct hit by a mass driver is still considered splash damage. Level 2 Forum Warrior
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1332	Posted - 2014.03.06 01:54:00 - [17] - Quote Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote: Balancing by cost is usually folly. The most competitive matches in the game involve those with the isk resources to mitigate any attempt to balance with cost, so this really doesn't do anything to address the problem. The solution here is really simple: Instead of waiting several months to dial several balance knobs, balance work should consist of single knobs being dialed more frequently. The sooner CCP turns balancing into an iterative process using more conservative adjustments (with close attention feedback the entire way) the sooner we'll see less double and triple buffs/nerfs. I have been calling/hoping/demanding/crying/giddly proclaiming for this kind of more systematic approach to balance for a long time now. CCP has tons of data about us and how each weapon/suit is playing out. If they make frequent small changes based upon this data it will make game balance so much easier for them in the long run. Fun > Realism
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4860	Posted - 2014.03.06 01:55:00 - [18] - Quote Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote: Balancing by cost is usually folly. The most competitive matches in the game involve those with the isk resources to mitigate any attempt to balance with cost, so this really doesn't do anything to address the problem. The solution here is really simple: Instead of waiting several months to dial several balance knobs, balance work should consist of single knobs being dialed more frequently. The sooner CCP turns balancing into an iterative process using more conservative adjustments (with close attention feedback the entire way) the sooner we'll see less double and triple buffs/nerfs. I know it's not a complete fix all. I'm sure I mentioned it in the post or at least hinted at it. You're familiar with this issues of militia tank spam we are dealing with currently? A primary cause of that is ridiculously low price of them at the moment. *1st Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole* -Title Awarded by True Adamance
Heinrich Jagerblitzen D3LTA FORC3 1606	Posted - 2014.03.06 01:59:00 - [19] - Quote Kaughst wrote: How exactly has is that being implemented with regards to racial bonuses throughout the next 2 months. I cannot guarantee that this will be the approach in the future, I'm only suggesting the way this should work ideally. All I can do is keep encouraging CCP to improve their process so we can avoid these situations.
21yrOld Knight Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 520	Posted - 2014.03.06 02:02:00 - [20] - Quote Damn this is a formal post. I agree with it though. Ralph Ellison was Right. Yes Suh.

Kim Jong Kim Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 16	Posted - 2014.03.06 02:03:00 - [21] - Quote Wrong section of the forums bro.
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 805	Posted - 2014.03.06 02:13:00 - [22] - Quote Agree 100% sarge, plus you didn't even mention the fact that the HMG was left off of the weapon nerfs. So another buffs for the Sentinels, its going to be sick with heavies in 1.8 unless CCP does something. They should: 1) Decrease the damage on HMG akin to the decrease the CR is getting 2) reduce the per level damage resistances to 2% or only give them resistance against 1 type instead of 2. I have the feeling they made up the new Sntinel bonuses first, then the weapon and damage mod nerfs, but then didn't go back to look at what they've done with the Sentinel bonuses. Typical sloppy CCP work. Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Vordred Knight Endless Hatred Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 23	Posted - 2014.03.06 02:18:00 - [23] - Quote soooo IM CALLIN IT HEAVY514!!!! its going to sad being the only one with an assault suit ashes to ashes dust to dust we are nothing but dust and to dust you shall return - Father Alexander Anderson
Vitharr Foebane Living Like Larry Schwag 721	Posted - 2014.03.06 02:21:00 - [24] - Quote I don't see a problem with heavies costing a bit more then the smaller suits due to more materials being required to build it. However it shouldn't be more then say 25-30ish % more Thanks CCP for making the HMG Heavy viable again :3 That's no excuse to slack off on releasing a heavy laser though =.=
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4862	Posted - 2014.03.06 02:23:00 - [25] - Quote Kim Jong Kim wrote: Wrong section of the forums bro. Actually read the post, bro. *1st Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole* -Title Awarded by True Adamance
Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 525	Posted - 2014.03.06 02:29:00 - [26] - Quote skippy678 wrote: Kigurosaka Laaksonen wrote: Quick note that's important to mention, there are NO EXPLOSIVE RESISTS for heavies in 1.8. Heavies are getting a class bonus to splash damage resistance. That means a fully skilled heavy of any race will take 25% less damage from splash damage from a mass driver, for example, but a direct hit from the same mass driver will do full damage. this isnt true...i saw a post by logibro that says a direct hit by a mass driver is still considered splash damage. When the Mass Driver has a stat called 'Direct Damage' and 'Splash Damage', I'm gonna need you to link that post. If a direct hit with a Mass Driver or any other direct/splash damage weapon is resisted by a Sentinel as splash damage, that's a major oversight and needs to be reworked. (Hint: The Mass Driver does have stats called 'Direct Damage' and 'Splash Damage', so you're gonna need to link that post.) DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
noobsniper the 2nd OLDSPICE. 227	Posted - 2014.03.06 02:30:00 - [27] - Quote please increase the price I don't wana play heavy514 for 2months just call me communist space king noob MAG vet raven ftw
Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 525	Posted - 2014.03.06 02:31:00 - [28] - Quote Vordred Knight wrote: soooo IM CALLIN IT HEAVY514!!!! its going to sad being the only one with an assault suit I'll be playing heavies quite a bit because they're new and I want a chance to get my hands on them. Nothing more, nothing less. Actually, I'll spend most of my time with the Caldari Sentinel, Commando, and Scout, (because they're 'new', but should have been in game since the beginning) but I'll give all the new stuff a good long try. DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.


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