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Logi Bro Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 2969	Posted - 2014.03.05 22:04:00 - [1] - Quote WTF did you do to damage mods, CCP? Facerolgjnwierungsklgnwpeiunds;nire Hold on. takes a deep breath Alright, I'd really appreciate it if someone out there that supported this nerf would explain this to me. What was wrong with damage mods? Mathematically speaking extenders were always better, now extenders are probably 20x better, though I haven't taken the time to do the math yet. The problem with damage stacking was proficiency, and you guys over at CCP (sort of) fixed that, so why the damage mod hate? If I were in your place, I would've just made proficiency give 1% per level, and reduce the skill cost by a couple of multipliers. A 50% cut to a module that was already outclassed? Overkill. And don't forget that rifles were nerfed, so the 10% that people are getting now would've still been less than the 10% they would be getting post 1.8. So that makes it a double nerf. And also, TTK is increasing, so extenders would've been more appealing than damage mods anyways. So that makes it a triple nerf? And to top if off, even if damage mods really were too powerful, why make a massive 50% cut? Why not start with 20%? 3%-->4%-->8%, then you could have gone farther if it were still too much. Since devs are usually prowling the forums after a dev blog release, I'd appreciate it if one of you would give a response to this. H M G
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 2571	Posted - 2014.03.05 22:07:00 - [2] - Quote The eve players whined they were dying to fast and couldnt bunny hop away so here we are This hurts Av much much much more though I'll start my own war, with hookers, and blackjack! In fact forget the war and the blackjack.
darkiller240 WarRavens League of Infamy 524	Posted - 2014.03.05 22:07:00 - [3] - Quote Its so shield tankers don't get raped by amour tankers as it is now "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein
Delta90212 Dust2Dust. Top Men. 325	Posted - 2014.03.05 22:07:00 - [4] - Quote Out of all people you were the one to complain about damage mods. Why I thought you were a true logibro Fear The Tribes // In Rust We Trust // Standings Minmatar 6 // Minmatar Logibro //
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 3120	Posted - 2014.03.05 22:08:00 - [5] - Quote darkiller240 wrote: Its so shield tankers don't get raped by amour tankers as it is now ^^^ // Lance Commander // Matari Logistics / Scout / Pilot // @ReesNoturana
Logi Bro Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 2971	Posted - 2014.03.05 22:12:00 - [6] - Quote Delta90212 wrote: Out of all people you were the one to complain about damage mods. Why I thought you were a true logibro I've never said anything against damage mods. I'm not even a logibro, I changed out to sentinel a long time ago. To anyone that supports this damage mod nerf, take a moment to actually think. Shield extenders ARE better, make no mistake, especially after 1.8 hits. The only thing people will be using in their highs are shield modules. With lower TTK AND dual tanking mixed, the game will slow to a crawl. I support lower TTK, but nobody wants it to take 5 minutes to finish one gunfight. H M G
Kaughst Nyain San Renegade Alliance 228	Posted - 2014.03.05 22:12:00 - [7] - Quote I think now that the damage situation has been dealt with there needs to be a way to make amor/shields on viable to certain racial frames. I.E the armor and shield base HP is increased with Amarr, armor plates have a increased movement penalty with gallente only able to overcome it. Shield extenders having a penalty like they do now except caldari are not penalized. And I guess I would think of something for the minmatar but I have no idea heh... "That is not how you say my name." "How do you say your name?" "I don't know but that is not how you say it."
Logi Bro Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 2971	Posted - 2014.03.05 22:15:00 - [8] - Quote darkiller240 wrote: Its so shield tankers don't get raped by amour tankers as it is now This does nothing at all to help shield tankers. I could kill a shield tanker by looking at him funny, with a -100% damage module equipped, as well. Armor tankers will still be armed bricks, and shield tankers will still be the mentally challenged people that hold paper in front of their faces to stop bullets. H M G
C Saunders Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 515	Posted - 2014.03.05 22:16:00 - [9] - Quote With longer TTK shield rechargers/regulators may be useful again. // Fully Speced Mass Driver Expert // Closed Beta Vet // Tech Guards Sexy Beast //
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1220	Posted - 2014.03.05 22:20:00 - [10] - Quote damage mods may increase by a lesser precentage now BUT they are more benificial in 1.8 proficiancy got nerfed so that it only boosts on type damage. and damage mods are now the other source of off type damage increase in the game (except commandos) basically damage mods are now the only way to mitigate your weapons natural weaknesses, making them more important even if less powerful.

CRNWLLC Screwy Rabbit ULC 82	Posted - 2014.03.05 22:21:00 - [11] - Quote Yeah, this is lame. I just got complex damage mods in order to increase OHKs while sniping, and now this. They help, but they're not a game changer. But with all the talk of dual tanking and the improvements to shield regulators, etc., snipers are getting uber-nerfed. Folks complain about how useless snipers are now--imagine if they can only score half as many kills as normal due to this ~~damage mod~~/YAY TANKING! change. Any word on changes to SRs? My other dropsuit is a Python.
Logi Bro Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 2974	Posted - 2014.03.05 22:23:00 - [12] - Quote C Saunders wrote: With longer TTK shield rechargers/regulators may be useful again. Which is exactly why armor tankers will be putting those in their high slots instead of damage mods. H M G
Ansiiis The Trustworthy Mocking Bird Inc. 741	Posted - 2014.03.05 22:25:00 - [13] - Quote You see... No one understands. I am the LAW!
steadyhand amarr TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 2463	Posted - 2014.03.05 22:26:00 - [14] - Quote deal with it damage mods where a huge part of the problem. patch day is going to have some QQ and i cant wait, looking foreword to getting into a squad and wiping out all the bads blindly rushing about "i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers
NextDark Knight Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 247	Posted - 2014.03.05 22:27:00 - [15] - Quote CCP is trying to get rid of the slayer logi.. but really CCP.. you just need to add a reload penalty per equipment fitted logi suits. Forge Changes needed Officer Splash 3.0, Proto 2.7 Advanced 2.5 Standard 2.1. Original ROF needs to return!
Auris Lionesse Capital Acquisitions LLC Renegade Alliance 332	Posted - 2014.03.05 22:27:00 - [16] - Quote Because 10% damage buff is too much when there's no passive shield/armor resistance mods or inherent suit resistances. When an amarr suit can resistance tank his armor to 50% resistance they'll have a place at 10%
Icarus DelSol BIG BAD W0LVES 29	Posted - 2014.03.05 22:30:00 - [17] - Quote Logi Bro wrote: Delta90212 wrote: Out of all people you were the one to complain about damage mods. Why I thought you were a true logibro I've never said anything against damage mods. I'm not even a logibro, I changed out to sentinel a long time ago. To anyone that supports this damage mod nerf, take a moment to actually think. Shield extenders ARE better, make no mistake, especially after 1.8 hits. The only thing people will be using in their highs are shield modules. With lower TTK AND dual tanking mixed, the game will slow to a crawl. I support lower TTK, but nobody wants it to take 5 minutes to finish one gunfight. I've quit using damage mods mostly even in this build. I've just found for my play style (non-slayer logi) they aren't as helpful as extenders or even precisions enhancers (or is it range amps? whatever, you get the point). Anyhow, I think this will force us to bring two guns on a target. 1v1 will take significantly more time, but two cloaked scouts will murder. Heavies will murder. A pack of assaults will murder. Logis will not. Lone assaults will not. Snipers will not :) Roles are becoming more important, as are thoughtful fittings and group tactics. I think fortification will become more important, as will coordinated assaults. I think people will spend more time looking to fill their squad with people who fit specific roles. No longer will it be enough to just grab a bunch of randoms on a Wednesday night, you'll have to find yourself a heavy and a minmatar logi. Add a scout and a couple of assaults. Maybe swap the min logi for a gal logi if you keep getting into games with gal scouts. This is why I'm hoping they reduce the SP cost to get into racial suits a little. I think with all of the variation and all of the specialization it would be really nice if you could proto out two suits instead of 1 for 10 mil isk. I've been really bored since 1.7 dropped. I'm totally excited for 1.8. There will be things to adjust, and of course the first week is going to feel horrible, but I'm hopeful. It sounds like things are going in a good direction. My only real concern now is AV, but I think they'll be more open to balancing that out once they have a few weeks of gameplay data after the drop.
Logi Bro Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 2976	Posted - 2014.03.05 22:33:00 - [18] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: deal with it damage mods where a huge part of the problem. patch day is going to have some QQ and i cant wait, looking foreword to getting into a squad and wiping out all the bads blindly rushing about Good luck trying to wipe out people that have stacked massive amounts of shields because damage mods are now more or less too inefficient to use. H M G
COVERT SUBTERFUGE PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 541	Posted - 2014.03.05 22:36:00 - [19] - Quote Logi Bro wrote: Delta90212 wrote: Out of all people you were the one to complain about damage mods. Why I thought you were a true logibro I've never said anything against damage mods. I'm not even a logibro, I changed out to sentinel a long time ago. To anyone that supports this damage mod nerf, take a moment to actually think. Shield extenders ARE better, make no mistake, especially after 1.8 hits. The only thing people will be using in their highs are shield modules. With lower TTK AND dual tanking mixed, the game will slow to a crawl. I support lower TTK, but nobody wants it to take 5 minutes to finish one gunfight. Then a flux + my combat rifle will do me well. A few extra shield mods isn't going to stop 1200 shield damage...unless I've done my math wrong. Proud Minmatar scout - Republic Merc 6/10 Immune to bitter/jaded vet syndrome Roll with the punches instead of QQing
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1544	Posted - 2014.03.05 22:44:00 - [20] - Quote As an AR user I like any opportunity to tear through shields, as a Gallente though I guess it's either brick tanking, passive scanning, 5-10 percent damage increase. I like bringing shields back, but I hate making brick tanking so viable. Ion pistol in 1.8? Really, is that it? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.

CLONE117 True Pros Forever 713	Posted - 2014.03.05 22:49:00 - [21] - Quote ttk was short due to stacked dmg mods. profenciency for some guns could have used some tweaking. but looking at how long it took to kill some1 with a mlt ar on an alt out of academy. its gonna take over 3 clips in 1.8.
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 650	Posted - 2014.03.05 23:01:00 - [22] - Quote Logi Bro wrote: darkiller240 wrote: Its so shield tankers don't get raped by amour tankers as it is now This does nothing at all to help shield tankers. I could kill a shield tanker by looking at him funny, with a -100% damage module equipped, as well. Armor tankers will still be armed bricks, and shield tankers will still be the mentally challenged people that hold paper in front of their faces to stop bullets. It's kind of interesting how you came to that conclusion. And YES shield tankers will be of more value now because weapon specialization only improves damage against Shield OR Armor, there are a few weapons that still have both, but they are far between. If armor tankers are geared to hurt other armor tankers they'll have a problem with Shield users, and if geared for shield, they'll have a problem with Armor users. CLONE117 wrote: ttk was short due to stacked dmg mods. profenciency for some guns could have used some tweaking. but looking at how long it took to kill some1 with a mlt ar on an alt out of academy. its gonna take over 3 clips in 1.8. If you're an idiot, yes. Otherwise MLT is quite the kicker. In case the hint missed you, I mostly use Militia and Standard gear + core skills. If you can read this, it means you are reading. Unless you are skimming
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 1333	Posted - 2014.03.05 23:02:00 - [23] - Quote stopped them from being op'd as a mofo?
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1447	Posted - 2014.03.05 23:05:00 - [24] - Quote This is like a simpler alternative to adding ammo types to the game. I'd prefer ammo types but whatever would further allow weapon types to do more damage to particular fits over others than just an across the board damage increase. Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!
Atiim 5326	Posted - 2014.03.05 23:16:00 - [25] - Quote Delta90212 wrote: Out of all people you were the one to complain about damage mods. Why I thought you were a true logibro He's a BigBro now. The Little Mermaid Of The War Room. [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
DTOracle BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 232	Posted - 2014.03.05 23:17:00 - [26] - Quote Shield extenders are currently useless, compared to DMG mods in the hi slots. I run a Adv scout most of the time. & my most successful fits are stacked dmg mods w/ plates on the lows. This should not be my most successful fit, but it is. I whole heartedly welcome this change, as it encourages more variety in fitting. Put the crutch down, it's time for some physical therapy
Arx Ardashir Imperium Aeternum 637	Posted - 2014.03.05 23:23:00 - [27] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: The eve players whined they were dying to fast and couldnt bunny hop away so here we are This hurts Av much much much more though Are you seriously saying that EVE players are the ones who bunny hop? Now is the winter of our non-content. Ghosts Chance's hero for 3/1/14.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1855	Posted - 2014.03.05 23:29:00 - [28] - Quote Arx Ardashir wrote: Delta 749 wrote: The eve players whined they were dying to fast and couldnt bunny hop away so here we are This hurts Av much much much more though Are you seriously saying that EVE players are the ones who bunny hop? They don't have a good reason so they jump on the EVE is killing DUST band wagon. Just trying to make up a reason because they don't know the real reason. Until CCP releases some graph **** to explain why they changed what they changed then everything we say is just us speculating why they did it. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
Piercing Serenity Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 568	Posted - 2014.03.05 23:29:00 - [29] - Quote @Logi Bro I feel like you are ignoring the counters to high shields. For example - One flux will wipe out all shields, regardless of tier or who throws the grenade - M1 (possibly) and Core (surely) locus grenades will still eat through all shields, save for heavy and commando - Laser Rifles and ScR's will eat through shields etc. Secondly, it doesn't seem like your considering the different ways that people can counter brick tanked suits - "ScR / SMG / Locus" for Shield tanked suits - "CR / ScP / Flux" for Shields - "Laser / MD / Any" for either situation (Commando) etc. My guess is that there is going to be a shift from people using the same light weapon / sidearm for every engagement, and put more emphasis on bringing multiple different weapons to a fight. That is to say, I think players will do less of "Start every fight with my CR, switch to sidearm if necessary". Instead, they will be rewarded more for thinking "I'll open up with my ScP, then hit his armor with CR". If players can do the above, especially taking the new proficiency stats into account, TTK increases won't be a worry for those who try to plan ahead for their engagements DUST 514 BETA VET 16.2M Lifetime SP SH4T --> PFBHz --> PFB --> SH4T --> Fatal
Vicious Minotaur Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 705	Posted - 2014.03.05 23:29:00 - [30] - Quote I have no problem with Damage mods being nerfed. I do, however, have a problem with the puny amount of mods that high slots offer. C'mon, give us resistance mods and shtuff, CCP.



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