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Roy Ventus Axis of Chaos 1257	Posted - 2014.03.05 18:49:00 - [1] - Quote Roy Ventus wrote: The AR master in me wants to say, "HEY that 4 point decrease in damage is hurting me." But then I go and check the stats and realize... The RR just received a huge nerf. Standard goes from 55 to 47, and the Kalaakotiota goes from 60.1 to 51.7. The Combat Rifle goes from 32 pts of damage to 27 with the Boundless going from 35.2 to 29.7. The Scrambler Rifle gets punched down from 72 to 65 while the Viziam is 79.2 to 71.5 MEANWHILE. THE ASSAULT RIFLE GETS NERFED BY 4 PTS. OMG THE INSANITY. Really, I think people are just flipping out because that's what they're the best at. The variants of the AR are pretty much the same as before. Some liked where the variants were at, others don't. Imo, I could've dealt with less of a nerf on the tactical but we'll see how well it does in 1.8. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
Roy Ventus Axis of Chaos 1257	Posted - 2014.03.05 18:53:00 - [2] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Roy Ventus wrote: Roy Ventus wrote: The AR master in me wants to say, "HEY that 4 point decrease in damage is hurting me." But then I go and check the stats and realize... The RR just received a huge nerf. Standard goes from 55 to 47, and the Kalaakotiota goes from 60.1 to 51.7. The Combat Rifle goes from 32 pts of damage to 27 with the Boundless going from 35.2 to 29.7. The Scrambler Rifle gets punched down from 72 to 65 while the Viziam is 79.2 to 71.5 MEANWHILE. THE ASSAULT RIFLE GETS NERFED BY 4 PTS. OMG THE INSANITY. Really, I think people are just flipping out because that's what they're the best at. The variants of the AR are pretty much the same as before. Some liked where the variants were at, others don't. Imo, I could've dealt with less of a nerf on the tactical but we'll see how well it does in 1.8. Do you even math bro? Hmm? Yeah. The AR is nerfed by 4 dmg pts compared to: 8 pts for the RR 7 for the ScR 5 for the CR Of course as they go up in tier, they gain decimals but Hell the highest the AR goes to is -4.4 at Prototype "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
Roy Ventus Axis of Chaos 1257	Posted - 2014.03.05 19:00:00 - [3] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Roy Ventus wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: Do you even math bro? Hmm? Yeah. The AR is nerfed by 4 dmg pts compared to: 8 pts for the RR 7 for the ScR 5 for the CR Of course as they go up in tier, they gain decimals but Hell the highest the AR goes to is -4.4 at Prototype Wow. Please don't ever work with numbers. ._. Don't **** with me man. I'm being up front with you, please be up front with me. What's the issue? "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
Roy Ventus Axis of Chaos 1257	Posted - 2014.03.05 19:04:00 - [4] - Quote Harpyja wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: The damage reduction to the Rail & Combat rifles is roughly proportional to that of the AR & ScR. Seriously CCP did you really think this would fly? We've known the new rifles are OP for months now, and we were told they were getting a nerf. A net nerf to a whole group of weapons is not what we wanted to hear. So you were either too dim to tell that we didn't want an AR nerf, or you deliberately deceived us. If you notice the %s on the chart, you'll see that the combat and rail rifles are getting nerfed the hardest with losing around 15% damage while plasma and scrambler rifles only lose about 10%. Is what I'm saying. I'm doing simple calculations and comparing them. There's a smaller damage gap in all of them compared to the AR except the CR, which has a wider damage gap(because the CR's damage was always below the AR now it's a good -3 points below the standard AR, which is essentially one point of a difference from the current standards). "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
Roy Ventus Axis of Chaos 1257	Posted - 2014.03.05 19:05:00 - [5] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Roy Ventus wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: Roy Ventus wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: Do you even math bro? Hmm? Yeah. The AR is nerfed by 4 dmg pts compared to: 8 pts for the RR 7 for the ScR 5 for the CR Of course as they go up in tier, they gain decimals but Hell the highest the AR goes to is -4.4 at Prototype Wow. Please don't ever work with numbers. ._. Don't **** with me man. I'm being up front with you, please be up front with me. What's the issue? Do you even percentage, bro? Nope. Nope I don't. Now tell me what's the error here. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
Roy Ventus Axis of Chaos 1257	Posted - 2014.03.05 19:19:00 - [6] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Roy Ventus wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Roy Ventus wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: Wow. Please don't ever work with numbers. ._. Don't **** with me man. I'm being up front with you, please be up front with me. What's the issue? Do you even percentage, bro? Nope. Nope I don't. Now tell me what's the error here. If a 1200 damage forge gun got a nerf of 10pts. Would that be a greater, or lesser nerf than what the AR is receiving? You...Don't make sense. Answering your question first, no. 10 pts of a nerf for a 1200 damage weapon wouldn't matter. The Rail Rifle and CR are different from the Forge Gun because they're closer to the AR in damage. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
Roy Ventus Axis of Chaos 1257	Posted - 2014.03.05 19:36:00 - [7] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Roy Ventus wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Roy Ventus wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: Wow. Please don't ever work with numbers. ._. Don't **** with me man. I'm being up front with you, please be up front with me. What's the issue? Do you even percentage, bro? Nope. Nope I don't. Now tell me what's the error here. Just in case you're not trolling... ScR has more than double the damage per shot of the AR. Thus, a 7 point (around 10%) decrease for the ScR has a smaller impact on its effectiveness than a 4 point (around 12%) decrease does for the AR. Telling me "Do you percentage bro" didn't help me understand that you were referring to this exactly... Anyways. The ScR isn't an automatic weapon like the RR or AR. It's a high alpha damage weapon that overheats. The AR is a rapid fire weapon that doesn't have the same drastic overheating issue and a recoil that can be controlled easily. You can only nerf it so much before it stops being efficient. If you nerf it with the same percentage as the AR's nerf, it wouldn't do anything. Any worse of a nerf and it becomes much more viable to use the RR in it's place. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
Roy Ventus Axis of Chaos 1257	Posted - 2014.03.05 19:41:00 - [8] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Roy Ventus wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: Roy Ventus wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Do you even percentage, bro? Nope. Nope I don't. Now tell me what's the error here. If a 1200 damage forge gun got a nerf of 10pts. Would that be a greater, or lesser nerf than what the AR is receiving? You...Don't make sense. Answering your question first, no. 10 pts of a nerf for a 1200 damage weapon wouldn't matter. The Rail Rifle and CR are different from the Forge Gun because they're closer to the AR in damage. Holy crap man there's no hope for you. ._. You used a bullshit example instead of giving me actual numbers and an explanation...Don't be snarky when you're not even trying to back up your claim. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
Roy Ventus Axis of Chaos 1258	Posted - 2014.03.05 19:52:00 - [9] - Quote >Asks for proper explanation >Gets a snarky reply If you don't like me disagreeing with you, just say it. What you're saying doesn't make sense. The AR got nerf less than the RR and the CR. I mean, sure after looking back at it and having someone explain it to me, the ScR took less of a hit than the RR and CR but anymore of a nerf for that weapon in particular and it'll be majorly useless. It's a high alpha damage weapon. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
Roy Ventus Axis of Chaos 1258	Posted - 2014.03.05 20:01:00 - [10] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Roy Ventus wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Roy Ventus wrote: [quote=Ryme Intrinseca] Nope. Nope I don't. Now tell me what's the error here. Just in case you're not trolling... ScR has more than double the damage per shot of the AR. Thus, a 7 point (around 10%) decrease for the ScR has a smaller impact on its effectiveness than a 4 point (around 12%) decrease does for the AR. Telling me "Do you percentage bro" didn't help me understand that you were referring to this exactly... Anyways. The ScR isn't an automatic weapon like the RR or AR. It's a high alpha damage weapon that overheats. The AR is a rapid fire weapon that doesn't have the same drastic overheating issue and a recoil that can be controlled easily. You can only nerf it so much before it stops being efficient. If you nerf it with the same percentage as the AR's nerf, it wouldn't do anything. Any worse of a nerf and it becomes much more viable to use the RR in it's place. I assumed you'd know which percentages we're talking about given they're right here here in this table, which is probably where you got the damage decrease numbers from. But sorry if that assumption was incorrect. You make a reasonable point about the ScR overheat becoming more of an issue with a damage decrease. But there's a similar issue with the AR - a damage nerf means you effectively get to the end of the clip sooner. That's not really a limiting factor for the ScR as there's a massive amount of damage in the clip. The basic point is that the AR is nowhere near competitive with the RR or CR, and gaining 3% damage relative to them isn't going to change that. The ScR is closer to being a competitive weapon so it's hard to see why the AR is getting nerfed harder. o-O It was but I didn't look at the percentages much. 30-34 isn't that much of a difference for the AR when everyone else gets a nerf. I mean, looking at the damage pts for the other rifles and looking at how I've been playing with the AR up until now, it really doesn't matter. And honestly. What would you consider the right amount of nerf(or buff) for the AR to be competitive with the current nerfs for the other rifles? "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus

Roy Ventus Axis of Chaos 1304	Posted - 2014.03.10 16:29:00 - [11] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Roy Ventus wrote: ._. Don't **** with me man. I'm being up front with you, please be up front with me. What's the issue? I love that attitude. We need more of that on the forums. I try. At the end of the day I don't hold grudges with players and just try to be upfront with them. Kinda hard when all you get are people trying to show off, not directed at the OP, or act like their the best thing smoking in this small community. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus

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