DUST Search - 1.8 brings no changes to fitting meta

Awry Barux wrote:

Marc Rime wrote:

What is the "fitting meta"

? Every now and then (on these forums) I see the word "meta" used in a context where it makes no sense -- to me that is, does the word carry some meaning I'm not familiar with? Anyone mind enlightening me? ;)

To me, meta refers to way in which other peoples' selections of gear affects your selection. For me, the term originates from MTG tournaments- having a great deck is important, but more important is knowing what sort of decks your opponents are running and building yours appropriately. Basically, it's picking rock, paper, or scissors, depending on whether scissors, rock, or paper is most common on the field. But, if too many people start building to counter some FoTM option, the FoTM is suddenly no longer the FoTM, and the "meta" shifts again. That's why it's meta-game.

In 1.8, with proficiency changes and heavily nerfed damage mods, there's no viable rock to the scissors of dual tanking. Everything else is just going to be paper in comparison. Ideally, IMO, it should be stealth beats glass-cannon which beats super-tanked which beats stealth. We're finally getting the stealth in the form of cloaks- CCP should have just left the glass-cannon option. Ideally they should add range or ROF modules to low slots so that we can build true glass cannon fits.

Joseph Ridgeson wrote:

Caldari Logis are the go to now? Weird, I only see Gallente Logistics as the current Flavor of the Month when on the field. Haven't seen a bumblebee in a while.

I still see Cal Logis as the most common proto suit. It's true that Gal Logis are superior for damage mod stacking, but I still see a preference for the inherent regen available to Cal Logis. In any case, Cal was FoTM for much longer than Gal has been, and it's about to go straight back to Cal. 9 slots is just too damn many.

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Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 1411	Posted - 2014.03.05 18:19:00 - [1] - Quote Increased TTK + weapon proficiency changes + nerfed damage mods mean only one thing: dual tanking is still the best way to fit suits and Cal Logis are still the master race. ............................................________ ....................................,.-'"...................``~., .............................,.-"..................................."-., .........................,/...............................................":, .....................,?......................................................, .................../...........................................................,} ................./......................................................,:`^`..} .............../...................................................,:"........./ ..............?.....__.........................................:`.........../ ............./__.(....."~-,_..............................,:`........../ .........../(_...."~,_........"~,_....................,:`........_/ ..........{.._$;_......"=,_......."-,_.......,.-~-,},.~";/....} ...........((.....~_......."=-._......";,,./`..../"............../ ...,,,___.`~,......"~.,....................`.....}............../ ............(....`=-,,.......`........................(......;_,,-" ............/.`~,......`-...................................../ .............`~.-,.....................................\|,./.....,__ ,,_..........}.>-._...................................\|..............`=~-, .....`=~-,__......`,................................. ...................`=~-,,.,............................... ................................`:,,...........................`..............__ .....................................`=-,...................,%`>--==`` ........................................_..........._,-%.......` ..................................., Respec in 1.8 due to huge battlefield role shift for MinLogi! All my posts are respec posts (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ LockmeBro!
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 10425	Posted - 2014.03.05 18:33:00 - [2] - Quote If you are not dual tanking in 1.8, you are doing it wrong. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Derpty Derp It's All Gone Derp 92	Posted - 2014.03.05 18:35:00 - [3] - Quote I'll start using damage mods in 1.8 then.
noobsniper the 2nd OLDSPICE. 224	Posted - 2014.03.05 19:02:00 - [4] - Quote Ha duel tank im gunna run biotics and scan mods #hipster just call me scumbag noob MAG vet raven ftw
Marc Rime 302	Posted - 2014.03.07 20:18:00 - [5] - Quote What is the "fitting meta" ? Every now and then (on these forums) I see the word "meta" used in a context where it makes no sense -- to me that is, does the word carry some meaning I'm not familiar with? Anyone mind enlightening me? ;)
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1992	Posted - 2014.03.07 20:29:00 - [6] - Quote Marc Rime wrote: What is the "fitting meta" ? Every now and then (on these forums) I see the word "meta" used in a context where it makes no sense -- to me that is, does the word carry some meaning I'm not familiar with? Anyone mind enlightening me? ;) In this scenario meta means the most optimal way to play the game without going outside the boundaries of it, those being cheating like turbo fire etc, therefore using a cal logi which is the best dual tanked suit 4/5 does not go beyond the "rules" of the game. By using this suit you optimize your tank of a medium suit to its max while remaining powerful in offense. For the Federation!
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2240	Posted - 2014.03.07 20:31:00 - [7] - Quote It actually reduces it, really. Swapping out 1 extender for a damage mod used to make sense depending on the weapon. Now it never does. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1992	Posted - 2014.03.07 20:35:00 - [8] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: If you are not dual tanking in 1.8, you are doing it wrong. In 1.8 a prof 5 Proto rail does 497 DPS that wipes a max tanked Gallente suit in less than two seconds. The new prof bonus is just as bad as the old one because it punishes pure tankers just as much as the old one did. For the Federation!
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 2617	Posted - 2014.03.07 20:43:00 - [9] - Quote Marc Rime wrote: What is the "fitting meta" ? Every now and then (on these forums) I see the word "meta" used in a context where it makes no sense -- to me that is, does the word carry some meaning I'm not familiar with? Anyone mind enlightening me? ;) Gotta love how some people play so much EVE they forget that meta game encompasses so much more than they use it for I'll start my own war, with hookers, and blackjack! In fact forget the war and the blackjack.
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens League of Infamy 680	Posted - 2014.03.07 20:45:00 - [10] - Quote Caldari Logis are the go to now? Weird, I only see Gallente Logistics as the current Flavor of the Month when on the field. Haven't seen a bumblebee in a while.

knight of 6 SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1568	Posted - 2014.03.07 20:45:00 - [11] - Quote scout fitting meta will get screwed up a bit... GÇ£Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for I am dampened.GÇ¥ Ko6 scout,
Waiyu Ren Seeker of The Path 41	Posted - 2014.03.07 20:57:00 - [12] - Quote Am i the only person that thinks Damage mods and Shield Extenders are now equally viable options? If only because Damage mods were a "No Brainer", and Shield Extenders were "UP" in comparison? Shouting doesn't make your opinion seem more valid, it just makes you seem more annoying.
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 844	Posted - 2014.03.07 21:03:00 - [13] - Quote I think the biggest change to "fitting meta" is the proficiency change and that it makes the "omni" guys that dabble in a little bit of everything a tad more viable. If you are going up against a bunch of people using Caldari stuff you'll bust out the ScR gallente a RR and so on. Yes everyone is going to be dual tanking (LOL for once I'm ahead of the curve) but really only Amarr suits and Min logi can truly dual tank. A gallente assault can put all shield extenders in his highs but he is still going to be more armor than sheild tanked. Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 1489	Posted - 2014.03.07 21:05:00 - [14] - Quote Marc Rime wrote: What is the "fitting meta" ? Every now and then (on these forums) I see the word "meta" used in a context where it makes no sense -- to me that is, does the word carry some meaning I'm not familiar with? Anyone mind enlightening me? ;) To me, meta refers to way in which other peoples' selections of gear affects your selection. For me, the term originates from MTG tournaments- having a great deck is important, but more important is knowing what sort of decks your opponents are running and building yours appropriately. Basically, it's picking rock, paper, or scissors, depending on whether scissors, rock, or paper is most common on the field. But, if too many people start building to counter some FoTM option, the FoTM is suddenly no longer the FoTM, and the "meta" shifts again. That's why it's meta-game. In 1.8, with proficiency changes and heavily nerfed damage mods, there's no viable rock to the scissors of dual tanking. Everything else is just going to be paper in comparison. Ideally, IMO, it should be stealth beats glass-cannon which beats super-tanked which beats stealth. Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Caldari Logis are the go to now? Weird, I only see Gallente Logistics as the current Flavor of the Month when on the field. Haven't seen a bumblebee in a while. I still see Cal Logis as the most common proto suit. It's true that Gal Logis are superior for damage mod stacking, but I still see a preference for the inherent regen available to Cal Logis. In any case, Cal was FoTM for much longer than Gal has been, and it's about to go straight back to Cal. Respec in 1.8 due to huge battlefield role shift for MinLogi! All my posts are respec posts (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ LockmeBro!
Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 1489	Posted - 2014.03.07 21:11:00 - [15] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: I think the biggest change to "fitting meta" is the proficiency change and that it makes the "omni" guys that dabble in a little bit of everything a tad more viable. If you are going up against a bunch of people using Caldari stuff you'll bust out the ScR gallente a RR and so on. Yes everyone is going to be dual tanking (LOL for once I'm ahead of the curve) but really only Amarr suits and Min logi can truly dual tank. A gallente assault can put all shield extenders in his highs but he is still going to be more armor than sheild tanked. Cal Logi has been and always will be the best dual tanker. Low base armor is easily compensated for with plates, while high base shields are much harder for other races to beat with modules. Plus, there's the fact that they simply have more module slots than any other suit. Respec in 1.8 due to huge battlefield role shift for MinLogi! All my posts are respec posts (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ LockmeBro!
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 844	Posted - 2014.03.07 21:14:00 - [16] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: Zahle Undt wrote: I think the biggest change to "fitting meta" is the proficiency change and that it makes the "omni" guys that dabble in a little bit of everything a tad more viable. If you are going up against a bunch of people using Caldari stuff you'll bust out the ScR gallente a RR and so on. Yes everyone is going to be dual tanking (LOL for once I'm ahead of the curve) but really only Amarr suits and Min logi can truly dual tank. A gallente assault can put all shield extenders in his highs but he is still going to be more armor than sheild tanked. Cal Logi has been and always will be the best dual tanker. Low base armor is easily compensated for with plates, while high base shields are much harder for other races to beat with modules. Plus, there's the fact that they simply have more module slots than any other suit. I alway forget about Cal logi. I understand mathematically why they have 9 slots, but CCP should have just been consistant like they are with all other suits and made the cal logi the mirror image of Gal logi 5 highs 3 lows and 4 equipment at proto Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 1489	Posted - 2014.03.07 21:17:00 - [17] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: Awry Barux wrote: Zahle Undt wrote: I think the biggest change to "fitting meta" is the proficiency change and that it makes the "omni" guys that dabble in a little bit of everything a tad more viable. If you are going up against a bunch of people using Caldari stuff you'll bust out the ScR gallente a RR and so on. Yes everyone is going to be dual tanking (LOL for once I'm ahead of the curve) but really only Amarr suits and Min logi can truly dual tank. A gallente assault can put all shield extenders in his highs but he is still going to be more armor than sheild tanked. Cal Logi has been and always will be the best dual tanker. Low base armor is easily compensated for with plates, while high base shields are much harder for other races to beat with modules. Plus, there's the fact that they simply have more module slots than any other suit. I alway forget about Cal logi. I understand mathematically why they have 9 slots, but CCP should have just been consistant like they are with all other suits and made the cal logi the mirror image of Gal logi 5 highs 3 lows and 4 equipment at proto IMO they should just be the shield version of the Amarr Logi- sidearm, 4H 3L 3E. Boom, they're still combat logis, they just can't stack stupid amounts of EHP any more. Bonus- the removal of intrinsic reps means nothing to them because they're getting a fat nanohive resupply bonus, which also applies to armor repair- which means they're looking at nearly 100HP/s from Wiyrkomi hives. Respec in 1.8 due to huge battlefield role shift for MinLogi! All my posts are respec posts (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ LockmeBro!
ads alt DROID EXILES General Tso's Alliance 90	Posted - 2014.03.07 21:21:00 - [18] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: Increased TTK + weapon proficiency changes + nerfed damage mods mean only one thing: dual tanking is still the best way to fit suits and Cal Logis are still the master race. ............................................________ ....................................,.-'"...................``~., .............................,.-"..................................."-., .........................,/...............................................":, .....................,?......................................................, .................../...........................................................,} ................./......................................................,:`^`..} .............../...................................................,:"........./ ..............?.....__.........................................:`.........../ ............./__.(....."~-,_..............................,:`........../ .........../(_...."~,_........"~,_....................,:`........_/ ..........{.._$;_......"=,_......."-,_.......,.-~-,},.~";/....} ...........((.....~_......."=-._......";,,./`..../"............../ ...,,,___.`~,......"~.,....................`.....}............../ ............(....`=-,,.......`........................(......;_,,-" ............/.`~,......`-...................................../ .............`~.-,.....................................\|,./.....,__ ,,_..........}.>-._...................................\|..............`=~-, .....`=~-,__......`,................................. ...................`=~-,,.,............................... ................................`:,,...........................`..............__ .....................................`=-,...................,%`>--==`` ........................................_..........._,-%.......` ..................................., if you dont dual tank... If you expect patch notes soon, you're gunna have a bad time
Marc Rime 303	Posted - 2014.03.07 21:27:00 - [19] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: Marc Rime wrote: What is the "fitting meta" ? Every now and then (on these forums) I see the word "meta" used in a context where it makes no sense -- to me that is, does the word carry some meaning I'm not familiar with? Anyone mind enlightening me? ;) To me, meta refers to way in which other peoples' selections of gear affects your selection. For me, the term originates from MTG tournaments- having a great deck is important, but more important is knowing what sort of decks your opponents are running and building yours appropriately. Basically, it's picking rock, paper, or scissors, depending on whether scissors, rock, or paper is most common on the field. But, if too many people start building to counter some FoTM option, the FoTM is suddenly no longer the FoTM, and the "meta" shifts again. That's why it's meta-game. I see, so it wasn't some new meaning, but simply a difference in perception that got me confused. I view what you describe as a fundamental part of the game, but I guess it can be seen as an abstraction or higher level or whatnot ;). Thanks.
Marc Rime 303	Posted - 2014.03.07 21:34:00 - [20] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: Marc Rime wrote: What is the "fitting meta" ? Every now and then (on these forums) I see the word "meta" used in a context where it makes no sense -- to me that is, does the word carry some meaning I'm not familiar with? Anyone mind enlightening me? ;) Gotta love how some people play so much EVE they forget that meta game encompasses so much more than they use it for Gotta love how some people don't realize that not everything has to derive from a video/computer game community.

Kaughst Nyain San Renegade Alliance 240	Posted - 2014.03.07 22:05:00 - [21] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: Marc Rime wrote: What is the "fitting meta" ? Every now and then (on these forums) I see the word "meta" used in a context where it makes no sense -- to me that is, does the word carry some meaning I'm not familiar with? Anyone mind enlightening me? ;) To me, meta refers to way in which other peoples' selections of gear affects your selection. For me, the term originates from MTG tournaments- having a great deck is important, but more important is knowing what sort of decks your opponents are running and building yours appropriately. Basically, it's picking rock, paper, or scissors, depending on whether scissors, rock, or paper is most common on the field. But, if too many people start building to counter some FoTM option, the FoTM is suddenly no longer the FoTM, and the "meta" shifts again. That's why it's meta-game. In 1.8, with proficiency changes and heavily nerfed damage mods, there's no viable rock to the scissors of dual tanking. Everything else is just going to be paper in comparison. Ideally, IMO, it should be stealth beats glass-cannon which beats super-tanked which beats stealth. We're finally getting the stealth in the form of cloaks- CCP should have just left the glass-cannon option. Ideally they should add range or ROF modules to low slots so that we can build true glass cannon fits. Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Caldari Logis are the go to now? Weird, I only see Gallente Logistics as the current Flavor of the Month when on the field. Haven't seen a bumblebee in a while. I still see Cal Logis as the most common proto suit. It's true that Gal Logis are superior for damage mod stacking, but I still see a preference for the inherent regen available to Cal Logis. In any case, Cal was FoTM for much longer than Gal has been, and it's about to go straight back to Cal. 9 slots is just too damn many. Than you don't balance that by letting modules act outside of their damage profile and enable having nearly every suit do so, that compounds more problems. Simply making it less attractive for a suit to fit a tank opposite it's racial HP/letting it have better bonuses for fitting it's innate HP and letting suits that do dual tank have a easier time fitting both modules but not by as much/as little depending on the race. "That is not how you say my name." "How do you say your name?" "I don't know but that is not how you say it."
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 847	Posted - 2014.03.07 22:08:00 - [22] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: Zahle Undt wrote: Awry Barux wrote: Zahle Undt wrote: I think the biggest change to "fitting meta" is the proficiency change and that it makes the "omni" guys that dabble in a little bit of everything a tad more viable. If you are going up against a bunch of people using Caldari stuff you'll bust out the ScR gallente a RR and so on. Yes everyone is going to be dual tanking (LOL for once I'm ahead of the curve) but really only Amarr suits and Min logi can truly dual tank. A gallente assault can put all shield extenders in his highs but he is still going to be more armor than sheild tanked. Cal Logi has been and always will be the best dual tanker. Low base armor is easily compensated for with plates, while high base shields are much harder for other races to beat with modules. Plus, there's the fact that they simply have more module slots than any other suit. I alway forget about Cal logi. I understand mathematically why they have 9 slots, but CCP should have just been consistant like they are with all other suits and made the cal logi the mirror image of Gal logi 5 highs 3 lows and 4 equipment at proto IMO they should just be the shield version of the Amarr Logi- sidearm, 4H 3L 3E. Boom, they're still combat logis, they just can't stack stupid amounts of EHP any more. Bonus- the removal of intrinsic reps means nothing to them because they're getting a fat nanohive resupply bonus, which also applies to armor repair- which means they're looking at nearly 100HP/s from Wiyrkomi hives. That makes a ton of sense especially with their nanohive bonus Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Disturbingly Bored Forum Warfare 1968	Posted - 2014.03.07 22:46:00 - [23] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: In 1.8 a prof 5 Proto rail does 497 DPS that wipes a max tanked Gallente suit in less than two seconds. The new prof bonus is just as bad as the old one because it punishes pure tankers just as much as the old one did. Out of curiosity: did I miss some essential information somewhere? Do we how the percentage that proficiency gives to primary damage type now, or is that still speculation? I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - *draconian forum overlord* CCP Logibro]
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 1506	Posted - 2014.03.07 22:49:00 - [24] - Quote I smell truth in the air. Smells foul.
Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 1496	Posted - 2014.03.07 22:52:00 - [25] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: In 1.8 a prof 5 Proto rail does 497 DPS that wipes a max tanked Gallente suit in less than two seconds. The new prof bonus is just as bad as the old one because it punishes pure tankers just as much as the old one did. Out of curiosity: did I miss some essential information somewhere? Do we how the percentage that proficiency gives to primary damage type now, or is that still speculation? It doesn't ultimately matter- the effect is the same. Whether dual-tanking is 1% or 5% or 15% or 25% better, it's still the best, and that's what counts. Respec in 1.8 due to huge battlefield role shift for MinLogi! All my posts are respec posts (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ LockmeBro!
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7225	Posted - 2014.03.07 22:56:00 - [26] - Quote Ahem... dual tanking will still not save you from my knives. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 1497	Posted - 2014.03.07 23:20:00 - [27] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Ahem... dual tanking will still not save you from my knives. As much as I love knifing (which is a lot), they'll never be truly viable as long as backpedaling is as effective as it is. Uncloak -> charge knives still leaves enough time for a rifle user to bunny hop, turn, and backpedal + spray until the poor scout goes down. TTK increases and cloak won't rescue knives from EZMode514, especially with the MD buff incoming. Of course, I'm still going scout in 1.8, because FoTM is boring. Respec in 1.8 due to huge battlefield role shift for MinLogi! All my posts are respec posts (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ LockmeBro!
Ander Thedas Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 339	Posted - 2014.03.07 23:25:00 - [28] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: Marc Rime wrote: What is the "fitting meta" ? Every now and then (on these forums) I see the word "meta" used in a context where it makes no sense -- to me that is, does the word carry some meaning I'm not familiar with? Anyone mind enlightening me? ;) In this scenario meta means the most optimal way to play the game without going outside the boundaries of it, those being cheating like turbo fire etc, therefore using a cal logi which is the best dual tanked suit 4/5 does not go beyond the "rules" of the game. By using this suit you optimize your tank of a medium suit to its max while remaining powerful in offense. That's actually the OPPOSITE of the word meta. Meta literally means "beyond." Meta-gaming is when you play the game outside the game. For example complaining on the forums until the changes you want made in the game are made is an example of actual meta gaming. Getting your friend to cut your opponents cable line the night of a PC match would also be a good example of meta-gaming. Anything you can do in the game and the game alone is simply "gaming" but the word "meta" has come to replace "trend" and it honestly makes no sense. FW lvl10 reward Mobile Redlines Default FWRace
Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 1498	Posted - 2014.03.08 00:18:00 - [29] - Quote Ander Thedas wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: Marc Rime wrote: What is the "fitting meta" ? Every now and then (on these forums) I see the word "meta" used in a context where it makes no sense -- to me that is, does the word carry some meaning I'm not familiar with? Anyone mind enlightening me? ;) In this scenario meta means the most optimal way to play the game without going outside the boundaries of it, those being cheating like turbo fire etc, therefore using a cal logi which is the best dual tanked suit 4/5 does not go beyond the "rules" of the game. By using this suit you optimize your tank of a medium suit to its max while remaining powerful in offense. That's actually the OPPOSITE of the word meta. Meta literally means "beyond." Meta-gaming is when you play the game outside the game. For example complaining on the forums until the changes you want made in the game are made is an example of actual meta gaming. Getting your friend to cut your opponents cable line the night of a PC match would also be a good example of meta-gaming. Anything you can do in the game and the game alone is simply "gaming" but the word "meta" has come to replace "trend" and it honestly makes no sense. There's also a game beyond the straight standard game mechanics but within the game system overall, which is what I'm referring to. There is a meta-game involving the fitting system- presently, it has settled on maximum EHP/DPS, and shows no sign of shifting with 1.8. GTFO with your linguistic prescriptivism. Respec in 1.8 due to huge battlefield role shift for MinLogi! All my posts are respec posts (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ LockmeBro!
Altina McAlterson Pure Innocence. EoN. 908	Posted - 2014.03.08 01:07:00 - [30] - Quote Marc Rime wrote: What is the "fitting meta" ? Every now and then (on these forums) I see the word "meta" used in a context where it makes no sense -- to me that is, does the word carry some meaning I'm not familiar with? Anyone mind enlightening me? ;) Don't worry. I don't think it makes sense in this context either. Fitting your suit if pretty much the opposite of the meta game as it exists completely within the standard game mechanics. Crunching numbers to find the best fit is not the meta game. A famous example of the "meta game" is when you find a newish corp that wants to move to NULL and needs to haul a substantial amount of materials out their new home. So you join the corp/befriend them while adopting a ** poor (but hilarious) Eastern European accent so as to conceal your true identity. Then after several months when they are ready for the big move you have managed to be the one trusted to actually do the hauling. Then everybody heads out to their brand new home in NULL. Only you never show up with all their stuff. You get on corp chat with your real voice and inform them that you have taken everything they have and it's yours now and they can kindly off. They cry sweet tears of sorrow and in their fits of rage they yell that they'll report you or get their revenge one day or how you're a total piece of ** for doing that them or it just isn't fair. But you don't hear any of this because the stolen assets of an entire corporation you have in your trunk is making too much noise. And also after you do all that you release the recordings of the whole thing onto the internet and a great LOL is had by all. Running a blaster tank in ambush is like bringing Anthrax to a pillow fight.



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