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BL4CKST4R
WarRavens
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2014.03.05 11:17:00 -
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Nice Dev blog but...
Mag sec SMG DPS = 355
Assault rifle DPS= 375 ( are you increasing the rof?)
This right here means the Magsec is OP as he'll
Ion pistol DPS = 277 and yet it remains a steaming pile of... shortest range and the lowest DPS??? How is this balanced because of the charged shot? If that's the case nerf the scrambler to be like this gun.
Rail rifle DPS = 365 LOL REALLY THAT'S IT??? Congratulations rail rifle users your gun remains OP still.
SMG DPS = 350 outclassed by the Magsec in range and DPS :)
As for those proficiency bonus it's bad enough that the majority of ALL usable weapons are made to kill armor now every single one of those weapons are going to bend us over just a little bit further.
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Orenji Jiji
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Posted - 2014.03.05 11:41:00 -
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Have you seen new ranges?
Me neither.
SL dumbfire, DS bumpercars, Scout beast-mode. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time.. to die.
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BL4CKST4R
WarRavens
League of Infamy
1958
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Posted - 2014.03.05 11:43:00 -
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Orenji Jiji wrote:Have you seen new ranges?
Me neither.
If CCP didn't bother changing the side arms then they probably didn't bother changing the ranges. Regardless the ranges are fine it's the DPS profile that's broken.
For the Federation!
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mollerz
2590
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Posted - 2014.03.05 11:43:00 -
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And the NerfLock continues.
The flaylock got 0 adjustments.
You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
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Ryme Intrinseca
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
830
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Posted - 2014.03.05 11:46:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:Nice Dev blog but...
Mag sec SMG DPS = 355 this weapon should be the lowest DPS of all the automatic weapons.
Assault rifle DPS= 375 this gun should have 20% or more higher DPS than the rail rifle it is a short range weapons and should act as such a high DPS shredder not a short range downgrade of the rail rifle.
This right here means the Magsec is OP as hell sacrifice a tiny amount of DPS to have a portable assault rifle that costs less in ISK and fittings.
Ion pistol DPS = 277 and yet it remains a steaming pile of... shortest range and the lowest DPS??? How is this balanced because of the charged shot? If that's the case nerf the scrambler to be like this gun. Of course not that would make that gun garbage also... buff this gun to be below the Scrambler pistol and remove the cool down...
Rail rifle DPS = 365 LOL REALLY THAT'S IT??? Congratulations rail rifle users your gun remains OP still.
SMG DPS = 350 outclassed by the Magsec in range and DPS :) good job
As for those proficiency bonus it's bad enough that the majority of ALL usable weapons are made to kill armor now every single one of those weapons are going to bend us over just a little bit further. The proficiency bonus should affect the weapon damage profile not the strong one.
I've said this so much SHORT RANGE WEAPONS CANNOT HAVE LOWER DPS THAN LONG RANGE WEAPONS AND A 2.7% DPS DIFFERENCE VS A 40% RANGE DIFFERENCE IS NOT ENOUGH!!!!!
You make some good points. The only proviso I'd add is that they MAY have decreased the magsec DPS from the previous values - they don't mention magsec DPS in the new blog. If they haven't changed it then, yeah, it's ridiculously OP.
As for nerfing the AR that much, what the hell are they thinking? The only people using it at the moment are newbs straight out of the academy who don't have much choice in the matter... |
RINON114
B.S.A.A.
General Tso's Alliance
529
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Posted - 2014.03.05 11:46:00 -
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The dev blog has pissed me off just a bit too, with the AR still being a pile of **** compared to the rail rifle. Oh and let's not mention the already ****** AR variants like the TAC, breach and burst getting the same nerf as everything else.
Leave the AR as it is and change the rest, then there will be balance. |
DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
4492
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Posted - 2014.03.05 11:49:00 -
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Here! Here!
Taco Cat backwards is still Taco Cat
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mollerz
2590
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Posted - 2014.03.05 11:54:00 -
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I'm actually looking forward to the extreme shift in combat tactics about to take place. This game basically just got reinvented.
OP weapons aka FOTM is nothing new, so I am not really concerned with it. Let's see how it shakes out in the hands of the players.
You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1823
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Posted - 2014.03.05 11:59:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:Nice Dev blog but...
Mag sec SMG DPS = 355 this weapon should be the lowest DPS of all the automatic weapons.
Assault rifle DPS= 375 this gun should have 20% or more higher DPS than the rail rifle it is a short range weapons and should act as such a high DPS shredder not a short range downgrade of the rail rifle.
This right here means the Magsec is OP as hell sacrifice a tiny amount of DPS to have a portable assault rifle that costs less in ISK and fittings.
Ion pistol DPS = 277 and yet it remains a steaming pile of... shortest range and the lowest DPS??? How is this balanced because of the charged shot? If that's the case nerf the scrambler to be like this gun. Of course not that would make that gun garbage also... buff this gun to be below the Scrambler pistol and remove the cool down...
Rail rifle DPS = 365 LOL REALLY THAT'S IT??? Congratulations rail rifle users your gun remains OP still.
SMG DPS = 350 outclassed by the Magsec in range and DPS :) good job
As for those proficiency bonus it's bad enough that the majority of ALL usable weapons are made to kill armor now every single one of those weapons are going to bend us over just a little bit further. The proficiency bonus should affect the weak weapon damage profile not the strong one.
I've said this so much SHORT RANGE WEAPONS CANNOT HAVE LOWER DPS THAN LONG RANGE WEAPONS AND A 2.7% DPS DIFFERENCE VS A 40% RANGE DIFFERENCE IS NOT ENOUGH!!!!!
Let me tell you how it will go. CCP will release the notes, the ilk of the forums will tell them they are stupid and should be fired, the forum warriors will do math and tell everyone what the OP and UP gear is and then tell CCP that they suck and don't understand anything.
TOLD YOU
"You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus."
Raoul Duke
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BL4CKST4R
WarRavens
League of Infamy
1959
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Posted - 2014.03.05 12:00:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:Nice Dev blog but...
Mag sec SMG DPS = 355 this weapon should be the lowest DPS of all the automatic weapons.
Assault rifle DPS= 375 this gun should have 20% or more higher DPS than the rail rifle it is a short range weapons and should act as such a high DPS shredder not a short range downgrade of the rail rifle.
This right here means the Magsec is OP as hell sacrifice a tiny amount of DPS to have a portable assault rifle that costs less in ISK and fittings.
Ion pistol DPS = 277 and yet it remains a steaming pile of... shortest range and the lowest DPS??? How is this balanced because of the charged shot? If that's the case nerf the scrambler to be like this gun. Of course not that would make that gun garbage also... buff this gun to be below the Scrambler pistol and remove the cool down...
Rail rifle DPS = 365 LOL REALLY THAT'S IT??? Congratulations rail rifle users your gun remains OP still.
SMG DPS = 350 outclassed by the Magsec in range and DPS :) good job
As for those proficiency bonus it's bad enough that the majority of ALL usable weapons are made to kill armor now every single one of those weapons are going to bend us over just a little bit further. The proficiency bonus should affect the weak weapon damage profile not the strong one.
I've said this so much SHORT RANGE WEAPONS CANNOT HAVE LOWER DPS THAN LONG RANGE WEAPONS AND A 2.7% DPS DIFFERENCE VS A 40% RANGE DIFFERENCE IS NOT ENOUGH!!!!! Let me tell you how it will go. CCP will release the notes, the ilk of the forums will tell them they are stupid and should be fired, the forum warriors will do math and tell everyone what the OP and UP gear is and then tell CCP that they suck and don't understand anything. TOLD YOU
And then comes people who say have patience and trust CCP then comes the day of patch and everything predicted is 100% true
For the Federation!
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Alternate Insano
SUICIDE SPITE SQUAD
225
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Posted - 2014.03.05 12:05:00 -
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You didn't honestly believe it would be right?
You know, after a year of them getting it wrong?
DUST 514 Super Scrub
Level 262 Forum Troll
Play, or play not. There is no balance.
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Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
Legacy Rising
2510
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Posted - 2014.03.05 12:06:00 -
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Yeah, I'm gonna have to throw my AR in the garbage, I'd really like my prof back since everyone armour tanks their shield suits anyway. Not to mention AV granades getting further nerfed.
Seems like I'm going Sentinel/commando in 1.8
At least my shotgun doesn't seem to be nerfed...oh god! What have I done!?
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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mollerz
2592
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Posted - 2014.03.05 12:16:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:Let me tell you how it will go. CCP will release the notes, the ilk of the forums will tell them they are stupid and should be fired, the forum warriors will do math and tell everyone what the OP and UP gear is and then tell CCP that they suck and don't understand anything. TOLD YOU
As someone who invests in the stock market, by and large your posts are extremely passive aggressive and rely on picking out past occurrences as set behaviors. You'd be the type to base stock purchases and sales based on charts. Reliance on that gives you an unconscious padding on future performance based on the illusion of predicting the future based on hindsight observations.
Sorry.. it's just so obvious to me and it's typical that you'd be unaware that you were stuck in that mindset trap.
Carry on as you will.
You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1824
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Posted - 2014.03.05 12:18:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:Nice Dev blog but...
Mag sec SMG DPS = 355 this weapon should be the lowest DPS of all the automatic weapons.
Assault rifle DPS= 375 this gun should have 20% or more higher DPS than the rail rifle it is a short range weapons and should act as such a high DPS shredder not a short range downgrade of the rail rifle.
This right here means the Magsec is OP as hell sacrifice a tiny amount of DPS to have a portable assault rifle that costs less in ISK and fittings.
Ion pistol DPS = 277 and yet it remains a steaming pile of... shortest range and the lowest DPS??? How is this balanced because of the charged shot? If that's the case nerf the scrambler to be like this gun. Of course not that would make that gun garbage also... buff this gun to be below the Scrambler pistol and remove the cool down...
Rail rifle DPS = 365 LOL REALLY THAT'S IT??? Congratulations rail rifle users your gun remains OP still.
SMG DPS = 350 outclassed by the Magsec in range and DPS :) good job
As for those proficiency bonus it's bad enough that the majority of ALL usable weapons are made to kill armor now every single one of those weapons are going to bend us over just a little bit further. The proficiency bonus should affect the weak weapon damage profile not the strong one.
I've said this so much SHORT RANGE WEAPONS CANNOT HAVE LOWER DPS THAN LONG RANGE WEAPONS AND A 2.7% DPS DIFFERENCE VS A 40% RANGE DIFFERENCE IS NOT ENOUGH!!!!! Let me tell you how it will go. CCP will release the notes, the ilk of the forums will tell them they are stupid and should be fired, the forum warriors will do math and tell everyone what the OP and UP gear is and then tell CCP that they suck and don't understand anything. TOLD YOU And then comes people who say have patience and trust CCP then comes the day of patch and everything predicted is 100% true
Then why are you surprised. It is how it goes every time. I say have patience before getting notes and I don't remember ever saying to trust CCP. I have said that they won't break their pattern but I don't think I have ever said trust them. I am not saying that it isn't OP or UP I am just saying that this game is as predictable as a clock. It has happened every time and why would it change now?
"You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus."
Raoul Duke
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Fluffy Exterminatus
The Southern Legion
League of Infamy
0
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Posted - 2014.03.05 12:52:00 -
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mollerz wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:Let me tell you how it will go. CCP will release the notes, the ilk of the forums will tell them they are stupid and should be fired, the forum warriors will do math and tell everyone what the OP and UP gear is and then tell CCP that they suck and don't understand anything. TOLD YOU As someone who invests in the stock market, by and large your posts are extremely passive aggressive and rely on picking out past occurrences as set behaviors. You'd be the type to base stock purchases and sales based on charts. Reliance on that gives you an unconscious padding on future performance based on the illusion of predicting the future based on hindsight observations. Sorry.. it's just so obvious to me and it's typical that you'd be unaware that you were stuck in that mindset trap. Carry on as you will.
Says the scrub whinging about the flaylock
I tankGÇÜ therefore i am,
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Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service
RISE of LEGION
641
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Posted - 2014.03.05 13:01:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:Nice Dev blog but...
Mag sec SMG DPS = 355 this weapon should be the lowest DPS of all the automatic weapons.
Assault rifle DPS= 375 this gun should have 20% or more higher DPS than the rail rifle it is a short range weapons and should act as such a high DPS shredder not a short range downgrade of the rail rifle.
This right here means the Magsec is OP as hell sacrifice a tiny amount of DPS to have a portable assault rifle that costs less in ISK and fittings.
Ion pistol DPS = 277 and yet it remains a steaming pile of... shortest range and the lowest DPS??? How is this balanced because of the charged shot? If that's the case nerf the scrambler to be like this gun. Of course not that would make that gun garbage also... buff this gun to be below the Scrambler pistol and remove the cool down...
Rail rifle DPS = 365 LOL REALLY THAT'S IT??? Congratulations rail rifle users your gun remains OP still.
SMG DPS = 350 outclassed by the Magsec in range and DPS :) good job
As for those proficiency bonus it's bad enough that the majority of ALL usable weapons are made to kill armor now every single one of those weapons are going to bend us over just a little bit further. The proficiency bonus should affect the weak weapon damage profile not the strong one.
I've said this so much SHORT RANGE WEAPONS CANNOT HAVE LOWER DPS THAN LONG RANGE WEAPONS AND A 2.7% DPS DIFFERENCE VS A 40% RANGE DIFFERENCE IS NOT ENOUGH!!!!!
I thought exactly the same and left my comment in the DEV blog thread. This is REALLY disappointing and shows that CCP either don't want a balanced game or has no clue of balancing to be honest I do not know whats worse... |
Drapedup Drippedout
0uter.Heaven
513
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Posted - 2014.03.05 13:11:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:
And then comes people who say have patience and trust CCP then comes the day of patch and everything predicted is 100% true
^ just like tanks in 1.7
What I still don't understand....How the hell the commando gets a 10% buff to damage with the dmg mod nerf? That's seriously 2+ complex dmg mods for free. So Caldari/minmatar commando RR and Mass drivers will be the FoTM simply cause range + dmg. Then watch the Amarr commando fly under the radar and ScR and laser 'mandos will make me quit the game.
Edit: I know suit stats are not yet "official" so @CCP, look into this guys. No other suit gets the equivalent of 2 complex mods as a bonus, I think you might be creating a monster over there.
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DROID EXILES
General Tso's Alliance
33
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Posted - 2014.03.05 13:16:00 -
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Drapedup Drippedout wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:
And then comes people who say have patience and trust CCP then comes the day of patch and everything predicted is 100% true
^ just like tanks in 1.7 What I still don't understand....How the hell the commando gets a 10% buff to damage with the dmg mod nerf? That's seriously 2+ complex dmg mods for free. So Caldari/minmatar commando RR and Mass drivers will be the FoTM simply cause range + dmg. Then watch the Amarr commando fly under the radar and ScR and laser 'mandos will make me quit the game.
Commandos dont have super high hp
Low mobiliy
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Obodiah Garro
Tech Guard
RISE of LEGION
733
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Posted - 2014.03.05 13:18:00 -
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mollerz wrote:And the NerfLock continues.
The flaylock got 0 adjustments.
Flaylock is good where it is, no need to return it to its broken self. Magsec seems a bit strong, Bolt Pistol seems useless.
Armor/Shield profiency modifers is probably the best change CCP has put into the game, and a huge step forward to balancing shield to armor.
Also proto shield users will still get 3 shotted by a ScR qq
Nemo me impune lacessit
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1833
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Posted - 2014.03.05 13:35:00 -
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mollerz wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:Let me tell you how it will go. CCP will release the notes, the ilk of the forums will tell them they are stupid and should be fired, the forum warriors will do math and tell everyone what the OP and UP gear is and then tell CCP that they suck and don't understand anything. TOLD YOU As someone who invests in the stock market, by and large your posts are extremely passive aggressive and rely on picking out past occurrences as set behaviors. You'd be the type to base stock purchases and sales based on charts. Reliance on that gives you an unconscious padding on future performance based on the illusion of predicting the future based on hindsight observations. Sorry.. it's just so obvious to me and it's typical that you'd be unaware that you were stuck in that mindset trap. Carry on as you will.
If every time they release something and the same thing happens every time then it is justifiable to say that it will happen the next time until they break the cycle. I don't base stock purchases from charts, they do help but sometimes instinct and research does a better job. Also, the last time I check it is completely moronic to but a stock without looking at past performance. This article from The Wall Street Journal.
"In assessing investments such as stock, investors consider the stockGÇÖs valuation, strategy, plans for diversification and appetite for risk."
"The most basic measure of a stockGÇÖs worth involves that companyGÇÖs earnings. When you buy a stock, youGÇÖre acquiring a piece of the company, so profitability is an important consideration. Imagine buying a store. Before deciding how much to spend, you want to know how much money that store makes."
"The most common measure for stocks is the price to earnings ratio, known as the P/E. This measure, available in stock tables, takes the share price and divides it by a companyGÇÖs annual net income."
"Other popular measures include the dividend yield, price-to-book and, sometimes, price-to-sales. These are simple ratios that examine the stock price against the second figure, and these measures can also be easily found by studying stock tables."
Seems to me like doing research and basing future projections off of past performance is the best way to predict what is going to happen. I am not saying it is set in stone but for the most part you can trust a dog to be a dog.
"You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus."
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Happy Violentime
OMFGZOMBIESRUN
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Posted - 2014.03.05 13:41:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:Rail rifle DPS = 365 LOL REALLY THAT'S IT??? Congratulations rail rifle users your gun remains OP still!
Playing as Caldari Shield based infantry I can 'hand on my heart' tell you that the RR in it's current state is not OP
The Scramble rifle on the other hand is.
You sir are a moron.
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Mobius Wyvern
Ahrendee Mercenaries
General Tso's Alliance
4694
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Posted - 2014.03.05 13:42:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:Nice Dev blog but...
Mag sec SMG DPS = 355 this weapon should be the lowest DPS of all the automatic weapons.
Assault rifle DPS= 375 this gun should have 20% or more higher DPS than the rail rifle it is a short range weapons and should act as such a high DPS shredder not a short range downgrade of the rail rifle.
This right here means the Magsec is OP as hell sacrifice a tiny amount of DPS to have a portable assault rifle that costs less in ISK and fittings.
Ion pistol DPS = 277 and yet it remains a steaming pile of... shortest range and the lowest DPS??? How is this balanced because of the charged shot? If that's the case nerf the scrambler to be like this gun. Of course not that would make that gun garbage also... buff this gun to be below the Scrambler pistol and remove the cool down...
Rail rifle DPS = 365 LOL REALLY THAT'S IT??? Congratulations rail rifle users your gun remains OP still.
SMG DPS = 350 outclassed by the Magsec in range and DPS :) good job
As for those proficiency bonus it's bad enough that the majority of ALL usable weapons are made to kill armor now every single one of those weapons are going to bend us over just a little bit further. The proficiency bonus should affect the weak weapon damage profile not the strong one.
I've said this so much SHORT RANGE WEAPONS CANNOT HAVE LOWER DPS THAN LONG RANGE WEAPONS AND A 2.7% DPS DIFFERENCE VS A 40% RANGE DIFFERENCE IS NOT ENOUGH!!!!!
Recall also that a stated goal of this patch from 1-2 months back when they tried to hotfix the Laser Rifle was an improvement to their hotfix capabilities.
If this stuff doesn't work out, they'll probably just rework it again.
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A link from past to future
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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
4824
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Posted - 2014.03.05 14:00:00 -
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Happy Violentime wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:Rail rifle DPS = 365 LOL REALLY THAT'S IT??? Congratulations rail rifle users your gun remains OP still! Playing as Caldari Shield based infantry I can 'hand on my heart' tell you that the RR in it's current state is not OP The Scramble rifle on the other hand is. You sir are a moron.
if he's a moron youre an imbecile.
1st Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole -Title Awarded by True Adamance
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BL4CKST4R
WarRavens
League of Infamy
1967
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Posted - 2014.03.05 17:17:00 -
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Happy Violentime wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:Rail rifle DPS = 365 LOL REALLY THAT'S IT??? Congratulations rail rifle users your gun remains OP still! Playing as Caldari Shield based infantry I can 'hand on my heart' tell you that the RR in it's current state is not OP The Scramble rifle on the other hand is. You sir are a moron.
if you think the rail rifle is not OP and can "hand on your heart" say you don't have an edge vs every other gun in every 1v1 engagement then you are either a terrible player or just holding onto your crutch with dear life.
For the Federation!
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
2193
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Posted - 2014.03.05 17:18:00 -
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mollerz wrote:And the NerfLock continues.
The flaylock got 0 adjustments.
KRRROOOOOOM
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