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Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4787	Posted - 2014.03.04 18:54:00 - [1] - Quote It's a common accepted myth on these forums that the Caldari, simply because they are primarily a shield race, must be highly a higly mobile race. This is not true and the community should work towards further understanding the battle mantras of all the races to understand how they should be and not how they work currently or how you want them to be. -The Caldari are the Second Slowest race with the Amarr as the slowest. They prioritize shields over speed and prefer engagement from a distance. They are in no way the primary "skirmishers" Shanghai has depicted them to be in DUST. -The Gallente are not supposed to be the slow brick tankers that are in DUST. Lore wise (i.e. in EVE) the Gallente are the second fastest race with the Minmitar being the fastest. Balancing armor with speed they usually prefer getting in close and ***** things while having drone boats and railguns as a secondary route to offense. This probably won't do much but if one or two misguided blueberries read this It'll be worth it. TL;DR: Caldari =/= Speed Race Gallente =/= slow race + Gallente and Minmitar are the more skirmish oriented races While Caldari and Amarr are the more defense oriented races. 1st Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole** -Title Awarded by True Adamance
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4791	Posted - 2014.03.04 19:13:00 - [2] - Quote ads alt wrote: Balance Until caldari get more hp, no. I'm saying this is the way it should be, read better. *1st Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole* -Title Awarded by True Adamance
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4792	Posted - 2014.03.04 19:30:00 - [3] - Quote Knight Solitaire wrote: Caldari dont need more HP. Regen modules like the Regulator need a buff. You don't know how to read either. *1st Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole* -Title Awarded by True Adamance
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4794	Posted - 2014.03.04 19:39:00 - [4] - Quote Knight Solitaire wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Knight Solitaire wrote: Caldari dont need more HP. Regen modules like the Regulator need a buff. You don't know how to read either. I was replying to the other guy, not you. Sorry if that was too confusing for you Ahh, my bad man. *1st Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole* -Title Awarded by True Adamance
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4794	Posted - 2014.03.04 19:45:00 - [5] - Quote Oswald Rehnquist wrote: Sure but there would be a take away from the gallente too, (below are negative modifiers to separate them) Gallente: .75 armor modifier, (speed being applied by a penalty o caldari suits) Cladari: .75 speed modifier, 1.25 shield modifier (I don't know the armor to speed conversion, these are just dump numbers) I'm not following? Are you talking about the plate speed penalty? *1st Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole* -Title Awarded by True Adamance
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4795	Posted - 2014.03.04 19:59:00 - [6] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: A CCP dev (forget which one) stated that Eve Online's racial ship stats guide Dust 514, but they do not dictate all dropsuits' stats. I can understand that, and it's good that they don't have a 100% influence on dropsuit stats but the way things are currently it greatly favors one race over the other. Honestly if CCP had something in place to discourage dual tanking we'd see a lot of problems disappear. Although I can only imagine that that's hard to do when You've got the Minmitar who should be decent with both defenses. *1st Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole* -Title Awarded by True Adamance
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4796	Posted - 2014.03.04 20:08:00 - [7] - Quote Beren Hurin wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: When Assaults get bonuses to these playstyles instead of these w@nk weapon bonuses people will have a better grasp of this setup. You guys don't get it. Its the weapons themselves that lend themselves to the assaults play styles. Gallente: up close and personal, screw anyone that's strafing. Caldari: pick people off, if you can get any armor damage you can cut it like butter. Stay far away. Minmatar: High burst damage, prepare to retreat before you have to reload. Time your entrance/exit with your burst weapon and tank. Amarr: You hybrid tank and endurance lets you get in the perfect position to maybe even take a hit or two before getting a drop-em-dead alpha strike on your target that neutralizes their threat. It's a bit of both to be honest but weapons of course will have more of a say in it only if a suit (lets say assault) got the bonus to the corresponding racial weapon(s) as well. The Amarr Assault is the prime example of what an assault suit, bonus, and weapon should be when reflection racial battle mantras. Sure it doesn't effect the Scrambler pistol but the assault is generally going to be used with an all purpose weapon so it's bonus is perfect in encouraging Amarrians (in Dust) play style. *1st Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole* -Title Awarded by True Adamance
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4796	Posted - 2014.03.04 20:09:00 - [8] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: This just in.... This isn't Eve. This just in The DUST way isn't working obviously. *1st Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole* -Title Awarded by True Adamance
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4799	Posted - 2014.03.04 20:42:00 - [9] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: They'd have to change everything so armor isn't even more op. Armor (for dropsuits) is only OP when it's associated with Dual Tanking. Armor by itself is not terribly bad. inb4 armored Logis. They don't count for obvious reasons. *1st Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole* -Title Awarded by True Adamance
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4801	Posted - 2014.03.04 21:20:00 - [10] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: snip Learn to read. "A CCP dev (forget which one) stated that Eve Online's racial ship stats guide Dust 514, but they do not dictate all dropsuits' stats." >>. it's good that they don't have a 100% influence on dropsuit stats but the way things are currently it greatly favors one race over the other." *1st Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole* -Title Awarded by True Adamance

Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4801	Posted - 2014.03.04 21:25:00 - [11] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: This just in.... This isn't Eve. This just in The DUST way isn't working obviously. It's not obvious to me -- but I can be kind of slow sometimes. Why would you say that? Caldari suits *1st Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole* -Title Awarded by True Adamance
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4801	Posted - 2014.03.04 21:33:00 - [12] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: They'd have to change everything so armor isn't even more op. Armor (for dropsuits) is only OP when it's associated with Dual Tanking. Armor by itself is not terribly bad. inb4 armored Logis. They don't count for obvious reasons. If they change it so armor is faster and armor has over double the hp?? That's what I mean No, that would be broken of course. If we kept the current penalty for plates with Amarr, Gallente, and Minmitar while giving the old plate penalty ti the Caldari that might discourage dual tanking (have this vice versa for Gallente with shields as well). Plates would have to be changed as well because the Basic armor plate is way too good for what it is and the complex is a near waste for what it's worth. If Gallente Could get a Bonus to Ferroscale efficacy that would make a great amount of sense to pair things out. That's not a solve all solution of course but it would be a step in the right direction. Of course none of this is without it's flaws but it's just an idea that can be changed based on new information. *1st Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole* -Title Awarded by True Adamance
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4801	Posted - 2014.03.04 21:36:00 - [13] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: CCP is limited to what they can do because of code. They wanted to make The Gallente Assault have a bonus that reduced the speed penalty of plates, but couldn't code it so only the Gallente assault would get it. That's why they lowered the speed penalty. Yeah, I'm not sure if I mentioned this in my OP or not but I'm aware that they can't do most common sense things because code is getting in the way. Personally I wish the overall Assault Bonus would go away and just have two racial/suit bonuses; one generic for most things, one specific for racial things. *1st Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole* -Title Awarded by True Adamance
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4806	Posted - 2014.03.05 00:50:00 - [14] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: What's wrong with Caldari suits? I run them all the time and virtually exclusively. I'm not being obtuse, I simply don't understand what you're getting at. Thanks for your response...Lead Hahaha there's absolutely nothing wrong with Caldari suits, that's my point. The Caldari suits are usually the best suits to use in the game capable of a vast range of versatility that other suits would only dream of having. *1st Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole* -Title Awarded by True Adamance
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4806	Posted - 2014.03.05 00:51:00 - [15] - Quote safura trotsky wrote: [quote=Sgt Kirk]Post Script: This is a thread you should read all comments before posting. Please and thank you. pre script* Lol Yeah I added that after I posted it and then moved it to the front so people wouldn't miss it. Fixed now :D 1st Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole* -Title Awarded by True Adamance
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4806	Posted - 2014.03.05 00:53:00 - [16] - Quote Hagintora wrote: ...split the Dropsuit Skill Tree so that each Frame Size, of each Race, has it's own Tree. That way when you want/need to alter something (like, say, the CalLogi) you only have affect their skill tree. Several others and myself have wanted this from the beginning, I'm glad you like that Idea because it's hell of a good one. *1st Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole* -Title Awarded by True Adamance

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