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General12912
Gallente Marine Corps
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Posted - 2014.03.04 03:23:00 -
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seriously, i think the only reason people are using regular armor plates is because they cost less to fit. if they all had the same pg/cpu penalty, it might actually makes players think before choosing. right now basic/enhanced/complex armor plates are the obvious choice because they offer more HP while costing less than their reactive plate/ferroscale plate cousins.
making them all cost the same as regular armor plates woud effectively give players a choice between having lower armor hp but no penalty to speed, having a higher armor repair rate, or being tanky and slower than most, but with the most armor hp.
Assault Gk.0
Gallente Federation Patriot
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deepfried salad gilliam
Sanguine Knights
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Posted - 2014.03.04 03:26:00 -
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-1 armor is already op
side note: i always use reactives
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add p2p already!
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General12912
Gallente Marine Corps
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Posted - 2014.03.04 03:33:00 -
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deepfried salad gilliam wrote:-1 armor is already op
side note: i always use reactives
armor isnt really all that OP.
if by OP, you mean everybody is tanking it, this is meant to fix the problem. we may actually get people with less armor hp, but more speed, ect.
seriously, did you even read my post.
and trust me... back when shields were stronger than armor, it was actually more OP than what the 'OP' armor of today is.
Assault Gk.0
Gallente Federation Patriot
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Paul Ellinas
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.04 03:34:00 -
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-1
a)you paying CPU/PG to lose the speed penalty
b) no need for extra armor repair module you save CPU/PG |
General12912
Gallente Marine Corps
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Posted - 2014.03.04 03:41:00 -
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Paul Ellinas wrote:-1
a)you paying CPU/PG to lose the speed penalty
b) no need for extra armor repair module you save CPU/PG
are you saying ferroscale plates should be cheaper in pg/cpu than regular armor repairers?
Assault Gk.0
Gallente Federation Patriot
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Talos Alomar
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.03.04 03:53:00 -
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deepfried salad gilliam wrote:-1 armor is already op
side note: i always use reactives
Armor isn't OP, TTK is too low.
Once CCP does the much needed TTK fix then the lower buffer and faster recharge of shields will be much more useful. Right now brick tanking is the only way to go, which armor does better.
With a higher TTK Shield tankers would be able to engage in combat again so much faster, whittling down armor before they can properly heal.
Balls.
That is all.
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General12912
Gallente Marine Corps
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Posted - 2014.03.04 04:01:00 -
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Talos Alomar wrote:deepfried salad gilliam wrote:-1 armor is already op
side note: i always use reactives Armor isn't OP, TTK is too low. Once CCP does the much needed TTK fix then the lower buffer and faster recharge of shields will be much more useful. Right now brick tanking is the only way to go, which armor does better. With a higher TTK Shield tankers would be able to engage in combat again so much faster, whittling down armor before they can properly heal.
never thought of that one either. i'll have to use that one next time im defending armor tanking 
Assault Gk.0
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Paul Ellinas
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.04 04:01:00 -
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I am saying there are 3 types of armor plates:
1. a)low PG/CPU b)low speed c)high armor d)no repair
2. a)high PG/CPU b)high speed c)medium armor d)no repair
3. a)high PG/CPU b)low speed c)medium armor d)armor repair
In 2 the cost for b) is a) and in 3 the cost of d) is a)
You got 2. and 3. to get something closer to the mechanics of shield because ppl demented it long time ago (one time shield was op). |
General12912
Gallente Marine Corps
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Posted - 2014.03.04 04:16:00 -
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Paul Ellinas wrote:I am saying there are 3 types of armor plates:
1. a)low PG/CPU b)low speed c)high armor d)no repair
2. a)high PG/CPU b)high speed c)medium armor d)no repair
3. a)high PG/CPU b)low speed c)medium armor d)armor repair
In 2 the cost for b) is a) and in 3 the cost of d) is a)
You got 2. and 3. to get something closer to the mechanics of shield because ppl demented it long time ago (one time shield was op).
ah. yea that was a misinterpretation on my part. lets say all of a) becomes low PG/CPU. they still will retai advantages and disadvantages. in 2 you still have no way to repair armor, thus making it ineffective. and anyways, how often do we even see usage 2 on the battlefield? i must say i never have.
as for when you mentioned shields, i know. i said it above. and i was present during that time. i was new to the game, but i was there. those were the days when there wasnt even as much of a variety in suits. the only assaults were caldari, the ony heavies were amarr, the only scouts were gallente and the ony logi was minmatar. no basic frames or any different racial medium frames either.
at that time, shields were OP not only because they were stronger, but because they recharged so fast too. im not asking to make armor like the old shields.
Assault Gk.0
Gallente Federation Patriot
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Auris Lionesse
Capital Acquisitions LLC
Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.04 05:17:00 -
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Paul Ellinas wrote:I am saying there are 3 types of armor plates:
1. a)low PG/CPU b)low speed c)high armor d)no repair
2. a)high PG/CPU b)high speed c)medium armor d)no repair
3. a)high PG/CPU b)low speed c)medium armor d)armor repair
In 2 the cost for b) is a) and in 3 the cost of d) is a)
You got 2. and 3. to get something closer to the mechanics of shield because ppl demented it long time ago (one time shield was op).
Except ferroscales should be percentage based
Reactives are useless really.
Armor and shield needs damage resistance modules. |
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Joel II X
Dah Gods O Bacon
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Posted - 2014.03.04 05:46:00 -
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Auris Lionesse wrote:Paul Ellinas wrote:I am saying there are 3 types of armor plates:
1. a)low PG/CPU b)low speed c)high armor d)no repair
2. a)high PG/CPU b)high speed c)medium armor d)no repair
3. a)high PG/CPU b)low speed c)medium armor d)armor repair
In 2 the cost for b) is a) and in 3 the cost of d) is a)
You got 2. and 3. to get something closer to the mechanics of shield because ppl demented it long time ago (one time shield was op). Except ferroscales should be percentage based Reactives are useless really. Armor and shield needs damage resistance modules.
Reactive offer reps.
If the reps increased along with the tiers, it'd be better. |
General12912
Gallente Marine Corps
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Posted - 2014.03.04 11:07:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:Auris Lionesse wrote:Paul Ellinas wrote:I am saying there are 3 types of armor plates:
1. a)low PG/CPU b)low speed c)high armor d)no repair
2. a)high PG/CPU b)high speed c)medium armor d)no repair
3. a)high PG/CPU b)low speed c)medium armor d)armor repair
In 2 the cost for b) is a) and in 3 the cost of d) is a)
You got 2. and 3. to get something closer to the mechanics of shield because ppl demented it long time ago (one time shield was op). Except ferroscales should be percentage based Reactives are useless really. Armor and shield needs damage resistance modules. Reactive offer reps. If the reps increased along with the tiers, it'd be better.
the reps do increase along with tiers, but barely.
anyways, fixing reactives is for another topic altogether.
Assault Gk.0
Gallente Federation Patriot
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Racro 01 Arifistan
501st Knights of Leanbox
INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS
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Posted - 2014.03.04 12:34:00 -
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you do relize the std armour plate varients have the highest penaltys compared to reacitve and ferroscale right? |
Hecarim Van Hohen
ACME SPECIAL FORCES
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.03.04 12:46:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.04 15:57:00 -
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Armor is only OP if you try to stand still and face off against them without moving. If you Strafe, then you will see how useful shield tanking is.
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Kilo Shells
G.L.O.R.Y
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Posted - 2014.03.04 18:58:00 -
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I see what your trying to say and I agree. The penalties are build into the mods. I really wouldn't mind squishy/fast armor tankers running around.
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General12912
Gallente Marine Corps
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Posted - 2014.03.04 21:38:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Armor is only OP if you try to stand still and face off against them without moving. If you Strafe, then you will see how useful shield tanking is.
effectively making it not op. tanking it has its disadvantages as much as sheld tanking does. thats why my assault gk0 and assault g/1 suits are both shield and armor tanked, which has its disadvantages too.
Assault Gk.0
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