DUST Search - which heavy will be the best

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Gallente
Either 4 plates or 3 plates and a rep or 3 reps 1 plate
Faster base movement speed
I already strafe heavies so it will be beter
More base snields, better than 75 base armor because resistanc
4 low alots compared to 3
I will be able to kill you before you kill me
Your extra resistance is negated by my more shield
Damage mods get nerfed, you have 1 over me which is worthless on an hmg btw, and then a stacking penelty

So enjoy your bad suit, wait for ccp to buff it.

Lets say we stack Gallente fattie against Amarr fattie. All Complex Armor plates in the lows. All HMG, HP, Sentinel skills level 5. Both using Boundless HMG.

We'll look at two cases: Complex Damage Mods in hi slots (assuming they don't get nerfed), and the other with Complex Shield Extenders in hi slots (assuming damage mods do get nerfed).

We'll take suit resistant and weapon type resistances into account here.

Gallente Sentinel with damage mods:
1250.25 Armor, 487.5 shields, 1001.88 DPS, 3.35 speed

Amarr Sentinel with damage mods:
1195.5 armor, 450 shields, 1083.85 DPS, 3.22 speed

Gallente kills Amarr in 1.729s.
Amarr kills Gallente in 1.626s.

Amarr wins.

Now lets look at shields:

Gallente Sentinel with damage mods:
1250.25 Armor, 560.1 shields, 910.8 DPS, 3.35 speed

Amarr Sentinel with damage mods:
1195.5 armor, 595.2 shields, 910.8 DPS, 3.22 speed

Gallente kills Amarr in 2.062s.
Amarr kills Gallente in 1.96s.

Amarr wins.

You are wrong. No matter what fit you try to put together, Amarr always kills Gallente Sentinel first.

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DoomLead Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 274	Posted - 2014.03.04 02:57:00 - [1] - Quote since I don't understand the graphs which heavy will be the best.
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 1410	Posted - 2014.03.04 03:02:00 - [2] - Quote Gallente Sentinel will be the best. Gallente Assault could've been the best. Gallente Logistics will still be awesome, but not much with equipments. Gallente Scout is the best. Not sure about the Commando. Never looked at its specs.
DoomLead Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 274	Posted - 2014.03.04 03:04:00 - [3] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Gallente Sentinel will be the best. Gallente Assault could've been the best. Gallente Logistics will still be awesome, but not much with equipments. Gallente Scout is the best. Not sure about the Commando. Never looked at its specs. why do you say Gal sentinel
Cotsy8 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 17	Posted - 2014.03.04 03:04:00 - [4] - Quote Just wait to see the final stats and bonuses etc.. From what is released it seems Gal sent is the superior choice due to high (1200+ total) HP. If you need help its best to wait a few days after 1.8 is released. People will QQ about a heavy class and you simply spec into it. It's about being patient enough to wait and see what is best. Just wait, even though sents appear to be the clear winner post 1.8 don't count out commandos. They could be a very strong option and could be more exciting to play than sents - Cots
neausea 1987 R 0 N 1 N 54	Posted - 2014.03.04 03:05:00 - [5] - Quote minmitar (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ throws remote explosive and runs to the flank, the RE" was just a decoy
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 1410	Posted - 2014.03.04 03:07:00 - [6] - Quote DoomLead wrote: Joel II X wrote: Gallente Sentinel will be the best. Gallente Assault could've been the best. Gallente Logistics will still be awesome, but not much with equipments. Gallente Scout is the best. Not sure about the Commando. Never looked at its specs. why do you say Gal sentinel More armor. Passive reps. Their resistances are geared for armor protection. You can still carry a logistics around since you armor tank and get even more reps. Core Focused Rep Tool? Unless they kill your logi, or shoot you with a rail tank, you're a walking weapon of mass destruction. Plus, they're Gallentean.
Horizen Kenpachi Kenpachi's Castle 217	Posted - 2014.03.04 03:07:00 - [7] - Quote Im getting an interacial boner Hit me with your nerf bat.
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 1491	Posted - 2014.03.04 03:09:00 - [8] - Quote DoomLead wrote: since I don't understand the graphs which heavy will be the best. Darken-Sol Who wants some?
Nocturnal Soul Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2129	Posted - 2014.03.04 03:09:00 - [9] - Quote DoomLead wrote: Joel II X wrote: Gallente Sentinel will be the best. Gallente Assault could've been the best. Gallente Logistics will still be awesome, but not much with equipments. Gallente Scout is the best. Not sure about the Commando. Never looked at its specs. why do you say Gal sentinel 1h & 4l can reach armor hp compairable with the Amarr ( which are the supposedly go to armor tankers but only gain 75 on a heavy for a 3% decrease in speed which is lolccpbullshitlogic that makes me want to stomp kittens to death. ) Anyway the Gallente are the FOTM race now so if you wanna win go gallente no need for the other races to exist at all on the ground. BLAH BLAH BLAH YEAA IM FREAKING BUTT HURT LIKE A NEW INMATE IN A PRISON BATHROOM. EDIT: they also get a inherent passive armor repair which to me is bs you know damn well ccp no one is going to stack their siuts with repair mods freaking damn 1.7 logis And done I have released my bum pains and am now in a state of peace once more "But we have been blessed"
DoomLead Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 274	Posted - 2014.03.04 03:10:00 - [10] - Quote neausea 1987 wrote: minmitar why minmatar

Logi Bro Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 2969	Posted - 2014.03.04 03:11:00 - [11] - Quote You know, a lot of people will tell you X is going to be best, but it won't. From what I am seeing from these sentinel stats, the best one will be the one that matches your playstyle. That may sound old and cliche, but I think they did well with the stats on the sentinels this time around. Like being able to soak up damage? Amarr. Like to get back into the fight quickly with a tough buffer? Gal. Like to lone wolf? Cal. Like to run around like a maniac with a triple damage modded HMG? Min. I'd say Gal is the best jack of trades, though. Lots of low slots allows for lots of customization outside of its intended role. H M G
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 614	Posted - 2014.03.04 03:11:00 - [12] - Quote Caldari = best Solo sentinal Minmatar = Fastest / flanker sentinal Gal = highest HP posible sentinal Amarr = a weaker gal sentinal with 1 more damage mod These forums must be located in the Californin country side, there is whine as far as the eye can see.
Nocturnal Soul Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2129	Posted - 2014.03.04 03:14:00 - [13] - Quote neausea 1987 wrote: minmitar +1 for sig "But we have been blessed"
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1857	Posted - 2014.03.04 03:16:00 - [14] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: Caldari = best Solo sentinal Minmatar = Fastest / flanker sentinal Gal = highest HP posible sentinal Amarr = a weaker gal sentinal with 1 more damage mod Mostly right. But Amarr = master heavy killer. You need to be able to crunch numbers to understand why. I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - *draconian forum overlord* CCP Logibro]
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 617	Posted - 2014.03.04 03:20:00 - [15] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: Beck Weathers wrote: Caldari = best Solo sentinal Minmatar = Fastest / flanker sentinal Gal = highest HP posible sentinal Amarr = a weaker gal sentinal with 1 more damage mod Mostly right. But Amarr = master heavy killer. You need to be able to crunch numbers to understand why. Dosent take much crunching. It gets a 15% resist aginst the HMG which "most" none RR heavys will be using, it will then be able to fit its HMG with 2x Complex damg mods, while still having quite a nice HP buffer. These forums must be located in the Californin country side, there is whine as far as the eye can see.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 1056	Posted - 2014.03.04 03:23:00 - [16] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: Beck Weathers wrote: Caldari = best Solo sentinal Minmatar = Fastest / flanker sentinal Gal = highest HP posible sentinal Amarr = a weaker gal sentinal with 1 more damage mod Mostly right. But Amarr = master heavy killer. You need to be able to crunch numbers to understand why. So basically- Amarr sentinel= rail tank of heavies Gallente sentinel= blaster tank of heavies Kills- Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1857	Posted - 2014.03.04 03:24:00 - [17] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: Dosent take much crunching. It gets a 15% resist aginst the HMG which "most" none RR heavys will be using, it will then be able to fit its HMG with 2x Complex damg mods, while still having quite a nice HP buffer. Ok fine. But for some reason that isn't obvious to most people and I have to keep reiterating it. I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - *draconian forum overlord* CCP Logibro]
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 776	Posted - 2014.03.04 14:49:00 - [18] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: Beck Weathers wrote: Caldari = best Solo sentinal Minmatar = Fastest / flanker sentinal Gal = highest HP posible sentinal Amarr = a weaker gal sentinal with 1 more damage mod Mostly right. But Amarr = master heavy killer. You need to be able to crunch numbers to understand why. Beck's got the gist of things, It really comes down to how you want to use the Heavy Suit. Example...if you are keen to get into forge gunning and AV work the CalHeavy is tailor made for you. High shield buffer with a extremely low recharge time lets you survive against tanks and ADS long enough for your assault forge gun to blap them. Basically you don't have to be tethered to a Logibro to do your part. There is no "best"...the choice depends on how you want to fight. "Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero
ads alt DROID EXILES General Tso's Alliance 8	Posted - 2014.03.04 15:07:00 - [19] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: Beck Weathers wrote: Caldari = best Solo sentinal Minmatar = Fastest / flanker sentinal Gal = highest HP posible sentinal Amarr = a weaker gal sentinal with 1 more damage mod Mostly right. But Amarr = master heavy killer. You need to be able to crunch numbers to understand why. Less shield hp, less aamor, less speed, 5% more resistance, people who thinks the amarr sentinel is good are idiots...
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7155	Posted - 2014.03.04 15:19:00 - [20] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Gallente Sentinel will be the best. Gallente Assault could've been the best. Gallente Logistics will still be awesome, but not much with equipments. Gallente Scout is the best. Not sure about the Commando. Never looked at its specs. I've crunched numbers and looked at potential fittings for all tiers of Commando and Gallente WOULD be the best if it weren't for the fact that all Gallente light weapons currently suck (~~Assault~~ Plasma Rifle, Plasma Cannon, and Plasma Shotgun which I suppose is alright but not on a heavy suit). Mail me in game if interested in learning about the Amarr Empire and serving them in Faction Warfare. Amarr Victor!

Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 2947	Posted - 2014.03.04 15:25:00 - [21] - Quote Mine. (I'll be in aK.0 and gK.0 fatsuits. I like versatility.) I GÖú Kittens.
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1860	Posted - 2014.03.04 15:31:00 - [22] - Quote ads alt wrote: Less shield hp, less aamor, less speed, 5% more resistance, people who thinks the amarr sentinel is good are idiots... Aaand you're the type of heavy I'll be mulching up in my Amarr Sentinel. Which is good. Because there seems to be an awful lot of players who think the same way you do. It'll keep me in business. I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - *draconian forum overlord* CCP Logibro]
Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 1359	Posted - 2014.03.04 15:32:00 - [23] - Quote DoomLead wrote: since I don't understand the graphs which heavy will be the best. If you don't understand charts and graphs, stop playing video games and go back to school until you do.
ads alt DROID EXILES General Tso's Alliance 9	Posted - 2014.03.04 15:36:00 - [24] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: ads alt wrote: Less shield hp, less aamor, less speed, 5% more resistance, people who thinks the amarr sentinel is good are idiots... Aaand you're the type of heavy I'll be mulching up in my Amarr Sentinel. Which is good. Because there seems to be an awful lot of players who think the same way you do. I'll keep me in business. Yea, because 5% more damage over me after damage mod nerf is a HUUUUUGE advantage, while I out strafe you, and have more shield buffer which projectiles are weak, I'll keep laughing, and I will have more armor too and more reps, so keep giving me wp dude.... Oh and did I mention more reps and speed because more slots?
shadow drake35 Mocking Bird Inc. 70	Posted - 2014.03.04 15:40:00 - [25] - Quote ads alt wrote: Disturbingly Bored wrote: ads alt wrote: Less shield hp, less aamor, less speed, 5% more resistance, people who thinks the amarr sentinel is good are idiots... Aaand you're the type of heavy I'll be mulching up in my Amarr Sentinel. Which is good. Because there seems to be an awful lot of players who think the same way you do. I'll keep me in business. Yea, because 5% more damage over me after damage mod nerf is a HUUUUUGE advantage, while I out strafe you, and have more shield buffer which projectiles are weak, I'll keep laughing, and I will have more armor too and more reps, so keep giving me wp dude.... Oh and did I mention more reps and speed because more slots? amarr will come on top hmg kills armor hello balistic we have more shield and a damage mod so good bye galente The Mercenary Way Who careswhat i use as long as the job is done and i get paid.
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1860	Posted - 2014.03.04 15:40:00 - [26] - Quote ads alt wrote: Yea, because 5% more damage over me after damage mod nerf is a HUUUUUGE advantage, while I out strafe you, and have more shield buffer which projectiles are weak, I'll keep laughing, and I will have more armor too and more reps, so keep giving me wp dude.... Oh and did I mention more reps and speed because more slots? More reps. More shields. More speed. More strafing. More armor. More slots. Do tell, what suit will you be using? I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - *draconian forum overlord* CCP Logibro]
shadow drake35 Mocking Bird Inc. 70	Posted - 2014.03.04 15:43:00 - [27] - Quote ads alt wrote: Disturbingly Bored wrote: ads alt wrote: Less shield hp, less aamor, less speed, 5% more resistance, people who thinks the amarr sentinel is good are idiots... Aaand you're the type of heavy I'll be mulching up in my Amarr Sentinel. Which is good. Because there seems to be an awful lot of players who think the same way you do. I'll keep me in business. Yea, because 5% more damage over me after damage mod nerf is a HUUUUUGE advantage, while I out strafe you, and have more shield buffer which projectiles are weak, I'll keep laughing, and I will have more armor too and more reps, so keep giving me wp dude.... Oh and did I mention more reps and speed because more slots? amarr also has more pg and cpu overall The Mercenary Way Who careswhat i use as long as the job is done and i get paid.
ads alt DROID EXILES General Tso's Alliance 10	Posted - 2014.03.04 15:46:00 - [28] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: ads alt wrote: Yea, because 5% more damage over me after damage mod nerf is a HUUUUUGE advantage, while I out strafe you, and have more shield buffer which projectiles are weak, I'll keep laughing, and I will have more armor too and more reps, so keep giving me wp dude.... Oh and did I mention more reps and speed because more slots? More reps. More shields. More speed. More strafing. More armor. More slots. Do tell, what suit will you be using? Gallente Either 4 plates or 3 plates and a rep or 3 reps 1 plate Faster base movement speed I already strafe heavies so it will be beter More base snields, better than 75 base armor because resistanc 4 low alots compared to 3 I will be able to kill you before you kill me Your extra resistance is negated by my more shield Damage mods get nerfed, you have 1 over me which is worthless on an hmg btw, and then a stacking penelty So enjoy your bad suit, wait for ccp to buff it. Btw can only post every 5 minutes.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3318	Posted - 2014.03.04 16:18:00 - [29] - Quote DoomLead wrote: since I don't understand the graphs which heavy will be the best. Gal Sentinel. Both its racial resistances are for armour, all three resistances are for the most common anti-armour in the game, and it has the highest capacity for armour modules. It's going to make the Amarr look like shield tankers. No.
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1472	Posted - 2014.03.04 16:31:00 - [30] - Quote I wonder if someone will run a plasma cannon gal sentinel? Would be funny. Drop it like its hat.

Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1860	Posted - 2014.03.04 16:40:00 - [31] - Quote ads alt wrote: Gallente Either 4 plates or 3 plates and a rep or 3 reps 1 plate Faster base movement speed I already strafe heavies so it will be beter More base snields, better than 75 base armor because resistanc 4 low alots compared to 3 I will be able to kill you before you kill me Your extra resistance is negated by my more shield Damage mods get nerfed, you have 1 over me which is worthless on an hmg btw, and then a stacking penelty So enjoy your bad suit, wait for ccp to buff it. Lets say we stack Gallente fattie against Amarr fattie. All Complex Armor plates in the lows. All HMG, HP, Sentinel skills level 5. Both using Boundless HMG. We'll look at two cases: Complex Damage Mods in hi slots (assuming they don't get nerfed), and the other with Complex Shield Extenders in hi slots (assuming damage mods do get nerfed). We'll take suit resistant and weapon type resistances into account here. Gallente Sentinel with damage mods: 1250.25 Armor, 487.5 shields, 1001.88 DPS, 3.35 speed Amarr Sentinel with damage mods: 1195.5 armor, 450 shields, 1083.85 DPS, 3.22 speed Gallente kills Amarr in 1.729s. Amarr kills Gallente in 1.626s. Amarr wins. Now lets look at shields: Gallente Sentinel with damage mods: 1250.25 Armor, 560.1 shields, 910.8 DPS, 3.35 speed Amarr Sentinel with damage mods: 1195.5 armor, 595.2 shields, 910.8 DPS, 3.22 speed Gallente kills Amarr in 2.062s. Amarr kills Gallente in 1.96s. Amarr wins. You are wrong. No matter what fit you try to put together, Amarr always kills Gallente Sentinel first. I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - *draconian forum overlord* CCP Logibro]
ads alt DROID EXILES General Tso's Alliance 12	Posted - 2014.03.04 16:42:00 - [32] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: ads alt wrote: Gallente Either 4 plates or 3 plates and a rep or 3 reps 1 plate Faster base movement speed I already strafe heavies so it will be beter More base snields, better than 75 base armor because resistanc 4 low alots compared to 3 I will be able to kill you before you kill me Your extra resistance is negated by my more shield Damage mods get nerfed, you have 1 over me which is worthless on an hmg btw, and then a stacking penelty So enjoy your bad suit, wait for ccp to buff it. Lets say we stack Gallente fattie against Amarr fattie. All Complex Armor plates in the lows. All HMG, HP, Sentinel skills level 5. Both using Boundless HMG. We'll look at two cases: Complex Damage Mods in hi slots (assuming they don't get nerfed), and the other with Complex Shield Extenders in hi slots (assuming damage mods do get nerfed). We'll take suit resistant and weapon type resistances into account here. Gallente Sentinel with damage mods: 1250.25 Armor, 487.5 shields, 1001.88 DPS, 3.35 speed Amarr Sentinel with damage mods: 1195.5 armor, 450 shields, 1083.85 DPS, 3.22 speed Gallente kills Amarr in 1.729s. Amarr kills Gallente in 1.626s. Amarr wins. Now lets look at shields: Gallente Sentinel with damage mods: 1250.25 Armor, 560.1 shields, 910.8 DPS, 3.35 speed Amarr Sentinel with damage mods: 1195.5 armor, 595.2 shields, 910.8 DPS, 3.22 speed Gallente kills Amarr in 2.062s. Amarr kills Gallente in 1.96s. Amarr wins. You are wrong. No matter what fit you try to put together, Amarr always kills Gallente Sentinel first. Your funny Its bad really bad I will beat you evey time, its called moving and skill, lol, just lol.
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1860	Posted - 2014.03.04 16:53:00 - [33] - Quote ads alt wrote: Your funny Its bad really bad I will beat you evey time, its called moving and skill, lol, just lol. See you on the field. I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - *draconian forum overlord* CCP Logibro]
J0hlss0n Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 115	Posted - 2014.03.04 17:08:00 - [34] - Quote DoomLead wrote: why minmatar Because they look awesome...


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