KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
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Posted - 2014.03.03 17:13:00 -
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I agree. Would give basic frames a purpose, in 1.8 we will have 36 standard-prototype basic frames; way too many suits in the game to have be completely useless. I say they are useless because for the most part they are inferior versions of the specialized suits (like assaults, logis, sentinels, etc), and they can't even be used as a way to save money since they're oddly more expensive (this is reversed for vehicles, specialized vehicles like assault dropsips cost more than the basic ones); there is just no reason to use a basic frame when you have unlock the specialization. We should never have 36 items that are worthless.
I generally agree about making the basic frames a generalized middle-ground between the specializations, it would make the specializations truly specialized by comparison instead of just being basic frames with bonuses slapped on with some few minor changes (current assaults, sentinels, scouts). It would also give players the ability to test-drive roles before specializing, right now you can test out the assault role with a basic medium, or a sentinel role with a basic heavy, etc, but you can't test a commando or logi role with their parent basic frame; the current set up is bad for testing roles.
I generally agree giving the basic heavy an equipment slot should happen, but it needs to take substantial losses as a tradeoff given how big and advantage an equipment is.
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
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Posted - 2014.03.03 17:31:00 -
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Bormir1r wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:I agree. Would give basic frames a purpose, in 1.8 we will have 36 standard-prototype basic frames; way too many suits in the game to have be completely useless. I say they are useless because for the most part they are inferior versions of the specialized suits (like assaults, logis, sentinels, etc), and they can't even be used as a way to save money since they're oddly more expensive (this is reversed for vehicles, specialized vehicles like assault dropsips cost more than the basic ones); there is just no reason to use a basic frame when you have unlock the specialization. We should never have 36 items that are worthless.
I generally agree about making the basic frames a generalized middle-ground between the specializations, it would make the specializations truly specialized by comparison instead of just being basic frames with bonuses slapped on with some few minor changes (current assaults, sentinels, scouts). It would also give players the ability to test-drive roles before specializing, right now you can test out the assault role with a basic medium, or a sentinel role with a basic heavy, etc, but you can't test a commando or logi role with their parent basic frame; the current set up is bad for testing roles.
I generally agree giving the basic heavy an equipment slot should happen, but it needs to take substantial losses as a tradeoff given how big and advantage an equipment is. The basic suits require half as much SP instead of getting specialized, which is a lot of SP and cost approx. 20k ISK more than the specialized proto, which means you're paying twice the amount of SP for getting the 2 bonuses and reduced isk price.. However you are correct in saying there are issues that need to be fixed, so I would essentially agree with what you're saying maybe they could just add an inferior bonus (but nonetheless a bonus) onto the basic frame? (i.e. if you skill into the caldari medium basic, you should still get some generic bonus that's not as good as the specialized assault bonus or logi). Specialized suits should be more expensive and should take more SP to skill into. If the SP and cost were a tradeoff, than assault dropships should be cheaper than a standard basic dropships by that logic; they are both standard. Specializations would still be worth it even if they were more expensive; superior things should have higher costs, even it it takes more SP. We should never have a situation in which 36 suits becomes completely obsolete. I should have situations where I find it beneficial to switch to the inferior basic frames to save money. I agree that basic frames should give a bonus. That bonus should stack with all specializations that branch from that frame (so specializations would each have 3 bonuses). A Caldari assault and Caldari logi are both types of Caldari medium frames, so it makes sense that they should also receive the Cadari medium frame bonus.
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