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Marston VC
SVER True Blood
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.03 16:42:00 -
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Why do so many people feel so inclined to believe that just because there in a heavy suit or a tank it should require teamwork to take them down? Why does it require TWO people to kill ONE person in a tank? Why do people think heavies need to be buffed to the point of requiring teamwork to kill? There damn good now and after 1.8 drops the gallente heavy especially is going to be ridiculous! (because of how both the CR and RR armor damage bonus will be negated by the GHeavies racial bonus).
You see, everyone goes and says "tanks aren't OP you just need teamwork to kill them" And what everyone doesn't realize is, that statement in itself is an oxymoron. One person in one tank, requires teamwork to be killed. That's an imbalance. Hell, most of the time it requires two people to kill a heavy suit. ESPECIALLY if that heavy suit is proto with 1000 armor.
I mean, after 1.8 drops not even RE's will be able to kill heavies in one blast!!! RE's cant even reliably kill tanks this build either. And this build a proto heavy will still survive at least the first blast from an RE. I mean COME ON GUYS!!!!!
Really I don't care. Ill do just fine because lol 36M SP. But for the newer guys? tsk tsk...... I hope you guys are okay with getting rolled over by heavies  (I hope tanks get nerfed or booted out of ambush at least though). Meh, whatever! I just wanted to say that!
Marston VC, STB Director
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Marston VC
SVER True Blood
General Tso's Alliance
1568
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Posted - 2014.03.03 17:25:00 -
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Darken-Soul wrote:I think everyone figured out you just need a sica rail.
Being forced to play into another playstyle because theres no alternative isn't much better. And what happens when theres a squad of tanks on the other team? That sica rail is gonna do a lot of good then I suppose......
Marston VC, STB Director
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Marston VC
SVER True Blood
General Tso's Alliance
1568
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Posted - 2014.03.03 17:38:00 -
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Rusty Shallows wrote:Marston VC wrote:Why do so many people feel so inclined to believe that just because there in a heavy suit or a tank it should require teamwork to take them down? Why does it require TWO people to kill ONE person in a tank? Why do people think heavies need to be buffed to the point of requiring teamwork to kill? There damn good now and after 1.8 drops the gallente heavy especially is going to be ridiculous! (because of how both the CR and RR armor damage bonus will be negated by the GHeavies racial bonus).
snip The multiple people needed to kill a heavy was more of a frustration issue. Running around with glitched weapons and what was clearly a wore Frame from Mediums will draw out all sorts of answers. As far as Remote Explosives goes. I'm sure players in Heavy Frames would love to have a non-weapon slot item that can deal more damage than some Forge Guns, has no animation, and arms twice as fast than any Assault Forge Gun.
And im sure any medium suit would love to have the HP to tank a non-weapon slot item that does those aforementioned things.......
Marston VC, STB Director
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Marston VC
SVER True Blood
General Tso's Alliance
1570
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Posted - 2014.03.03 17:42:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:I'm praying for a respec to get out of my Heavy haha, they are gonna be so broken. Scout for life. 
What are you speccing into? Cal scout? or gal scout?
Marston VC, STB Director
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Marston VC
SVER True Blood
General Tso's Alliance
1570
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Posted - 2014.03.03 17:44:00 -
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Vitharr Foebane wrote:Marston VC wrote:Why do so many people feel so inclined to believe that just because there in a heavy suit or a tank it should require teamwork to take them down? Why does it require TWO people to kill ONE person in a tank? Why do people think heavies need to be buffed to the point of requiring teamwork to kill? There damn good now and after 1.8 drops the gallente heavy especially is going to be ridiculous! (because of how both the CR and RR armor damage bonus will be negated by the GHeavies racial bonus). You see, everyone goes and says "tanks aren't OP you just need teamwork to kill them" And what everyone doesn't realize is, that statement in itself is an oxymoron. One person in one tank, requires teamwork to be killed. That's an imbalance. Hell, most of the time it requires two people to kill a heavy suit. ESPECIALLY if that heavy suit is proto with 1000 armor. I mean, after 1.8 drops not even RE's will be able to kill heavies in one blast!!! RE's cant even reliably kill tanks this build either. And this build a proto heavy will still survive at least the first blast from an RE. I mean COME ON GUYS!!!!! Really I don't care. Ill do just fine because lol 36M SP. But for the newer guys? tsk tsk...... I hope you guys are okay with getting rolled over by heavies (I hope tanks get nerfed or booted out of ambush at least though). Meh, whatever! I just wanted to say that! take a heavy give him a HMG and drop him 40m from any racial rifle user and you will see how "OP" a heavy is...
Take a heavy, drop him in an LAV and see how little 40m means to him........
Marston VC, STB Director
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Marston VC
SVER True Blood
General Tso's Alliance
1570
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Posted - 2014.03.03 17:45:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Marston VC wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:I'm praying for a respec to get out of my Heavy haha, they are gonna be so broken. Scout for life. What are you speccing into? Cal scout? or gal scout? Gallente. I should have just done that from the start with Uprising, but nooooo, I wanted to be a PC Prometheus pilot.... 
Well hey! ADS's are still very good to have! But those passive scans on the galscout, tsk tsk! Those are good!
Marston VC, STB Director
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Marston VC
SVER True Blood
General Tso's Alliance
1570
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Posted - 2014.03.03 17:47:00 -
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Rusty Shallows wrote:Marston VC wrote:Rusty Shallows wrote:Marston VC wrote:Why do so many people feel so inclined to believe that just because there in a heavy suit or a tank it should require teamwork to take them down? Why does it require TWO people to kill ONE person in a tank? Why do people think heavies need to be buffed to the point of requiring teamwork to kill? There damn good now and after 1.8 drops the gallente heavy especially is going to be ridiculous! (because of how both the CR and RR armor damage bonus will be negated by the GHeavies racial bonus).
snip The multiple people needed to kill a heavy was more of a frustration issue. Running around with glitched weapons and what was clearly a wore Frame from Mediums will draw out all sorts of answers. As far as Remote Explosives goes. I'm sure players in Heavy Frames would love to have a non-weapon slot item that can deal more damage than some Forge Guns, has no animation, and arms twice as fast than any Assault Forge Gun. And im sure any medium suit would love to have the HP to tank a non-weapon slot item that does those aforementioned things....... Any Medium Frame can get Remote Explosives. Heavies cannot. That was my point. Heavy Frames would love the HP of a HAV with damage resistance of course. Can we get the mobility as well?
And my point is that any medium frame would love to have the HP of a heavy. But we cant. Even my gal logi suit can only get to around 1100 HP I think, and at that point I cant really fit anything onto the suit anyway.
The whole point of the post was to point out how much EHP a heavy is going to have in 1.8 and how its going to be ridiculous to try and take one down solo! Even if you do have the equipment to do so!
Marston VC, STB Director
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Marston VC
SVER True Blood
General Tso's Alliance
1575
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Posted - 2014.03.03 18:14:00 -
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Galthur wrote:Vitharr Foebane wrote:Marston VC wrote:Why do so many people feel so inclined to believe that just because there in a heavy suit or a tank it should require teamwork to take them down? Why does it require TWO people to kill ONE person in a tank? Why do people think heavies need to be buffed to the point of requiring teamwork to kill? There damn good now and after 1.8 drops the gallente heavy especially is going to be ridiculous! (because of how both the CR and RR armor damage bonus will be negated by the GHeavies racial bonus). You see, everyone goes and says "tanks aren't OP you just need teamwork to kill them" And what everyone doesn't realize is, that statement in itself is an oxymoron. One person in one tank, requires teamwork to be killed. That's an imbalance. Hell, most of the time it requires two people to kill a heavy suit. ESPECIALLY if that heavy suit is proto with 1000 armor. I mean, after 1.8 drops not even RE's will be able to kill heavies in one blast!!! RE's cant even reliably kill tanks this build either. And this build a proto heavy will still survive at least the first blast from an RE. I mean COME ON GUYS!!!!! Really I don't care. Ill do just fine because lol 36M SP. But for the newer guys? tsk tsk...... I hope you guys are okay with getting rolled over by heavies (I hope tanks get nerfed or booted out of ambush at least though). Meh, whatever! I just wanted to say that! take a heavy give him a HMG and drop him 40m from any racial rifle user and you will see how "OP" a heavy is... take a heavy give him a Rail Rifle and drop him 40m from any racial rifle user and you will see how "OP" a heavy is...
BOOM! I like you 
Marston VC, STB Director
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Marston VC
SVER True Blood
General Tso's Alliance
1575
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Posted - 2014.03.03 20:07:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Marston VC wrote:Vitharr Foebane wrote:Marston VC wrote:Why do so many people feel so inclined to believe that just because there in a heavy suit or a tank it should require teamwork to take them down? Why does it require TWO people to kill ONE person in a tank? Why do people think heavies need to be buffed to the point of requiring teamwork to kill? There damn good now and after 1.8 drops the gallente heavy especially is going to be ridiculous! (because of how both the CR and RR armor damage bonus will be negated by the GHeavies racial bonus). You see, everyone goes and says "tanks aren't OP you just need teamwork to kill them" And what everyone doesn't realize is, that statement in itself is an oxymoron. One person in one tank, requires teamwork to be killed. That's an imbalance. Hell, most of the time it requires two people to kill a heavy suit. ESPECIALLY if that heavy suit is proto with 1000 armor. I mean, after 1.8 drops not even RE's will be able to kill heavies in one blast!!! RE's cant even reliably kill tanks this build either. And this build a proto heavy will still survive at least the first blast from an RE. I mean COME ON GUYS!!!!! Really I don't care. Ill do just fine because lol 36M SP. But for the newer guys? tsk tsk...... I hope you guys are okay with getting rolled over by heavies (I hope tanks get nerfed or booted out of ambush at least though). Meh, whatever! I just wanted to say that! take a heavy give him a HMG and drop him 40m from any racial rifle user and you will see how "OP" a heavy is... Take a heavy, drop him in an LAV and see how little 40m means to him........ Heavy is smart and uses a LAV to get about = OP playstyle lolno As for tanks you can solo them, you can even 1 shot them aswell
If you have a breach forge gun and hit a sica in the back you can 1 shot it, woooooooo a proto AV weapon can barely 1 shot a MILITIA vehicle.......
Marston VC, STB Director
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Marston VC
SVER True Blood
General Tso's Alliance
1575
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Posted - 2014.03.03 20:13:00 -
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Rusty Shallows wrote:Galthur wrote:take a heavy give him a Rail Rifle and drop him 40m from any racial rifle user and you will see how "OP" a heavy is... That statement says more about your Rail Rifle than it does about Heavy Frames.
Your missing the point, the problem with the heavy is not in what it carries, its in the massive pool of EHP it has. I mean, yes the weapon does matter, sure, but realistically, whats to stop a heavy from using any other medium range gun? An SR? An AR? The problem isn't that those guns can hit at range, its that because a heavy suit typically has twice as much health as a medium suit tier for tier.
And in my opinion, the difference in mobility isn't compensation enough. But idk what they could do to fix either of the problems with heavies. They cant make them slower as they're already pretty damn slow. They cant make medium suits faster either because then they would have to boost scout speed and CCP has already said they cant boost the scout speed anymore then it is already.
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Marston VC
SVER True Blood
General Tso's Alliance
1579
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Posted - 2014.03.04 01:40:00 -
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Operative 1171 Aajli wrote:Why should tanks even be killed by infantry is the real question and the problem with any solution coming from Tankophobes.
The blaster is the only real problem for infantry. If the tank can be scared off and/or the blaster be made less effective against infantry then your problem is solved.
Usually, in my missile shield tank one SL guy does scare me off. If he's up top somewhere I really can't get him and I can't hang around with him continuing to shoot at me.
Because maybe tanks shouldn't be able to one sidedly slaughter infantry? oh wait...... they already do. Even the rail tanks are decent at killing infantry if their aim is good. If an infantry man wants to kill a tank, without spending two months speccing into a tank himself (which would drastically alter is SP progression) his only other alternative is AV.
Now, you tell me, why is a standard tank able to consistently beat proto AV? Why? You know, in real life infantry were a CONSTANT threat to tanks no matter how powerful. Just because a german soldier killing a Sherman tank in WW2 using a Panzerschreck isn't as cool as another tank doing the job, DOES NOT mean that weapon was any less effective at getting the job done. Hell man, Russians were able to kill german tanks by throwing Molotov's at their engines.
So why you think infantry shouldn't be able to kill tanks is beyond me. And don't give me "its because of the investment" BS.
A militia tank will cost 70-90k isk per fit with ZERO SP investment. A standard tank with proto modules will cost about 400k isk a fit. (only twice my proto suit), with about an equivalent SP expenditure. But I guarantee you, that 70k isk militia tank, assuming theres a competent pilot in it, will out perform my proto suit more often then not. And the standard tank? Well, the only way hes going to die is if he runs into another tank at that point.
Marston VC, STB Director
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