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FLAY LOCKED Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 40	Posted - 2014.03.03 13:37:00 - [1] - Quote CCP, are there any plans to remove Basic frames from this game? As of now, there really is no point in keeping them around. They do not acquire any suit bonuses and their prices are a bit out of place when compared to their role specific counterparts. The only benefit I see would be that of their aesthetic appeal, but aside from being black and cool, they're usless: except for the Amarr Heavy Basic. I feel they should be removed entirely, or offer a different slot layout as in the case of the original Type 1 and 2 frames from before. What do you all think?
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 1869	Posted - 2014.03.03 13:51:00 - [2] - Quote Amarr Heavy is going to be the new Amarr Sentinel. So even it's losing its utility. Basically they're a 350k SP sink before you can get to actual useful suits. Really, though, what kind of variant layouts could we have that wouldn't interfere with other race's territory? I suppose we could have skirmishing Gal suits with higher shields and speed + lower armour, like a direct comparison to the Caldari suits, sort of thing? Forge on for great justice! Defend the meek! Destroy the weak! Q-sync breaches into the rectum of everyone else!
Akdhar Saif Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative 373	Posted - 2014.03.03 14:16:00 - [3] - Quote They are quite cheap. I use the cheapest basic to fit some R.E.s or Droplinks for suicide missions where I know I won't survive that long.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 4743	Posted - 2014.03.03 14:23:00 - [4] - Quote Akdhar Saif wrote: They are quite cheap. I use the cheapest basic to fit some R.E.s or Droplinks for suicide missions where I know I won't survive that long. They're actually more expensive than the T2 suits, which needs to change. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 4 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1797	Posted - 2014.03.03 15:03:00 - [5] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Akdhar Saif wrote: They are quite cheap. I use the cheapest basic to fit some R.E.s or Droplinks for suicide missions where I know I won't survive that long. They're actually more expensive than the T2 suits, which needs to change. IMHO, they need to be 1/10 the cost (if not 1/100 the cost) of the focused suits of the same tier. If they're the "T1 suits", their prices should reflect that. @OP I disagree with their removal, they simply need a price adjustment. Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Closed Beta Bittervet Bomber
The Headless Horseman Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 35	Posted - 2014.03.03 15:18:00 - [6] - Quote FLAY LOCKED wrote: CCP, are there any plans to remove Basic frames from this game? As of now, there really is no point in keeping them around. They do not acquire any suit bonuses and their prices are a bit out of place when compared to their role specific counterparts. The only benefit I see would be that of their aesthetic appeal, but aside from being black and cool, they're usless: except for the Amarr Heavy Basic. I feel they should be removed entirely, or offer a different slot layout as in the case of the original Type 1 and 2 frames from before. What do you all think? I've been using them for over a year. How else would you fit 2 complex damage mods on a heavy? They probably will no longer be needed in 1.8
Mikey The Bandaid D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 188	Posted - 2014.03.03 15:28:00 - [7] - Quote What if the proto assault basic frame had like 2 equipment slots or something crazy like that. Keep the basic suits without bonuses but add a perk that you wouldn't see on a racial suit to make it more appealing and useful.
JP Acuna Pendejitos Canis Eliminatus Operatives 83	Posted - 2014.03.03 15:30:00 - [8] - Quote Until now, at least the basic heavy and medium frame work very similarly to the Sentinel and Assault suits. They're shortcuts. Since they're a lot easier to skill up, it's fair that they cost more ISK than a suit that took way more SP to unlock. The problem is that when you take one to lvl5 to try a suit, you're probably not going to spend more SP into the specific role because all the SP spent in level 4 and 5 of basic suits would be a huge waste. It becomes useless. I'd suggest: 1.-A slightly different slot layout for them and no bonuses. 2.-Or instead, little bonuses to all suits of the same frame, something like CPU/PG usage of certain things, reduce armor speed penalties, shield delay penalties, etc... 3.-both. That way there would be an atractive to them more than their gorgeousness.
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1844	Posted - 2014.03.03 15:38:00 - [9] - Quote JP Acuna wrote: Until now, at least the basic heavy and medium frame work very similarly to the Sentinel and Assault suits. They're shortcuts. Since they're a lot easier to skill up, it's fair that they cost more ISK than a suit that took way more SP to unlock. The problem is that when you take one to lvl5 to try a suit, you're probably not going to spend more SP into the specific role because all the SP spent in level 4 and 5 of basic suits would be a huge waste. It becomes useless. I'd suggest: 1.-A slightly different slot layout for them and no bonuses. 2.-Or instead, little bonuses to all suits of the same frame, something like CPU/PG usage of certain things, reduce armor speed penalties, shield delay penalties, etc... 3.-both. That way there would be an atractive to them more than their gorgeousness. I'd rather it work like T2 ships in EVE. Have the first bonus of, say, the Gallente Logi suit be tied to your skill in the Gallente Medium Frame. Then have the second bonus be tied to your skill level in Gallente Logistics. To have the maximum bonus for both skills, you need L5 in both skills. More of an SP sink? Sure. But we could reduce the multiplier on advanced suits a bit to make up for it. Then the skill is never wasted, even if the suits themselves become redundant. I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - *draconian forum overlord* CCP Logibro]
Goric Rumis Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 364	Posted - 2014.03.03 15:41:00 - [10] - Quote From my perspective, the specialized suits should have their bonuses balanced by a loss in flexibility. For example, a specialized suit gives up a high slot in exchange for a damage boost. The boost you get from the specialized suit would be equal to or greater than the boost from using a module, without the added expense and without stacking penalties. This is a very simplistic example, obviously, but you get the idea: a specialized suit gets improved performance in a specific role for reduced flexibility overall. In the case of Sentinels, more than anything they need the ability to stand and deliver. Increased resistances in exchange for CPU/PG, for example, or improved eHP at the cost of stamina (or even removing the ability to sprint at all). Having distinct advantages and disadvantages makes the game more interesting. It requires you to choose carefully and use different items in different ways. The Tank Balancing Factor No One Is Discussing

Crimson ShieId Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 173	Posted - 2014.03.03 15:47:00 - [11] - Quote Their existence stems from the fact that some people don't want to sink nearly 3 million SP into a single suit yet still want to occasionally enjoy proto level suits. And then there's the specialized suits with the useless bonuses. Though, thinking about it... it's probably just CCP's way of trying to make it seem like you've got more options. Sometimes I miss never seeing tanks in a battle... then I remember the mystical flying soma, and I can't help but smile.
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 2282	Posted - 2014.03.03 15:48:00 - [12] - Quote The basic frames are way too expensive compared to specialised suits. It should be the other way around cause its just logical that better gear costs more. Its like comparing the costs between a duvolle and a lvl1 AR. I shall show you a world, a world which you cant imagine, a world full off butthurt n00bs at the other end of my gun
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 2938	Posted - 2014.03.03 15:56:00 - [13] - Quote There wastalk of adding bonuses to the Basic Frames. I GÖú Kittens.
JP Acuna Pendejitos Canis Eliminatus Operatives 83	Posted - 2014.03.03 16:08:00 - [14] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: The basic frames are way too expensive compared to specialised suits. It should be the other way around cause its just logical that better gear costs more. Its like comparing the costs between a duvolle and a lvl1 AR. At the moment the bonuses are not that great for all specialized suits. For me it's logical that basics cost more, since they are easier to unlock. SP is more valuable than ISK


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