seriously? when will people realise that redlining is easy to combat. most of the the redliners hiding spots are obvious and overused. and if one camps in a spot for too long, they will get spotted and counter-sniped 99% of the time (especially if they are camping in an overused spot).

sniper rifles dont need fixed because redlining is an almost ineffective strategy to begin with. and since when do players even know where snipers are half the time anyways? if you found a redliner, just teach the scrub a lesson and counter-snipe them. but im sure that alot of players are getting sniped by a sniper who knows what they are doing and arent in the redline, yet when they get killed by him/her they are screaming redline.


so unless you have located the sniper, dont call them a redliner. and if you have spotted them on the redline, its your own fault you didnt take them out.

seriously? when will people realise that redlining is easy to combat. most of the the redliners hiding spots are obvious and overused. and if one camps in a spot for too long, they will get spotted and counter-sniped 99% of the time (especially if they are camping in an overused spot).

sniper rifles dont need fixed because redlining is an almost ineffective strategy to begin with. and since when do players even know where snipers are half the time anyways? if you found a redliner, just teach the scrub a lesson and counter-snipe them. but im sure that alot of players are getting sniped by a sniper who knows what they are doing and arent in the redline, yet when they get killed by him/her they are screaming redline.


so unless you have located the sniper, dont call them a redliner. and if you have spotted them on the redline, its your own fault you didnt take them out.

Actually, the current sniper is a placeholder for the racial snipers they're planning. The caldari sniper will be the charge variant and I believe the Tac sniper will be similar to the Minmatar Precision rifle.

I understand your frustration but as I said, this isn't intended to be a redline fix, which is why I pointed out, this isn't going to fix a balance issue that isn't actually the weapon's fault.

Pleas stay on topic.

then what is this for? just to change things?? if it aint broke, dont try to fix it

Leave the sniper rifles alone.

Correction, there is only one, and if it's not changed, it might remain the only one for a long time, and when other long-range rifles come out, it will be the best one there is unless the others are OP in someway.

False. At proto level, there's 3. Kaalakiota Tactical, Ishukone, and Charge. And that's not including the Thale's officer variant.

It's not broken, it just doesn't fit. My issue with the SR is that it's so generic it doesn't matter who you say built it I wouldn't care cause it carries non of the traits any of the racial weapons have. Many people also feel it's a crutch weapon carrying too many unfair advantages, while it only has two disadvantages (Small clip size and low rate of fire.), if the the SR were to have a more distinct weapon behavior that players would have to learn and master, it would leave space for other long-range rifles.

The current Sniper Rifle leaves no room for other rifles, leaving weapons like the Laser Rifle and any other future long-range rifles as unnecessary gimmicks, and if the SR were given more personality it could be balanced more easily without simple answers like taking/giving more base damage, while allowing more variants for the SR which only has basic, TAC, and Charge. Look at the Laser Rifle, does a static damage across all tiers, with heat-production, heat-threshold, overheat-damage, heat-cooldown, overheat-cooldown, and does more damage as it heats up, just changing one of these stats could easily fix anything wrong with it's performance without making another weapon obsolete or less viable.

Weapon personality breeds diversity for playstles and fitting while opening the way for more weapons later down the road.

The fact that the Charge can be held and even canceled makes it quite simple but time consuming. When you're at your perch you can begin the charge and then simply release on queue. I will admit that the projectile speed on the SRs is a bit too high and so players that love to snipe on other games will find themselves missing a lot due to them trying to lead there shots.

The tac SR is commonly used due to it's ability to land two consecutive rounds on a target before they are able to register that they've been hit. Vs a mid or light frame this means an instant kill.

it carries all the traits of the caldari weaponry but one: the charge (not counting the charge sniper rifle variant). it has the longest range in the game, anda fire mode thats slow but high damage like a breach gun. and if charge was added to the sniper rifle, what would make the charge sniper rifle stand out from the rest???


seriously, sniper rifles are hard enough to use. charge would make it almsot impossible to use. thats y the charge sniper rifle is so rarely used.

it carries all the traits of the caldari weaponry but one: the charge (not counting the charge sniper rifle variant). it has the longest range in the game, anda fire mode thats slow but high damage like a breach gun. and if charge was added to the sniper rifle, what would make the charge sniper rifle stand out from the rest???


seriously, sniper rifles are hard enough to use. charge would make it almsot impossible to use. thats y the charge sniper rifle is so rarely used.

Yes, Snipers are harder to use when compared to most weapons, but in Dust it's far too easy to use because of the insane advantages it provides compared to every other gun, no damage fall-off, long range scope, huge damage without head-shots, little to no sway, all these points make the need for other rifles trivial and pointless. To make things worse it completely overshadows it's only relative, the Laser Rifle, even after the LR buff coming with 1.8, it will still be a second rate rifle and only by default since it's the only other sniper rifle.

As I've said, if the SR remains the same than we shouldn't expect to see any new Sniper Rifles for awhile as the current one leaves no room for any innovation or creativity.

I can sympathize with you want to keep things faction flavored, as is the case most of the time, so do I. However you also have to understand that Sniper Rifles are kind of a one trick pony, Yes they have obese damage and yes they have extreme range but lets look at the drawbacks a moment. You HAVE to maintain a decent distance for your shots, the sound of a sniper firing is liking shining a homing beacon onto that location. About 50% of the time to escape the counter-snipe game you can not really stay static unless the opposing team just doesnt care you are racking up kills. That means less time on targets and more time focusing on survival and hunting. Ever try landing a follow up shot on someone who actually knows how to move? And forget about a headshot unless you get lucky or they stupidly stop for half a second (Why I prefaced with KNOWS HOW TO MOVE). Likely Sniping? Well, looks like you will never directly help in the objective taking seeing as you are half way across the map in most cases, so that 45 second opening to hack is irrelevant.

I disagree on nearly every point you have made, except the faction specific rifles bit....I think that would be interesting. Also bare in mind that with 1.8 Damage mods are nerfed and proficiency's are being reworked to target specific area's...i.e shields or armor. Personally I am not a fan, but we will see who will stick with the sniping game once insta death shots are gone....I willing to say not many (I will be here....through thick and thin.....SNIPERS LEAD THE WAY! .....from the back )

From your first statement you've either joking or not familiar with Redlining or the Sniper's Nest players make at the top of impossible to reach places, which makes it pretty easy for a Logi to drop a Nhive and Droplink. Hitting someone isn't that hard are when you're target isn't aware of you and your Thale in the redline, and the Dmod nerf isn't that big of a deal for SR since the most effective rifles are the TACs which can drop a heavy faster then he can hit the ground.

Sniping in Dust has nothing to do with "insta death shots", it's about putting as many bullets in someone without having to worry about them fighting back, you want an OHK use the charge, but no one likes the Charge cause it's a little harder to use.