DUST Search - CCP Falcon, other CCPs, and lore gurus: some clone questions

low genius wrote:

Aero Yassavi wrote:

Are our clones personalized to our original DNA or do we use stock clones?
If we use stock clones then why do we have male and female clones?
If the clones are personalized than how do you explain how CRUs work?
How much does a clone cost?
They seem to cost a lot when looking at how much they sell for in PC, but how come we don't pay for that in other battles?
Are the costs of our clone covered in the overall expense of our dropsuits and fittings?
If not, than who is paying for our clones?
Are the corps that hire us paying for them? Like Roden Shipyards, Blood Raiders, Quafe, Imperial Guard, etc?
Or are we paying for them with some hidden expense that is not shown but docked from our contract payout?

And perhaps most importantly
What magical mystical power is allowing a clone to animate itself from a null cannon?

they're not very personalized. there might be some variation between the different races production methods and genetics and whatever, but they're not like capsuleers clones. a merc's clone only lives for 4 days or so and then it needs to reclone.

the cost of clones is kind of in flux right now. hopefully someday they'll be traded on the market and have a real value.

the cost in other battles is covered by the faction that put up the contract hat you're fighting.

no, the dropsuits and fittings are a different cost.

Mail me in game if interested in learning about the Amarr Empire and serving them in Faction Warfare.


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Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7010	Posted - 2014.03.01 05:06:00 - [1] - Quote Are our clones personalized to our original DNA or do we use stock clones? If we use stock clones then why do we have male and female clones? If the clones are personalized than how do you explain how CRUs work? How much does a clone cost? They seem to cost a lot when looking at how much they sell for in PC, but how come we don't pay for that in other battles? Are the costs of our clone covered in the overall expense of our dropsuits and fittings? If not, than who is paying for our clones? Are the corps that hire us paying for them? Like Roden Shipyards, Blood Raiders, Quafe, Imperial Guard, etc? Or are we paying for them with some hidden expense that is not shown but docked from our contract payout? And perhaps most importantly What magical mystical power is allowing a clone to animate itself from a null cannon? Mail me in game if interested in learning about the Amarr Empire and serving them in Faction Warfare. Amarr Victor!
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7016	Posted - 2014.03.01 05:19:00 - [2] - Quote True Adamance wrote: This we must know. Aero and I almost got into a fist fight over the questions. We got into a lot of disagreements today actually. I figure every time we get into a disagreement you should simply concede defeat and conform to my opinion Mail me in game if interested in learning about the Amarr Empire and serving them in Faction Warfare. Amarr Victor!
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7018	Posted - 2014.03.01 05:33:00 - [3] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: "They seem to cost a lot when looking at how much they sell for in PC, but how come we don't pay for that in other battles?" I would guess the employers provide the clones in public and faction contracts, just like they provide the war barge and MCC. Seems kind of weird then that they provide the clones but we provide everything that goes on the clone. Especially say when you consider the Amarr medium dropsuit which needs to be drilled into the spinal chord of the clone in order to operate. And also I'm leaning towards the idea that our clones are personalized opposed to stock clones, which would also seem sort of weird for these employers to be providing us with our personalized clones. Mail me in game if interested in learning about the Amarr Empire and serving them in Faction Warfare. Amarr Victor!
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7018	Posted - 2014.03.01 05:35:00 - [4] - Quote Rodd of Nor wrote: I have often wondered about the cost of clones myself but just assumed that the cost was covered by the cost of your fittings... though now that you mention it the corps and factions paying for the clones could explain the clone cap in the matches I always thought the clone cap was more of a logistical issue, as in that is simply the most clones that the warbarge can carry. And you can argue that in PC you can have higher clone caps, but then I'd counter and say that the warbarges that go around in public contracts are likely planning to hit several districts before coming back to restock so they have to allocate only a portion of their clone reserves to each battle. Mail me in game if interested in learning about the Amarr Empire and serving them in Faction Warfare. Amarr Victor!
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7018	Posted - 2014.03.01 05:39:00 - [5] - Quote Roy Ventus wrote: I can't even guess an answer for the others but I always assumed the Null Cannons had slave-trader based technologies, i.e. the Uplink. Whenever it's being contested it's shut off. Seeing how indestructible the Null Cannons are, I wouldn't find that too far fetch'd. Then why is that not true for the single null cannon in domination matches? I'll be honest here, the first bunch of questions are all sincere questions regarding lore but that last question was more of a play on the fact that I dislike the spawn-on-point mechanic in skirmish and believe you should rely on CRUs and uplinks like in Domination. Mail me in game if interested in learning about the Amarr Empire and serving them in Faction Warfare. Amarr Victor!
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7021	Posted - 2014.03.01 05:43:00 - [6] - Quote Skihids wrote: They are all stock clones. How could they be anything else when you can clone jump anywhere in the galaxy? Think about it. The game ignores clone cost in all but PC because it would bankrupt players otherwise. Yes, your fitting is free, but you owe 180K for each of those 12 clones you lost his match, Mr Newberry. I figure with how advanced the societies have become in New Eden it wouldn't be that complicated to store your complete DNA sequence on some sort of database which can be accessed from any of the battle locations in New Eden. Mail me in game if interested in learning about the Amarr Empire and serving them in Faction Warfare. Amarr Victor!
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7022	Posted - 2014.03.01 05:54:00 - [7] - Quote Skihids wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Skihids wrote: They are all stock clones. How could they be anything else when you can clone jump anywhere in the galaxy? Think about it. The game ignores clone cost in all but PC because it would bankrupt players otherwise. Yes, your fitting is free, but you owe 180K for each of those 12 clones you lost his match, Mr Newberry. I figure with how advanced the societies have become in New Eden it wouldn't be that complicated to store your complete DNA sequence on some sort of database which can be accessed from any of the battle locations in New Eden. True, but it takes days to grow a clone while you decide where to fight within a minute of battle. When is all this custom clone growing supposed to take place? Perhaps that although OOC we don't know who we are fighting for until a moments notice, IC we knew we were going to take up that contracts several days in advance? Mail me in game if interested in learning about the Amarr Empire and serving them in Faction Warfare. Amarr Victor!
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7022	Posted - 2014.03.01 05:59:00 - [8] - Quote low genius wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Are our clones personalized to our original DNA or do we use stock clones? If we use stock clones then why do we have male and female clones? If the clones are personalized than how do you explain how CRUs work? How much does a clone cost? They seem to cost a lot when looking at how much they sell for in PC, but how come we don't pay for that in other battles? Are the costs of our clone covered in the overall expense of our dropsuits and fittings? If not, than who is paying for our clones? Are the corps that hire us paying for them? Like Roden Shipyards, Blood Raiders, Quafe, Imperial Guard, etc? Or are we paying for them with some hidden expense that is not shown but docked from our contract payout? And perhaps most importantly What magical mystical power is allowing a clone to animate itself from a null cannon? they're not very personalized. there might be some variation between the different races production methods and genetics and whatever, but they're not like capsuleers clones. a merc's clone only lives for 4 days or so and then it needs to reclone. the cost of clones is kind of in flux right now. hopefully someday they'll be traded on the market and have a real value. the cost in other battles is covered by the faction that put up the contract hat you're fighting. no, the dropsuits and fittings are a different cost. So what about the magical null cannon? Mail me in game if interested in learning about the Amarr Empire and serving them in Faction Warfare. Amarr Victor!
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7022	Posted - 2014.03.01 06:10:00 - [9] - Quote Skihids wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Skihids wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Skihids wrote: They are all stock clones. How could they be anything else when you can clone jump anywhere in the galaxy? Think about it. The game ignores clone cost in all but PC because it would bankrupt players otherwise. Yes, your fitting is free, but you owe 180K for each of those 12 clones you lost his match, Mr Newberry. I figure with how advanced the societies have become in New Eden it wouldn't be that complicated to store your complete DNA sequence on some sort of database which can be accessed from any of the battle locations in New Eden. True, but it takes days to grow a clone while you decide where to fight within a minute of battle. When is all this custom clone growing supposed to take place? Perhaps that although OOC we don't know who we are fighting for until a moments notice, IC we knew we were going to take up that contracts several days in advance? So we spend a ** ton more ISK growing a bunch of custom clones that might not ever get used, and last mere seconds or minutes when they do? Who says it's necessarily a ** ton more to grow custom clones over stock clones? Sure its definitely more expensive, but by how much? Wouldn't it be something that we would gladly invest in to retain a sense of identity? And any unused clones we can simply ship back to where ever we store the rest of our assets? Mail me in game if interested in learning about the Amarr Empire and serving them in Faction Warfare. Amarr Victor!
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7022	Posted - 2014.03.01 06:19:00 - [10] - Quote The only problem I have with stock clones is that it becomes too easy to lose your identity and have no one able to tell the difference between you and the next guy aside from what you say and what you do. If that were the case, then you'd need to create a visual identity with what you wear, meaning personalized dropsuits meaning the promised paint shop. Mail me in game if interested in learning about the Amarr Empire and serving them in Faction Warfare. Amarr Victor!